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  • BLBereans
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    • Dec 2014
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    #61

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    • David Merrill
      Administrator
      • Mar 2011
      • 5954

      #62
      The acceptance that the natural state of Man is in unity with God negates all the fear and guilt-mongering. Jesus being seen after allegedly dying on the Cross is plenty of evidence that he was indeed alive and even Him asking for food at the Emmaus conference too.

      I spoke to a blind fellow yesterday. He lives in assisted living and is younger by a decade than the women around him. He defers female companionship because a woman preacher has him convinced he will be raptured soon and really needs to stay clean for Jesus. I was thinking; how sad, this Futurism.
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      • BLBereans
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2014
        • 275

        #63
        Funny how the history of Jesus being seen alive and asking for food after the Crucifixion is accepted as GOSPEL (pun intended) but the idea of Him being resurrected in a Glorified Body, which is also promised to those who trust in Him and accept His Sacrifice for our redemption, is regarded as the doctrine of fear and guilt-mongering.

        Conflating the false doctrine of futurism and "rapture" with the faith of the orthodox saints who followed Jesus' teachings and commands is typical misdirection for those invested in denying Jesus' true nature. The teachings of the modern charismatic, pentecostal, evangelical, et al so-called "christians" who adopt the heresy of futurism created by the Roman Church's Jesuit order is very sad indeed.

        What is sadder is the yoking together of things that are not related.

        The sad truth for some is: God will grant one what one wishes. He is NOT is the business of forced obedience and worship - God is pro-choice.

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        • xparte
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2014
          • 742

          #64

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          • allodial
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 2866

            #65


            Re: Solomon, Sorcery and "Mystical Practices"

            For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. 1 Kings 11:4
            Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother. But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way. Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold. --Deuteronomy 17:17
            If perchance there were any truth to the idea of Solomon having practiced sorcery, such practice was against the Mosaic law, would not be applauded and would likely pertain to his heart having been turned away. Nothing in the OT would give thumbs up to Solomon having been tipped into idolatry.

            For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. --1 Kings 11:5-8
            Ashtoreth being representative of the productive (or passive) principle of life; and Baal being representative of the generative (or active) principle.

            The image which represents the Phoenician Ashtoreth of Paphos, as the sole object of worship in her temple, was an upright block of stone, anointed with oil, and covered with an embroidered cloth.

            Such stones are to be met with all over the Semitic world; especially in Babylonia, in Syria, Palestine and Arabia. Even the Mahommedan sacred stone (kaaba) at Mecca remains an object of reverence.

            The place Beth-el was so called because of its anointed stone. There was another Beth-el in Northern Israel.

            Two columns of stone stood before every Phoenician temple. Those at Tyre are described by Herodotus (ii. 44); and the "pillars of the sun" are mentioned in 2 Chronicles 34:4. Isaiah 17:8, etc.

            Like every form of "religion," it had to do with the "flesh;" and hence, by the law of evolution (which is seen operating only in human affairs) it soon became corrupted. Evolution is seen in the progress of man's works, because he begins from ignorance, and goes on learning by his mistakes and failures. From the moment he ends his works devolution at once sets in and
            deterioration begins. This is specially true in the "religious" sphere. All religions have become corrupt.

            So with the 'Asherah. Originally a tree, symbolical of the "tree of life," it was an object of reverence and veneration. Then came the perversion of the earlier idea which simply honoured the origin of life; and it was corrupted and debased into the organ of procreation, which was symbolized by the form and shape given to the 'Asherah. It was the Phallus image of Isaiah 57:8, and the "image of the male", Ezekiel 16:17. (source)
            Whether or not Solomon dabbled in black magic or sorcery, such practices would find absolutely zero OK in the scriptures. Such would likely stem from his having his heart turned away into into idolatry. Saying "Solomon did it" doesn't make it OK.

            Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3
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            Who would think that someone could actually be convinced into worshiping the penis as the tree of life?

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            "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
            "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
            Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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            • David Merrill
              Administrator
              • Mar 2011
              • 5954

              #66
              Originally posted by BLBereans View Post
              Funny how the history of Jesus being seen alive and asking for food after the Crucifixion is accepted as GOSPEL (pun intended) but the idea of Him being resurrected in a Glorified Body, which is also promised to those who trust in Him and accept His Sacrifice for our redemption, is regarded as the doctrine of fear and guilt-mongering.

