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  • RiderOnTheStorm
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 11

    #1

    Federal Reserve agents

  • Michael Joseph
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 1596

    #2
    To fulfill the law in love we make a DEMAND FOR LAWFUL MONEY - it is the Trustee by and thru his/her/its Agent [Agent for Trustee] that does the Redemption. But on my side of the Teller - I can only make a Demand for lawful money.

    A century back gold certificates were issued. See that a Certificate is sort of like a Beneficial Interest. The Certificate was EVIDENCE of Interest. So the BEARER [Unnamed Beneficiary] would present the Certificate to a Trustee and the Trustee would tender the gold being held in Trust. If you stop and think you will see the same operation today in Trust Law. Therefore the Trustee is holding the Property in Trust and the Usufruct is granted to the third party beneficiary.

    IN my opinion to say that I redeemed the money is a tort. I can only demand that the money be redeemed per 12USC411. Whether or not that occurs is not up to me.

    It is long been established well into antiquity that Agent binds Principal.

    shalom,
    mj
    Last edited by Michael Joseph; 06-07-13, 05:25 PM.
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    • RiderOnTheStorm
      Junior Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 11

      #3
      How can you make a demand if you're not a federal reserve agent?

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      • Anthony Joseph

        #4
        Originally posted by RiderOnTheStorm View Post
        How can you make a demand if you're not a federal reserve agent?
        Why are they in your pocket in you're not a federal reserve agent?

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        • Michael Joseph
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 1596

          #5
          Sort of a double edged sword - huh? But since they are that might mean one is a "Member Bank" - or in banking practices. And that is a benefit. So in mutual exchange - a benefit must have consideration - one might consider that consideration to be a tax or perhaps even a use fee. FEE being the qualification.

          But since FRN's are a DUAL purpose note, I can hold a FRN in substance but its NATURE is a USN in redemption - I only have to make a demand - what happens is not my concern. This all is covered quite nicely here - CLICK ME

          and CLICK ME TOO
          Last edited by Michael Joseph; 06-07-13, 07:41 PM.
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          • ManOntheLand

            #6
            Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
            Sort of a double edged sword - huh? But since they are that might mean one is a "Member Bank" - or in banking practices. And that is a benefit. So in mutual exchange - a benefit must have consideration - one might consider that consideration to be a tax or perhaps even a use fee. FEE being the qualification.

            But since FRN's are a DUAL purpose note, I can hold a FRN in substance but its NATURE is a USN in redemption - I only have to make a demand - what happens is not my concern.
            Very well put, MJ!

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            • David Merrill
              Administrator
              • Mar 2011
              • 5950

              #7
              If you endorse the Fed you behave like an agent.
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              • John Howard
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2012
                • 118

                #8
                They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand... I demand, therefore, I redeem.
                Blessed is he who keeps from stumbling over me.

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                • Michael Joseph
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 1596

                  #9
                  Originally posted by John Howard View Post
                  They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand... I demand, therefore, I redeem.
                  Well certainly you are the moving force bringing the demand but you don't have the capacity to redeem only the trustee can perform the operation. Your are entitled to that benefit but you must first claim it. Therefore, I appreciate your comment but to say I demand and I redeem is not in my opinion correct. Absent a demand [claim] there cannot be a redemption. But with a demand [claim] there can be a redemption. But the Trustee - OFFICER - carries out the redemption.

                  Let me frame it like this. Years back you might hold a silver certificate that said pay to the bearer face value silver - or something to that effect. Now you would be holding a certificate but the Trustee holds the silver. You make a demand as Bearer for the silver UPON PRESENTMENT of the Certificate of Beneficial Interest = The silver certificatate; however, the Trustee must make the livery of the silver to you - UPON your exchange of the certificate and demand for the silver.

                  Or, you might just exchange the silver certificate in the market for other goods and services of equal face value. What did it take for you to get the silver from the Trustee holding the silver? - A demand upon the presentment that Bearer holds.
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                  • Anthony Joseph

                    #10
                    Originally posted by John Howard View Post
                    They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand... I demand, therefore, I redeem.
                    Only in essence; more like, "I demand, therefore the trustee should redeem."

                    Whether it happens or not, it is not your liability or concern; your only requirement is to make the demand when operating in the public realm in order to show that:

                    1) You desire to assign your converted energy to the United States "public pot" rather than in the hands of foreign banking interests.
                    2) You desire to be upon proper balances, and just weights and measures, rather than the elastic false balances of the Federal Reserve currency and credit.

