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  • walter
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 662

    #76
    Bouvier's Law Dictionary
    1856 Edition

    LEGAL ESTATE. One, the right to which may be enforced in a court of law. It is distinguished from an equitable estate, the rights to which can be established only in a court of equity. 2 Bouv. Inst. n. 1688.

    Academic Dictionaries and Encyclopedias

    legal title
    Ownership of property that is cognizable or enforceable in a court of law, or one that is complete and perfect in terms of the apparent right of ownership and possession, but that, unlike equitable title, carries no beneficial interest in the property.


    proof of two titles existing,
    (torrents title system)

    so legal title trumps equitable titles,

    what titles are we holding?
    equitable, beneficiary,
    its the lowest form of titles,

    we apply to have benefits,
    we asked to be beneficiary,
    we put our self in the role of the lowest title holder,
    we deserve what we get,


    Bouvier's Law Dictionary
    1856 Edition

    TITLE estates. A title is defined by Lord Coke to be the means whereby the owner of lands hath the just possession of his property. Co. Lit. 345; 2 Bl. Com. 195. Vide 1 Ohio Rep. 349. This is the definition of title to lands only.

    2. There are several stages or degrees requisite to form a complete title to lands and tenements. 1st. The lowest and most imperfect degree of title is the mere possession, or actual occupation of the estate, without any apparent right to hold or continue such possession; this happens when one man disseises another. 2 Bl. Com. 195. 2dly. The next step to a good and perfect title is the right of possession, which may reside in one man, while the actual possession is not in himself, but in another. This right of possession is of two sorts; an apparent right of possession, which may be defeated by proving a better; and an actual right of possession, which will stand the test against all opponents. Idem. 196. 3dly. The mere right of property, the jus proprietatis without either possession or the right of possession. Id. 197.

    3. A title is either good, marketable, doubtful, or bad.

    4. A good title is that which entitles a man by right to a property or estate, and to the lawful possession of the same.

    5. A marketable title is one which a court of equity considers to be so clear that it will enforce its acceptance by a purchaser. The ordinary acceptation of the term marketable title, would convey but a very imperfect notion of its legal and technical import.


    i won't post the whole definition because its goes to 20 and has a few more after that but you can read the rest here:



    "actual right of possession" is the strongest title one can have,


    what is the most official document one can possess as to evidence of our title?
    with out a doubt solb is,

    does the solb show any evidence of a government title?
    no

    who holds the evidence to our title?
    government does,

    is the legal title holder (government) liable?
    no

    why?
    the government is representing the queen, and no one can tell the queen what to do,

    who has the right to request the title to property that the government is holding as evidence of your title?
    you,

    government is holding the evidence of our legal title to the name but we have not claimed it or acknowledged it as the evidence of our title they are holding,

    as holder of our legal title the government recognizes we are the kings, queens,

    David Merill wrote:
    "I have given up beating around the bush. The kingdom is within me and without. I learn by teaching that and teach by learning it too. There is peace in that. I detect that others are finding peace too. "


    i see david knows it,

    we are (can be if done right) the legal title owner of the name that property can be obtained in,
    government holds it as evidence,

    that puts one in control of the holder of the solb,
    if we held the solb we would have to pay, but we would also have absolute ownership of the property and no other could reposes it,

    the holder (government) refuses (can not by mandate) to give it (original solb) to us when requested,
    once noticed of this situation as explained above we re-venue back to kings and queens,
    so they accept by default liability and become the ones that have to pay,

    remember the government is en-trusted with the security of the safe keeping of evidence,
    even when they refuse to give the original that does not mean they own it,
    the form yes, but not the information on the form, the information is intellectual property

    since the government holds the solb the public, province, country, would be the beneficiary.
    lowest form of title holders, servants,

    because we don't act like the solb is our title, and never have, the government uses that title to acquire control over us and our silence or ignorance is allowing it to continue,

    the BC is evidence that the government holds the evidence of your title,
    its an extract from the foundation document,

    we own the rights in the foundation document being the solb so what ever is built on it should be controlled by us,

    all we need to do is step up to the plate and claim our birth right,

    remember that one should fully understand this before trying to accomplish it,

    i will put this to the test soon this winter when i have more time,

    i hope this post clears up the points i am trying to make about the name game,

    if i don't respond to any new posts about what i wrote its because i have gone moose hunting for a week and tomorrow i have a lot to do before i leave,

    happy trails campers,

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    • David Merrill
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      • Mar 2011
      • 5949

      #77
      What is "solb"?
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      • walter
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 662

        #78
        Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
        What is "solb"?
        sorry,

        statement of live birth,

        they could be slightly different from province to province,
        some might be: "official notice of live birth" or "statement of birth" etc,

        also they are on legal size paper,

        some look nice with colour and nice paper and some provinces are a crappy black and white plain copy,

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        • David Merrill
          Administrator
          • Mar 2011
          • 5949

          #79
          Originally posted by walter View Post
          sorry,

          statement of live birth,

          they could be slightly different from province to province,
          some might be: "official notice of live birth" or "statement of birth" etc,

          also they are on legal size paper,

          some look nice with colour and nice paper and some provinces are a crappy black and white plain copy,

          Thanks! I was trying to fit it into Certificate of Live Birth (COLB).


          P.S. Can you please describe where the COLB/SOLB is tied into a Torrens - based system of registration and publication? I am also supposing that this paper describes the Torrens system fairly accurately.
          Last edited by David Merrill; 11-07-12, 01:45 PM.
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          • walter
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2012
            • 662

            #80
            Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
            Thanks! I was trying to fit it into Certificate of Live Birth (COLB).


