Generic Notice and Demand - $350 civil suit

[mikecz]

I made my deposit, endorsing on backs of checks, "to be redeemed for lawful money under 12 USC 411" at my credit union and the legal department called and refused to accept the deposits. They claimed to 'not accept any "restricted" deposits'. I asked if they were insured by the federal government (which places them in the federal reserve system and under the Federal Reserve Act) and they said yes, so I simply asked for them to put their objection in writing and to cite the law under which they were refusing to accept deposits. They said they will send a letter next week with this information. I'll post their response.

Bentley

Sounds good Bentley, would love to see the followup. I too have a letter in with my credit union, I put it straight to their legal team...


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[Chex]

Who is using your SSN Card for identification purposes besides you? That a very good question.

At 14, one cannot voluntarily enter into contracts http://law.yourdictionary.com/contract

What Is the Legal Age to Contract? http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...o-contract.htm

Generally speaking a minor cannot enter into a legally binding contract. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_contra...rs_enforceable

"A birth certificate is not a form of identification"
The state agency that issues birth certificates will share your child's information with us, and we will mail the Social Security card to you. http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...-for-a-newborn

A birth certificate is not a form of ID it is only used to establish a Social Security number. http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...tail/a_id/2285http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...ecurity-number

Specific laws require a person to provide his or her Social Security number for certain purposes. While we cannot give you a comprehensive list of all situations where a Social Security number might be required or requested, a Social Security number is required or requested by the following organizations: http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...ecurity-number

Bank of America: Your Birth Certificate is NOT valid as ID!, page 1 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread470440/pg1

Section 312: Special Due Diligence for Correspondent Accounts and Private Banking Accounts. This Section amends the Bank Secrecy Act by imposing due diligence & enhanced due diligence requirements on U.S. financial institutions that maintain correspondent accounts for foreign financial institutions or private banking accounts for non-U.S. persons.

Section 326: Verification of Identification. Prescribes regulations establishing minimum standards for financial institutions and their customers regarding the identity of a customer that shall apply with the opening of an account at the financial institution. http://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/...r=1&id=326#326http://www.bankersonline.com/aml/326whitepaper.pdf

For U.S. customers (both individuals and entities) a CIP should require a Taxpayer Identification Number, such as a Social Security Number, Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, or Employer Identification Number.

As for non-U.S. customers, a CIP should require one or more of the following: a Taxpayer Identification Number, such as a Social Security Number, Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, or Employer Identification Number; passport number and country of issuance; alien identification card number; or number and country of issuance of a foreign government-issued document evidencing nationality or residence and bearing a photograph (or similar safeguard).

See 31 C.F.R. 103.121(b)(2)(I)(A): http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...s/bankrule.pdf

There are two exceptions to the above rule. A CIP may include procedures that accommodate a customer who has applied for, but not yet received, a taxpayer identification number. Such procedures must confirm that the tax ID application was filed before the customer opens the account and require the bank to obtain the tax ID within a reasonable period after the account is opened. A second exception allows credit card issuers to obtain the identifying information from a third-party source prior to extending credit to the customer.

31 C.F.R. 103.121(b)(2)(i)(B) http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/103-121-cust...nions-19739609

[Chex]

"A birth certificate is not a form of identification or is it?" http://www.cookcountyclerk.com/vital...s/default.aspx

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...first_830.html

We can accept only certain documents as proof of identity. An acceptable document must be current (not expired) and show your name, identifying information (date of birth or age) and preferably a recent photograph. A birth certificate is not a form of identification. As proof of identity, Social Security must see one of the following primary evidence documents: http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...tail/a_id/2281

then the 'entity' formerly known as the IRS steps in and intimidates the employer into not accepting it, in violation of said regulation.