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                    • RiderOnTheStorm
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 11

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
                      Sort of a double edged sword - huh? But since they are that might mean one is a "Member Bank" - or in banking practices. And that is a benefit. So in mutual exchange - a benefit must have consideration - one might consider that consideration to be a tax or perhaps even a use fee. FEE being the qualification.

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                      • Michael Joseph
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 1596

                        #12
                        Are you familiar with the term CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST? Its TRUSTEE would be a Trustee de son Tort. But one subject to liabilities is also at once also subject to the benefit.

                        Then if you REALLY want to know the truth, you want to know the root of the tree and how raging waves [false ones] usurpers took an axe to the tree in attempt to cut it down - read the Scriptures. Scratch that, STUDY the Scriptures. And then, the clouds will part and the binds will be as burnt flax. I really don't care about what some clown has to say in some website - I comprehend the nature of Trust - Obligation - Liability - and Benefit. It is really simple.

                        My right to demand is my right in the USUFRUCT because of the dejure survey - which some men despise to their shame. Law of Necessity you know - it cuts both ways - that sword.

                        Gen 1:1 Original Earth
                        *In the beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned, and) created the Heavens and the earth. (Perfect, complete and to be Inhabited).

                        Now then once you get your mind wrapped around CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST and Trustee de son Tort, then you might consider UNDERTAKING. If you promise me something, I am going to hold you to it. You agree to be trustee and I have an equitable right to receive the blessing of your promise to me. I may not have asked for your promise- you might have given it to me in ignorance or in good faith, it does not matter - if you promise, then you have a duty to keep your word to me. Therefore, since God cannot lie, if you lie to me that is a crime against nature and God and me. I refer back to original survey.

                        The reverence of Yehovah is the BEGINNING of knowledge.

                        Shalom,
                        mj
                        Last edited by Michael Joseph; 06-08-13, 04:46 PM.
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                        • Anthony Joseph

                          #13
                          Precisely.

                          Are you making a claim? If so, for or against what? Did you issue or create what you are claiming for or against? Do you have the resources and military might to defend it on your own?

                          Either way, you are torting the system since ALL gold, silver, title and property have been seized by the occupying military government of the United States by the extant and ongoing executive order(s) of the POTUS. "Ownership" is now qualified in that it is only a privilege from the State; the privilege being if you choose to trespass and make adverse claims of "ownership" amidst the emergency bankruptcy war of commerce being waged, you will be accommodated by being held liable and responsible for the claims you make. This is UNDERTAKING as Michael Joseph has clearly described.

                          The contract regarding FRNs has been opened to the general public and they have been distributed among the populace since 1933. The evidence of that is 99.99% of the people are trading and "profiting" by the use of FRNs. The law of necessity supercedes man's law; we still need to eat, drink and obtain the necessities of life in this day and age where these necessities are mostly gained by trading with the paper baring the seal of the Federal Reserve. However, there is another seal on the right side of the note (1789) which signifies the dual capacity of that paper; there is a choice for those who are compelled to use that paper in the public realm to demand lawful money of the United States. This choice MUST be offered else there is forced servitude via the compelled use of another's debt.

                          This demand is executed in love for our fellow man in that we choose to deal in proper balances and just weights and measures, easing the burden on our brothers and sisters. We choose NOT to order up more debt by signature endorsing (the overwhelming convention) the elastic nature of the false balance system of the Federal Reserve (FED) foreign banking interests. This conventional act of "voluntary compliance" places a first lien on ALL the assets of the United States public trust by the FED. If the demand for lawful money is rightly heard and acted upon, the trustee will diminish the National Debt by the amount we choose to "non-endorse" and keep the converted energy in the U.S "public pot" rather than in the hands of foreign profiteers. That, however, is up to the trustee(s) of the public trust since they are the ones who swore an oath to protect and serve it in honor.

                          In my opinion, an assignment (acknowledgement of what is already true) of ALL
                          Last edited by Guest; 06-08-13, 11:52 PM.

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                          • Chex
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 1032

                            #14
                            ROTS: How about you tell me what they are doing in your pocket.
                            mj: - I comprehend the nature of Trust - Obligation - Liability - and Benefit. It is really simple. If you promise me something, I am going to hold you to it. You agree to be trustee and I have an equitable right to receive the blessing of your promise to me. I may not have asked for your promise- you might have given it to me in ignorance or in good faith, it does not matter - if you promise, then you have a duty to keep your word to me.