              Conflating the false doctrine of futurism and "rapture" with the faith of the orthodox saints who followed Jesus' teachings and commands is typical misdirection for those invested in denying Jesus' true nature. The teachings of the modern charismatic, pentecostal, evangelical, et al so-called "christians" who adopt the heresy of futurism created by the Roman Church's Jesuit order is very sad indeed.

              What is sadder is the yoking together of things that are not related.

              The sad truth for some is: God will grant one what one wishes. He is NOT is the business of forced obedience and worship - God is pro-choice.
              This is the perfect example of projecting your guilt about Original Sin and of course Abraham's incest with Sarah outward. Thank you.


              I recall a TV series that depicted the Book of James being preserved by a tower monastery of a special sect of intellectual priests... The name might come to me and I can probably find that on YouTube. I want to watch it again. I think the episode about James killed the serial though.

              Xparte; you bring back my reading years. I read The Guardians of the Grail by JR CHURCH and Holy Blood, Holy Grail and sure enough The DaVinci Code - I discovered that one hot off the press, so it seemed like a personal message because I had devoured it, even before it was known to be such a hit.




              Originally posted by allodial View Post


              Re: Solomon, Sorcery and "Mystical Practices"





              If perchance there were any truth to the idea of Solomon having practiced sorcery, such practice was against the Mosaic law, would not be applauded and would likely pertain to his heart having been turned away. Nothing in the OT would give thumbs up to Solomon having been tipped into idolatry.





              Whether or not Solomon dabbled in black magic or sorcery, such practices would find absolutely zero OK in the scriptures. Such would likely stem from his having his heart turned away into into idolatry. Saying "Solomon did it" doesn't make it OK.



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              Who would think that someone could actually be convinced into worshiping the penis as the tree of life?

              Related:
              Who was Moloch/Molech?
              And so we relate once again to the Bible.

              Paul's heresy against Israel is plain by his last five years in house prison in Rome, fleeing capital punishment from the Sanhedrin. Christians like to say that Paul was in trouble for teaching Christianity but that is obviously untrue because he answered the question by saying he taught the Noachide Laws to the pagans in Asia Minor. So the Sanhedrin was appeased.

              He was in trouble for treason against Israel, his Roman citizenship papers but more so for perjury. - Paul lied to the Sanhedrin about purchasing the papers at all; to the point he told the Sanhedrin, under oath, that his ship in fact never even docked in Cyprus at all. But you have all heard that...


              Regards,

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              • allodial
                Senior Member
                • May 2011
                • 2866

                #67
                Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
                This is the perfect example of projecting your guilt about Original Sin and of course Abraham's incest with Sarah outward. Thank you.


                [re: original sin (12th century): 12 minute and 21 second mark]


                Where Did the Doctrine of Original Sin Come From?
                I don't suspect BL to be a Roman Catholic. AFAIK forgiveness and mercy, rather than guilt, are at the heart of the NT and the OT.

                Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
                Paul's heresy against Israel is plain by his last five years in house prison in Rome, fleeing capital punishment from the Sanhedrin. Christians like to say that Paul was in trouble for teaching Christianity but that is obviously untrue because he answered the question by saying he taught the Noachide Laws to the pagans in Asia Minor. So the Sanhedrin was appeased.

                He was in trouble for treason against Israel, his Roman citizenship papers but more so for perjury. - Paul lied to the Sanhedrin about purchasing the papers at all; to the point he told the Sanhedrin, under oath, that his ship in fact never even docked in Cyprus at all. But you have all heard that...
                Israel was in exile at the time. Judah (a subpart of Israel) as a state, it is said, was coming to its end. Edom/Esau enemies of Israel and Judah (subpart of Israel) had taken chief positions in Judah after Hyrcanus forced integrated Edom/Esau into Judah. It is a matter of record that the Herods were Edomites. It has been suggested that Edom had come into alliance with Canaan and Ishmael.

                Also, the scepter departed from Judah around 0 AD. Rabbinic Writings evidence this. This is further evidenced by the fact that the Judeans who wanted Jesus dead had to turn him over to the Romans to punish him.

                Related: Moses and Paul (similarities)

                But is it not interesting Mani and Simon Magus claimed to be Holy God, Christ, etc. but they had no problem with that? Simon Magus was made out to be a God in Rome some suggest.

