walking the walk

[realname]

Short historyPurpose of the thread
Time of filing is approaching and it is time to establish evidence repository and do the actual work. While this forum contains huge amount of useful information and examples I am still having problems with understanding technique of the paperwork preparation and filing. Also, me not being born in US nor having very fluent speaking and writing abilities I can hardly imagine myself to be able to write legalese without help of honorable people of this forum. Thus I thought that doing the process and documenting all its steps with examples of paperwork, questions and answers will setup a good learning resource for newbies like myself.

1. While still in 2012 open new bank account and record a notice and demand, so that starting new year I can switch back to direct deposit
2. File return with reduction of income that equals to total amount of lawful checks.
3. R4C IRS correspondence if necessary
4. Get a refund
5. Learn (probably should be the first in the list )
6. Help other to learn (should it be second or first? )

Plan

Dilemmas and thoughts

1. I am planning to have joined bank account for future direct deposits as well as to file return as joined. Therefore it seems that when establishing Libel of Review it should have two petitioners, is it possible?

P.S.

[David Merrill]

Short historyPurpose of the thread
Time of filing is approaching and it is time to establish evidence repository and do the actual work. While this forum contains huge amount of useful information and examples I am still having problems with understanding technique of the paperwork preparation and filing. Also, me not being born in US nor having very fluent speaking and writing abilities I can hardly imagine myself to be able to write legalese without help of honorable people of this forum. Thus I thought that doing the process and documenting all its steps with examples of paperwork, questions and answers will setup a good learning resource for newbies like myself.

1. While still in 2012 open new bank account and record a notice and demand, so that starting new year I can switch back to direct deposit
2. File return with reduction of income that equals to total amount of lawful checks.
3. R4C IRS correspondence if necessary
4. Get a refund
5. Learn (probably should be the first in the list )
6. Help other to learn (should it be second or first? )

Plan

Dilemmas and thoughts

1. I am planning to have joined bank account for future direct deposits as well as to file return as joined. Therefore it seems that when establishing Libel of Review it should have two petitioners, is it possible?

P.S.

That is a beautiful post!

I took a look around with some tools and see you have been parsing out the various posts and threads of the Lesson Plan with an engineering-meticulousness. I like that! You comprehend the process and want to proceed with your initial filing after redeeming lawful money carefully, implementing the Notice and Demand procedure too.

One thing I may have neglected to display on this forum is how a suitor has been getting his refund in full, however the IRS has been crediting his past liability. That is to say, he has been owing the IRS for past years and the IRS agent recognizes he has a full refund coming, but deducts that amount from his past taxes due.

That is an interesting admission.

The thread is placed perfectly too. It is great to have you posting finally, after a few months of careful study here!

[Treefarmer]

Short historyPurpose of the thread
Time of filing is approaching and it is time to establish evidence repository and do the actual work. While this forum contains huge amount of useful information and examples I am still having problems with understanding technique of the paperwork preparation and filing. Also, me not being born in US nor having very fluent speaking and writing abilities I can hardly imagine myself to be able to write legalese without help of honorable people of this forum. Thus I thought that doing the process and documenting all its steps with examples of paperwork, questions and answers will setup a good learning resource for newbies like myself.

1. While still in 2012 open new bank account and record a notice and demand, so that starting new year I can switch back to direct deposit
2. File return with reduction of income that equals to total amount of lawful checks.
3. R4C IRS correspondence if necessary
4. Get a refund
5. Learn (probably should be the first in the list )
6. Help other to learn (should it be second or first? )

Plan

Dilemmas and thoughts

1. I am planning to have joined bank account for future direct deposits as well as to file return as joined. Therefore it seems that when establishing Libel of Review it should have two petitioners, is it possible?

P.S.

Hello realname
Welcome to the forum.
I highly recommend you read this somewhat lengthy treatise, while you pay your income taxes on your W-2 "income" conventionally, to save yourself much agony and expenses in the future.

Even though you can redeem your paychecks for lawful money AFTER you receive the "taxable income", you still owe the income taxes because you signed W-4s, which result in W-2s, which means that you are receiving "taxable income" as far as the IRS is concerned.

So-called lawful money returns are still new to the IRS right now. Give them about 2 years and watch what happens.
They have 7 years to mess around with a return you file for any given tax year.
Just because they issue refunds for a while doesn't mean that "it worked".
The IRS will demand those refunds back later, plus penalties and interest, and with frivolous filing fees piled on top.