                            AJ: The contract regarding FRNs has been opened to the general public and they have been distributed among the populace since 1933. The evidence of that is 99.99% of the people are trading and "profiting" by the use of FRNs. trading with the paper baring the seal of the Federal Reserve...... However, there is another seal on the right side of the note (1789) which signifies the dual capacity of that paper; This conventional act of "voluntary compliance" places a first lien on ALL the assets of the United States public trust by the FED. This "assignment" means the United States not only profits and gains from each instance of use, but also incurs ALL liability as well.

                            DM: If you want to promote other doctrines I believe it to be failures. Congress has already established the law and the courts support that law.

                            Jesus: John 18:20
                            "And if I could I surely would Stand on the rock that Moses stood"

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                            • Michael Joseph
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 1596

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Chex View Post
                              mj: - I comprehend the nature of Trust - Obligation - Liability - and Benefit. It is really simple. If you promise me something, I am going to hold you to it. You agree to be trustee and I have an equitable right to receive the blessing of your promise to me. I may not have asked for your promise- you might have given it to me in ignorance or in good faith, it does not matter - if you promise, then you have a duty to keep your word to me.

                              AJ: The contract regarding FRNs has been opened to the general public and they have been distributed among the populace since 1933. The evidence of that is 99.99% of the people are trading and "profiting" by the use of FRNs. trading with the paper baring the seal of the Federal Reserve...... However, there is another seal on the right side of the note (1789) which signifies the dual capacity of that paper; This conventional act of "voluntary compliance" places a first lien on ALL the assets of the United States public trust by the FED. This "assignment" means the United States not only profits and gains from each instance of use, but also incurs ALL liability as well.

                              DM: If you want to promote other doctrines I believe it to be failures. Congress has already established the law and the courts support that law.

                              Jesus: John 18:20

                              While Yehoshuah spoke so that everyone might hear, He, Yehoshuah spoke in Parables so that those who were Pure of Heart might hear and those who were wise in the world would not hear. So then, while Yehoshuah spoke in Public he spoke too in Parables or a hidden language. So did Paul, so did Jude, so did Peter and so did Enoch and so did Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...etc.

                              He spoke in Parables so that carnal men only looking to fulfill the lusts of their flesh might not hear but that the Royal Spiritual meaning might be known to those that are not mired down in the ways of this world.

                              The higher law is simple do unto others as you would have done to yourself. Therefore lie not and keep your word. The Law is not made for a righteous man the law is made for one who will not keep his word. I don't need a Congress of other men to inform me how to live but, if I choose to live UNDER the shadow of that ASSEMBLY then I must abide by its laws. Pretty simple. The choice is Voluntary - it always has been.

                              Mar_4:2 And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,

                              Mar_4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

                              Luk_8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.


                              The comprehension is not for the carnal mind. Therefore shall I bow my knee in Trust to Yehoshuah and submit to making Him my King. Who is this King of Glory? Yehovah Sabbatoth. I speak NOT to the flesh as I am not interested in making Jesus my King, I am interested in making Christ my King.

                              Understand the huge difference between these seemingly insignificant terms "within" and "without". Do you suppose a China man to make a use of 12USC411? Why would he? He is without the trust? Are you a China man? The adjective China is a chain around your "temples" head [mind] - or are you simply a "living soul"? You did quote the Scripture did you not?

                              Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed [as a potter] man [Adam] of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath that is life; and man became a living soul.



                              Are you a man - who sees only Jesus - the flesh. Or are you a living soul that sees both the carnal [Jesus-the man] and the Spiritual Royal [Christ of God]? A man is a flesh being - but Christ is of God. A man cannot see or understand the Parables but the Living Soul can because the Living Soul is alive in Christ. You did quote the Scriptures didn't you.

                              My trust in Yehoshuah sets me free. A choice. Until my brothers and sisters [spiritually speaking] awaken from their deep slumber and we leave from competition and move into cooperation, Notes are a necessity - and seeing I cannot break the Royal Law - I must provide for my family - I claim the Law of Necessity. However, I do not wish to trespass my neighbor or my brother/sister; as such, if I am made a Constructive Trustee, by my action in necessity, it is because I am fulfilling a higher law. As such, I will return the issue to Ceasar in accord with 12USC95a(2) - which is in accord with 12USC411. But the carnal mind says - its all mine and nobody is gonna take anything from me - this is an ignorant position - please let me know when you find your name on the Notes. Let me know when you decide to settle your own estate in Trust - declaring the money for that state.

                              The mere USE of Notes confers a benefit to the Bearer.

                              Shalom,
                              MJ
                              Last edited by Michael Joseph; 06-09-13, 05:36 PM.
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