            P.S. Can you please describe where the COLB/SOLB is tied into a Torrens - based system of registration and publication? I am also supposing that this paper describes the Torrens system fairly accurately.
            sorry, i am out of time to review "this paper"
            will check it out when i get back,

            but if you check my last post on the "A Brief History on Birth certificates" thread,
            i think it will answer your question,

            should be back around monday or so,

            yee haa
            of hunting moose for a week,
            happy trails campers,

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            • David Merrill
              Administrator
              • Mar 2011
              • 5949

              #81
              Originally posted by walter View Post
              sorry, i am out of time to review "this paper"
              will check it out when i get back,

              but if you check my last post on the "A Brief History on Birth certificates" thread,
              i think it will answer your question,

              should be back around monday or so,

              yee haa
              of hunting moose for a week,
              happy trails campers,


              Thank you Walter. I hope you have a clean kill and a freezer-full!
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              • LearnTheLaw
                Member
                • Nov 2012
                • 59

                #82
                Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
                Thank you Walter. I hope you have a clean kill and a freezer-full!
                I certainly hope the Moose did not get Walter.

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                • David Merrill
                  Administrator
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 5949

                  #83
                  Me too! Walter?

                  Could somebody please PM Mr. MOOSE?
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                  • LearnTheLaw
                    Member
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 59

                    #84
                    Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
                    Me too! Walter?

                    Could somebody please PM Mr. MOOSE?
                    Mr. Moose claims he has not seen Mr. Walter.

                    Mr. Moose has reserved all unalienable rights and refuses to consent to a search of his freezer.

                    Hopefully Mr. Walter will return and finish this discussion.

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                    • walter
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 662

                      #85
                      No moose got me yet.
                      And I hope they never do.
                      What part do you want to discuss LearnTheLaw?
                      Who would have thought that a NAME could get so complicated in red tap?

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                      • LearnTheLaw
                        Member
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 59

                        #86
                        Originally posted by walter View Post
                        No moose got me yet.
                        And I hope they never do.
                        What part do you want to discuss LearnTheLaw?
                        Who would have thought that a NAME could get so complicated in red tap?
                        Glad to hear that you're not hanging out in some moose's freezer, can't say the same for the moose though...LOL

                        I was curious about the answers to the questions below when I posted earlier [still am if you can].

                        the holder (government) refuses (can not by mandate) to give it (original solb) to us when requested,

                        i will put this to the test soon this winter when i have more time,




                        But then I re-read your post and I saw this

                        but if you check my last post on the "A Brief History on Birth certificates" thread,
                        i think it will answer your question,


                        so off I go to read that thread.

                        Thanks

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                        • LearnTheLaw
                          Member
                          • Nov 2012
                          • 59

                          #87
                          Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
                          Thanks! I was trying to fit it into Certificate of Live Birth (COLB).


                          P.S. Can you please describe where the COLB/SOLB is tied into a Torrens - based system of registration and publication? I am also supposing that this paper describes the Torrens system fairly accurately.

                          I tried the link, but it doesn't seem to be working

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                          • walter
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 662

                            #88
                            Originally posted by LearnTheLaw View Post

                            I was curious about the answers to the questions below when I posted earlier [still am if you can].

                            the holder (government) refuses (can not by mandate) to give it (original solb) to us when requested,

                            i will put this to the test soon this winter when i have more time,

                            Only originals can be recorded.
                            That's why a cop will never give you the original ticket to you when you ask for it, he gives you a carbon copy.

                            Same as courts. They only record original documents.

                            The SOLB is ON file. Not IN file.

                            One mandate of vital stats agents is to file and secure the originals.
                            So they can only issue and delivery certified copies.

                            The SOLB is a "certified true copy of a registration document".

                            The BC is a "certified extract from the registration of birth".

                            So with out the registration document (SOLB) there can be no BC.

                            Do you see why they can never give you the original SOLB?

                            It is the foundation document. All government documents like the BC, DL, passport, etc is built on the SOLB foundation.
                            If the foundation is removed the house falls down.

                            The SOLB is not a registration of the NAME or PERSON. It is a registration of the event of the birth.

                            It is the closest document we have that can be used to identify our body's deed.
                            It is the closest document we have that says we are alive.

                            BUT have we claimed it as such?

                            On New Year day I remember that the tv would always show the movie Ben Hur.
                            Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ is an 1880 novel by American general and author Lew Wallace.

                            What sticks in my head is the 1959 version when Charlton Heston is going to commit suicide but first frees his slaves.
                            He has them all lined up and one after the other they come to him and he hands each one a scroll of paper and says "your free".

                            What did he hand them that can do that?

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                            • shikamaru
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 1630

                              #89
                              Originally posted by walter View Post
                              The SOLB is not a registration of the NAME or PERSON. It is a registration of the event of the birth.
                              It doesn't even really register the event of the birth.
                              It is the date the registration was made which may be different than one's true date of birth.

                              To register, according to William Thornton, is to bring something foreign into a jurisdiction.
                              If someone or something is internal to the jurisdiction, enrollment is what is requested.

                              Furthermore, no one alive knows their date of birth. Only third parties could testify to such an event.
                              When you give a data of birth, you are giving a confession or declaration, not first hand knowledge.
                              Last edited by shikamaru; 12-30-12, 10:09 PM.

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                              • David Merrill
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                                • Mar 2011
                                • 5949

                                #90
                                Originally posted by shikamaru View Post
                                It doesn't even really register the event of the birth.
                                It is the date the registration was made which may be different than one's true date of birth.

                                To register, according to William Thornton, is to bring something foreign into a jurisdiction.
                                If someone or something is internal to the jurisdiction, enrollment is what is requested.

                                Furthermore, no one alive knows their date of birth. Only third parties could testify to such an event.
                                When you give a data of birth, you are giving a confession or declaration, not first hand knowledge.
                                Interesting application of a mental model.
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