TREASURY ORDER: 150-06 http://famguardian.org/PublishedAuth...s/irsbegin.htm

TREASURY ORDER: 150-06 http://foundationfortruthinlaw.org/P...-for-ORDER.pdf

REVENUE PROVISIONS, Subtitle E - (amendments to the U.S. Code)"SEC. 742 , TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS REQUIRED AT BIRTH Link http://www.google.com/search?q=TAXPA...e7&rlz=1I7MEDA

SSA - POMS: RM 00201.040 - Void Social Security Numbers (SSNs) - 03/26/2008 https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.NSF/0/4c...ocument&Click=

"The Social Security Act does not require a person to have a Social Security number (SSN) to live and work in the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one." http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...htsAndSSNs.htmhttp://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...SSNs.htm#1.5.2http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title02/0208.htm

[Brian]

special income taxmeasured bynot issued under its own authority. Without this power, indeed, its attempts to secure a sound and uniform currency for the country must be futile.

Viewed in this light, as well as in the other light of a duty on contracts or property, we cannot doubt the constitutionality of the tax under consideration. "

and finally I offer this: Page 38 last paragraph into page 39 http://books.google.com/books?id=X4k...201797&f=false

Could it not be any clearer that paper currencies NOT issued directly by the government and NOT redeemable in the coin of the realm are instituted with a built in blowoff/regulator valve known as the income tax? Without the income tax it would hyperinflate itself to death in no time. It serves to ground the system (if you want to put it into electrical terms).

[Bentley]

I am supposing you want me to cut a new path here. Something along the line that I remarked that there may not be fraud in light of remedy, to the post you quoted.

I like the way your mind worked its way to the question if I am understanding you correctly. In other words this post may just be the way my mind works and a complete misinterpretation of your post; I just like where you led my mind.

The Social Security in itself is a valid income tax and you cannot (in all my experience) ever have a bank or credit union account without a SSN. We start there. However, like you have heard me say, I have no SSN and therefore do the math; I have no bank account. So we work from there and as you know I consider the SS System an insurance company - elderly and other disability insurance. I paid premiums and when I have a use for that SSN I might write to the SSA for a reminder by Card what that sequence of numbers is on my insurance policy.

So if I had that much use for a bank account, like all you do, then I might do the same and establish the sequence of digits so I could open and use an account.

In my mind however, the SSN on the account would have nothing to do with the insurance policy that it is for in my mind. Now we arrive at the contemplation by the bank that I provided the SSN for income tax purposes - as a Taxpayer ID #. I did not. But I can just bet that since my bank account has nothing to do with me being old or disabled that the bank is requiring the SSN because they are.

In this situation I would add verbiage to defeating the SSN presumption on my Notice and Demand served on the Fed, recorded in the USDC and served on the bank.

Thank you!

I think you just improved the Notice and Demand template. I am always looking for stuff like that.



Regards,

David Merrill.

I should have replied awhile ago to your post here David, but I got busy exploring other posts on other topics. If I've somehow helped you think of a new Notice template, it was quite serendipitous on my part, I assure you, but thank you for the compliment anyway.

I eagerly await to explore what your creative and educated mind comes up with. Where did you learn this stuff anyway? Would Pastor Richard Standring be any of your sources?

Bentley

[David Merrill]

I should have replied awhile ago to your post here David, but I got busy exploring other posts on other topics. If I've somehow helped you think of a new Notice template, it was quite serendipitous on my part, I assure you, but thank you for the compliment anyway.

I eagerly await to explore what your creative and educated mind comes up with. Where did you learn this stuff anyway? Would Pastor Richard Standring be any of your sources?

Bentley

STANDRING provided only one great tidbit along the way. That is that Black's Fifth Law Dictionary is approved of by the Crown in a dedication at the end of the hardcover edition. That always stuck with me.

We have filters. - Like the small intestine. The liver and solar plexus resonate or stifle chemicals going through the intestinal wall depending on what your body needs in the blood. It is like that. My heritage is Patroons on both sides of my family so items related to admiralty and municipal (METRO) organization seem to filter through the screen and emerge consciously to me. I have the Mason library and museum available as with the federal repository (Government Documents).