                Originally posted by xparte View Post
                They wore their hair very long, never cutting it, in the tradition of the scriptural Israeli Nazarites, the most famous of whom was Samson, who the Merovingians and Gnostics held in curiously high esteem.
                Samson is said to have been of the tribe of Dan.

                re: Original Sin
                The worst sins in Manichean thinking were the sexual sins, because they resulted in more souls of light becoming imprisoned in evil bodies. According to Manichaeism, mankind was divided into three separate groups of people: the Sinners, the Hearers and the Elect. The Elect were obliged to refrain from all things that bound them to the material world: certain foods, sexual intercourse and manual labor. They were certain to obtain salvation once they died. The Hearers had to observe the same restrictions only on Sundays.

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                The Manicheans called themselves Christians, which made it easier for someone raised Catholic to see himself as an adherent of something that was really Christianity...

                NO ONE Before Augustine taught that man was Born a Sinner or that his Free Will was in bondage to his flesh. Such Teaching came from the Gnostics!
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                "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
                "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
                Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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                • xparte
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 742

                  #68

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                  • allodial
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 2866

                    #69
                    The irony is that Gnostics promoted warmongering as a doctrine: wars fought based on hearsay that cause death and destruction on a large scale. Iraq (and its CEO who protected Christians and others alike) was devastated based on hearsay and armchair reactions. But yet, they slander a God who gave Jericho 500 years to change course.

                    Originally posted by xparte View Post
                    From a Gnostic perspective, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by the God of the Bible not for their wickedness but because of their wisdom and insights. Gnostics believe the God of the Bible is the evil God who enslaves humankind in ignorance. or might it be freewill is knowing and ignoring the one God.
                    Some suggest that is Nimrod protecting.
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                    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
                    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
                    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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                    • Chex
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                      • May 2011
                      • 1032

                      #70
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                      • xparte
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                        • Sep 2014
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                        #71
                        Last edited by xparte; 11-08-16, 11:34 PM.

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                        • allodial
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                          • May 2011
                          • 2866

                          #72
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                          Roman Catholics celebrating Easter (Spain?). (source)

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                          Catholics celebrating the Holy Week in Spain which has been part of their festivities since the Middle Ages. Their uniform here looks very much like the costumes of the Roman Catholic Inquisitors during the Inquisitions. (source)


                          Note: Allegedly, the flag David Duke (historically associated with the U.S. Democratic Party) is holding is what is regarded to originally have been flag or emblem of the U.S. Democratic Party (which is just as pro-slavery today as it was from the beginning--except that their form of slavery today is carried out mainly through "mass incarceration" and coercion under abject poverty).


                          Robert Byrd was a long-time Democrat and U.S. senator.


                          In all fairness to the late Robert Byrd:

                          Byrd also said, in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened." (Source: Wikipedia)
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                          Lyndon Johnson, Democrat is said to have been a virulent bigot and a Catholic.

                          Apart from his association with Scottish Rite in the United States and the work Morals and Dogma, Albert Pike is regarded to have been behind the founding of the KKK. Many deny it. However, after 1870, Jim Crow laws went into full effect. He referred to himself as "Sovereign Pontiff" remember that the Papacy was in exile during that time (since around 1798) and had lost the Papal States, so maybe he felt he was taking the Roman Pope's place? Keep in mind, an orthodox America meant the end of slavery and the economic windfalls associated with that.

                          Though they deny the connection, challenge to believe their denial. Some seem to forget: the KKK itself is a secret society. Not suggesting all Roman Catholics to be racist/bigoted but ...there has been definitely something going on.

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                          • Catholic Slavery: A Recent Reminder (KKK Masters: Whose Slaves Were Recently Found?)
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                          "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
                          "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
                          Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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                          • xparte
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                            • Sep 2014
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                            #73

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                            • allodial
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2011
                              • 2866

                              #74
                              All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

                              "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
                              "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
                              Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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                              • allodial
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 2866

                                #75
                                There was a guy back in the 90s (he made a video, before 'conspiracy theories' were mainstream), used to work high-up in U.S. Govt., one thing he said was that he found at the highest levels of the KKK, Nimrod worship (and they regard him to be "a Black man")--the irony.
                                All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

                                "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
                                "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
                                Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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