I don't mean to put a damper on your enthusiasm, but after experiencing the HENDRICKSON disaster, I would hate to see more people fall into this trap.
Lawful money is real, it exists, but unless you are being paid in cash or coin, you are not getting lawful money.
If you signed W-4s you volunteered to be a taxpayer-slave via the trade or business scam.

Please be careful.

[realname]

Hello realname
Welcome to the forum.
I highly recommend you read this somewhat lengthy treatise, while you pay your income taxes on your W-2 "income" conventionally, to save yourself much agony and expenses in the future.

Even though you can redeem your paychecks for lawful money AFTER you receive the "taxable income", you still owe the income taxes because you signed W-4s, which result in W-2s, which means that you are receiving "taxable income" as far as the IRS is concerned.

So-called lawful money returns are still new to the IRS right now. Give them about 2 years and watch what happens.
They have 7 years to mess around with a return you file for any given tax year.
Just because they issue refunds for a while doesn't mean that "it worked".
The IRS will demand those refunds back later, plus penalties and interest, and with frivolous filing fees piled on top.

I don't mean to put a damper on your enthusiasm, but after experiencing the HENDRICKSON disaster, I would hate to see more people fall into this trap.
Lawful money is real, it exists, but unless you are being paid in cash or coin, you are not getting lawful money.
If you signed W-4s you volunteered to be a taxpayer-slave via the trade or business scam.

Please be careful.

[realname]

bank account

Following the plan, seems like one of the first things that I need to do is to take care of a bank account. I see different options:

1. Use existing (interest bearing) account and do Notice and Demand against it. As a consequence I will be gladly paying taxes on all accrued interests.
2. Somehow make the bank to convert existing one from Interest bearing to non-bearing account. Does anyone has experience or at least procedural understanding on how to do this?
3. Open new account, without signing W-??. When asked why I am not signing W-??, what would be my explanation to the clerk?

What would be the best option from your experience? If there are legal implications associated with either choice, I would highly appreciate simplified explanation (plain English)(if possible), so that people (me including) who just starting will have easier comprehension.

[realname]

[cdsea10]

i have been depositing with the non endorsement also. i make copies front and back of every check and write the check number on the back so the back and front correspond. i have never really known how to utilize this and i have read lots since the 1st article in 2006...
in january i go to the bank and have them print all deposits and a cover latter stating these are the deposits for year 20?? in account #123345 and have the name of a contact person and have it noterized at the bank. now, i have a 3rd party witness.
i believe in the 3 year rule also.... this is new and how the agency will respond is still unknown.
i have learned to never file joint... only married file separate. that way my bride is protected.
keep in mind taking deductions is a benefit.

[David Merrill]

Following the plan, seems like one of the first things that I need to do is to take care of a bank account. I see different options:

1. Use existing (interest bearing) account and do Notice and Demand against it. As a consequence I will be gladly paying taxes on all accrued interests.
2. Somehow make the bank to convert existing one from Interest bearing to non-bearing account. Does anyone has experience or at least procedural understanding on how to do this?
3. Open new account, without signing W-??. When asked why I am not signing W-??, what would be my explanation to the clerk?

What would be the best option from your experience? If there are legal implications associated with either choice, I would highly appreciate simplified explanation (plain English)(if possible), so that people (me including) who just starting will have easier comprehension.

I believe that is a decision for the bank to make.

This and any other Pete HENDRICKSON argument I have ever come across has been shot down so much since the early '90's that any attorney bringing them into tax court will be sanctioned, and any pro se defendant will be warned only once. These are like navigating with the UCC. There are great theoretical and hypothetical scenarios but expecting the court to follow a script is really the first hard lesson anybody can expect.

[David Merrill]

i have been depositing with the non endorsement also. i make copies front and back of every check and write the check number on the back so the back and front correspond. i have never really known how to utilize this and i have read lots since the 1st article in 2006...
in january i go to the bank and have them print all deposits and a cover latter stating these are the deposits for year 20?? in account #123345 and have the name of a contact person and have it noterized at the bank. now, i have a 3rd party witness.
i believe in the 3 year rule also.... this is new and how the agency will respond is still unknown.
i have learned to never file joint... only married file separate. that way my bride is protected.
keep in mind taking deductions is a benefit.

