Police teach tactics for handling 'sovereign citizens

[tommyf350]

Sovereigns assert that the U.S. Treasury has set up a secret money account for every American, which can be reclaimed through a bizarre set of legal filings known as redemption.

[JohnnyCash]

The original hit piece appeared here on April 5th: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr...eigns-20130406

No, I do not believe "the U.S. Treasury has set up a secret money account for every American, which can be reclaimed through a bizarre set of legal filings known as redemption." While a traffic stop can be frustrating, threatening or acting out violence to officer is no solution. Don't act like a wackadooster. Most cops just respond as they're trained and have no knowledge of the hidden trust/identity issues at play. Your anger is misdirected at them. But a traffic citation provides a wonderful opportunity to learn your true name and all about these hidden relationships firsthand. I have experienced unusual responses & beat several tickets after applying some of the knowledge I've learned here at STSC about my identity and legal fictions/trusts. I've been found "not responsible" and never paid the fine on another one - it disappeared as if never written. Winner. But as far as scams go, the traffic revenue game is a very good one, in my experience more difficult to beat than the IRS scam.

[Robert Henry]

I'd love to hear more about this, Johnny Cash. I'm currently fighting a traffic ticket, via counter-claim against the citing officer, and I'd love to get some other ideas. I filed a motion to quash at the arraignment, enumerating several points to be answered by the prosecution, which the referee (judge) promptly denied and then entered a plea of not guilty for me, even though I expressly said I was not there to plead and did not consent to him entering one on my behalf. I was under the belief that him denying my motion, without a response to it from the prosecution, was illegal but apparently this happens all the time.

[LearnTheLaw]

I'd love to hear more about this, Johnny Cash. I'm currently fighting a traffic ticket, via counter-claim against the citing officer, and I'd love to get some other ideas. I filed a motion to quash at the arraignment, enumerating several points to be answered by the prosecution, which the referee (judge) promptly denied and then entered a plea of not guilty for me, even though I expressly said I was not there to plead and did not consent to him entering one on my behalf. I was under the belief that him denying my motion, without a response to it from the prosecution, was illegal but apparently this happens all the time.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Due+Process+of+Law

This court has held more than once that a statute creating a presumption which operates to deny a fair opportunity to rebut it violates the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. For example, Bailey v. Alabama, 219 U.S. 219 , 238, et seq., 31 S. Ct. 145; Manley v. Georgia, 279 U.S. 1 , 5-6, 49 S. Ct. 215.

'It is apparent,' this court said in the Bailey Case ( 219 U.S. 239 , 31 S. Ct. 145, 151) 'that a constitutional prohibition cannot be transgressed indirectly by the creation of a statutory presumption any more than it can be violated by direct enactment. The power to create presumptions is not a means of escape from constitutional restrictions.'

[tommyf350]

The original hit piece appeared here on April 5th: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr...eigns-20130406

No, I do not believe "the U.S. Treasury has set up a secret money account for every American, which can be reclaimed through a bizarre set of legal filings known as redemption." While a traffic stop can be frustrating, threatening or acting out violence to officer is no solution. Don't act like a wackadooster. Most cops just respond as they're trained and have no knowledge of the hidden trust/identity issues at play. Your anger is misdirected at them. But a traffic citation provides a wonderful opportunity to learn your true name and all about these hidden relationships firsthand. I have experienced unusual responses & beat several tickets after applying some of the knowledge I've learned here at STSC about my identity and legal fictions/trusts. I've been found "not responsible" and never paid the fine on another one - it disappeared as if never written. Winner. But as far as scams go, the traffic revenue game is a very good one, in my experience more difficult to beat than the IRS scam.

thanks for the original story. also have no worries brother, I am aware of the wackado's. understanding the law absolutely helps ease those emotions .it seemed like they were just going to throw the redemption process in with the sovereign and a4v crowd to make interactions with the state more difficult or seem frivolous all together.

[Gavilan]

The OP is propaganda to discredit those that are fighting to uphold their rights.

Is Driving a privilege? Yes, it is. Why? Because if you drive, you are using the People's Right of Way for your Private Gain. See Commerce.

So, to whom has the responsibility to police all that commerce and traffic in the People's Right of Way assigned? Usually to the Commissioner of Motor Vehicles or the head of Public Safety.

How is it that your car is known to them to be a vehicle used in commerce? Well, the manufacturer defined it as a vehicle and used in commerce by issuing one of these: MSO (Manufacturer's Statement of Origin)

https://app.box.com/s/q3l8fhxrcjurk95y3qxg

https://app.box.com/s/4ks978avurfqn0swfcs5

Why did the manufacturer declare it a vehicle used in commerce?

Because he wanted limited liability and applied for a license to be a vehicle manufacturer, and probably he needed capital to finance his factory.

See the requirement here for California:

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/vehindustry/ol/manufacturer.htm

If you want to know a little more here is an excellent article by Hari Heath:

http://proliberty.com/observer/20010311.htm

The Statist have developed a very intricate web of self incrimination for the common folk, you have to be very careful about your dealings in commerce. They have turned the tables, you are no longer innocent until proven guilty, now you are guilty until proven innocent.

The best way to deal with them is to call them out, MAKE YOUR NOTICES PUBLIC AND CLAIM YOUR RIGHTS!

They will run over you if you are weak and do not stand your ground regarding your rights, you have to be firm and unflinching!

[tommyf350]

I was just trying to look out for the people here ,i was not trying to spread propaganda. I will try to read your links though.