The brain trust is a great echo chamber for playing with new ideas - as is this website.

Thanks for the great compliments!

[Bentley]

"A birth certificate is not a form of identification or is it?" http://www.cookcountyclerk.com/vital...s/default.aspx

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...first_830.html

We can accept only certain documents as proof of identity. An acceptable document must be current (not expired) and show your name, identifying information (date of birth or age) and preferably a recent photograph. A birth certificate is not a form of identification. As proof of identity, Social Security must see one of the following primary evidence documents: http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...tail/a_id/2281

then the 'entity' formerly known as the IRS steps in and intimidates the employer into not accepting it, in violation of said regulation.

TREASURY ORDER: 150-06 http://famguardian.org/PublishedAuth...s/irsbegin.htm

TREASURY ORDER: 150-06 http://foundationfortruthinlaw.org/P...-for-ORDER.pdf

REVENUE PROVISIONS, Subtitle E - (amendments to the U.S. Code)"SEC. 742 , TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS REQUIRED AT BIRTH Link http://www.google.com/search?q=TAXPA...e7&rlz=1I7MEDA

SSA - POMS: RM 00201.040 - Void Social Security Numbers (SSNs) - 03/26/2008 https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.NSF/0/4c...ocument&Click=

"The Social Security Act does not require a person to have a Social Security number (SSN) to live and work in the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one." http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...htsAndSSNs.htmhttp://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...SSNs.htm#1.5.2http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title02/0208.htm

Your last paragraph comes from the document, "Liberty for Dummies" in post #18 of this thread.... try to give credit where credit is due.

Bentley

[LearnTheLaw]

Your last paragraph comes from the document, "Liberty for Dummies" in post #18 of this thread.... try to give credit where credit is due.

Bentley

It appears that Chex is trying to pass on useful info, not pass it off as a "Quote" from himself?

You can either use it or not, but attacking someone who is trying to help educate you may not be beneficial to you in the long run.

[Bentley]

It appears that Chex is trying to pass on useful info, not pass it off as a "Quote" from himself?

You can either use it or not, but attacking someone who is trying to help educate you may not be beneficial to you in the long run.

Whoa, Bro... nobody's attacking anybody here. Chex quoted family guardian paragraph and correctly referenced the link http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...SSNs.htm#1.5.2., and other references are correct. Probably it was just an oversight. Asking for consistency wasn't meant to attack anyone. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

Bentley

[Franco]

[Michael Joseph]

Cognomen = FAMILY NAME.

Christian Name or Given Name or Baptismal Name = what most would call First Middle although that is incorrect in my opinion = True Name.

True Name + Cognomen [Family Name] = Legal Name

Some folks refer to the FAMILY NAME as the Business Name. I tend to Agree. Just ask Mr. Smith.

Respondent, Henry Paulson? - seems like Henry PAULSON is out of office these days - I'll wager he is enjoying a private capacity.

If I was you, and you are considering a Libel of Review pursuit, I would make myself very aware of EVERYTHING that is written in that LoR - BECAUSE once you issue it, it is your process, your issue and your liability. I "somewhat" modified mine within the confines of its intent.

It is an easy thing for a judge to look up a plagiarism :

1. Free Plagiarism Checker

2. The Plagiarism Checker

Oh yeah because I love to tie things back to Scripture:

Job 32:21 Let me not, I pray you, accept any man's person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man.

1. Notice this verse specifies MAN
2. And Man's PERSON

Furthermore lets check out the Hebrew for Flattering Titles: I wonder what the Hebrew says:

H3655
ka?na?h

A primitive root; to address by an additional name; hence, to eulogize: - give flattering titles, surname (himself).


Now then Mr. SMITH do you feel flattered?

Lets see what Johnny B. has to say about Cognomen and Family Name, shall we?