Suitors in the brain trust are exploring the 843 Form and variations of Notice and Demand. A very interesting development is a new suitor who has had $30K in redeemed lawful money Refund applied in its entirety to a pre-redemption tax liability.

[realname]

i have been depositing with the non endorsement also. i make copies front and back of every check and write the check number on the back so the back and front correspond

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Trying to resolve the problem with association of the check's front a back made me to notarize each check copy where front and back printed on the same page.

i have learned to never file joint... only married file separate. that way my bride is protected.
keep in mind taking deductions is a benefit.

Thank you for excellent points.

[realname]

Just to keep "easy to follow" order of the thread I am re-posting some of the related to "bank account" post snippets that were made on different branches:

From Here

I believe that is a decision for the bank to make.

And Here

Suitors in the brain trust are exploring the 843 Form and variations of Notice and Demand. A very interesting development is a new suitor who has had $30K in redeemed lawful money Refund applied in its entirety to a pre-redemption tax liability.

[David Merrill]

Here is a good example of a comprehensive Notice and Demand.

I was looking at the 843 Form and it is not for overpayment of Income Tax. While that does not include refund of withholdings it may be best to file with a 1040 Form and use the 843 Form if the IRS should ever charge the frivolous penalty.

[Treefarmer]

Keep in mind that the term "lawful money" does not exist in the IRC.
The word lawful occurs about 3 times or so, but not in connection with money, and money is mentioned many times, but not in connection with lawful.

I suspect that the reason for this is similar to the reason why footballs are not described in the rules for tennis or golf: different ball game.

If the IRS is involved in any way, then lawful money isn't.
The IRS has nothing to do with lawful money and doesn't know what that is (not that it will admit to anyways).

My advice is to stay away from lost horizons; there's a reason why they are lost.

[realname]

movie again (3^rd

[David Merrill]

Hello realname Welcome to the forum.

I highly recommend you read this somewhat lengthy treatise, while you pay your income taxes on your W-2 "income" conventionally, to save yourself much agony and expenses in the future.

Even though you can redeem your paychecks for lawful money AFTER you receive the "taxable income", you still owe the income taxes because you signed W-4s, which result in W-2s, which means that you are receiving "taxable income" as far as the IRS is concerned.

So-called lawful money returns are still new to the IRS right now. Give them about 2 years and watch what happens.

They have 7 years to mess around with a return you file for any given tax year.

Just because they issue refunds for a while doesn't mean that "it worked".

The IRS will demand those refunds back later, plus penalties and interest, and with frivolous filing fees piled on top.

I don't mean to put a damper on your enthusiasm, but after experiencing the HENDRICKSON disaster, I would hate to see more people fall into this trap.

Lawful money is real, it exists, but unless you are being paid in cash or coin, you are not getting lawful money.

If you signed W-4s you volunteered to be a taxpayer-slave via the trade or business scam.

Please be careful.

The real rub here is that filling out the W-4 Form is a mandatory part of employment in America. If the employer fails to collect the W-4 Forms from all the employees there can be fines and other penalties for the employer.

Keep in mind that the term "lawful money" does not exist in the IRC.

The word lawful occurs about 3 times or so, but not in connection with money, and money is mentioned many times, but not in connection with lawful.

I suspect that the reason for this is similar to the reason why footballs are not described in the rules for tennis or golf: different ball game.

If the IRS is involved in any way, then lawful money isn't.

The IRS has nothing to do with lawful money and doesn't know what that is (not that it will admit to anyways).

My advice is to stay away from lost horizons; there's a reason why they are lost.

This reminds me of the LOST TV series. I watched the entire six seasons only to find that it was a post-death hallucination - all of it! It was a remake of Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge, and Jacob's Ladder in my opinion. Beware the linguistics of anything LOST!

movie again (3^rd

Thank you for the video commentary. It has prompted me to Review of My Videos - new threads coming soon. I know there are things I have confirmed as well as am embarrased to have said. Like with HENDRICKSON that is a problem about publishing where you are at that time, when life is a learning process.

The evolved comment in your second paragraph Realname, is that we can be full-fledged State Banks and still make our demand for lawful money. That in fact is who (what) the remedy is intended for - state banks who have been issued Federal Reserve notes. There are suitors earning over $100K/year gainfully employed.


Regards,

David Merrill.