COGNOMEN. A Latin word, which signifies a family name. The praenomen among the Romans distinguished the person, the nomen, the gens, or all the kindred descended from a remote common stock through males, while the cognomen denoted the particular family. The agnomen was added on account of some particular event, as a further distinction. Thus, in the designation Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus, Publius is the proenomen, Cornelius is the nomen, Scipio the cognomen, and Africanus the agnomen. Vicat. These several terms occur frequently in the Roman laws. See Cas. temp. Hardw. 286; 1 Tayl. 148. See Name; Surname.


Shall we see what Johnny B. has to say about Surname?

SURNAME. A name which is added to the christian name, and which, in modern times, have become family names.

2. They are called surnames, because originally they were written over the name in judicial writings and contracts. They were and are still used for the purpose of distinguishing persons of the same name. They were taken from something attached to the persons assuming them, as John Carpenter, Joseph Black, Samuel Little, &c. See Name.

Comment: So Johnny B. tell us that Family Name = Cognomen = Surname.

Shall we see what Johnny B. has to say about Name?

NAME. One or more words used to distinguish a particular individual, as Socrates, Benjamin Franklin.

2. The Greeks, as is well known, bore only one name, and it was one of the especial rights of a father to choose the names for his children and to alter them if he pleased. It was customary to give to the eldest son the name of the grandfather on his father's side. The day on which children received their names was the tenth after their birth. The tenth day, called 'denate,' was a festive day, and friends and relatives were invited to take part in a sacrifice and a repast. If in a court of justice proofs could be adduced that a father had held the denate, it was sufficient evidence that be had recognized the child as his own. Smith's Diet. of Greek and Rom. Antiq. h. v.

3. Among the Romans, the division into races, and the subdivision of races into families, caused a great multiplicity of names. They had first the pronomen, which was proper to the person; then the nomen, belonging to his race; a surname or cognomen, designating the family; and sometimes an agnomen, which indicated the branch of that family in which the author has become distinguished. Thus, for example, Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus; Publius is the pronomen; Cornelius, the nomen, designating the name of the race Cornelia; Scipio, the cognomen, or surname of the family; and Africanus, the agnomen, which indicated his exploits.

4. Names are divided into Christian names, as, Benjamin, and surnames, as, Franklin.

5. No man can have more than one Christian name; 1 Ld. Raym. 562; Bac. Ab. Misnomer, A; though two or more names usually kept separate, as John and Peter, may undoubtedly be compounded, so as to form, in contemplation of law, but one. 5 T. R. 195. A letter put between the Christian and surname, as an abbreviation of a part of the Christian name, as, John B. Peterson, is no part of either. 4 Watts' R. 329; 5 John. R. 84; 14 Pet. R. 322; 3 Pet. R. 7; 2 Cowen. 463; Co. Litt. 3 a; 1 Ld. Raym. 562; , Vin. Ab. Misnomer, C 6, pl. 5 and 6: Com. Dig. Indictment, G 1, note u; Willes, R. 654; Bac. Abr. Misnomer and Addition; 3 Chit. Pr. 164 to 173; 1 Young, R. 602. But see 7 Watts & Serg. 406.

11. When a person uses a name in making a contract under seal, he will not be permitted to say that it is not his name; as, if he sign and seal a bond " A and B," (being his own and his partner's name,) and he had no authority from bis partner to make such a deed, he cannot deny that bis name is A. & B. 1 Raym. 2; 1 Salk. 214. And if a man describes himself in the body of a deed by the name of James and signs it John, he cannot, on being sued by the latter name, plead that his name is James. 3 Taunt. 505; Cro. Eliz. 897, n. a. Vide 3 P. & D. 271; 11 Ad. & L. 594.


Comment: For all of you who believe so strongly in names - get a good read of 11. A name is simply a TOOL - a wrench in which one makes a Use.


Shalom,
MJ

[Franco]

[EZrhythm]

Job 32:21 Let me not, I pray you, accept any man's person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man.

1. Notice this verse specifies MAN
2. And Man's PERSON

Furthermore lets check out the Hebrew for Flattering Titles: I wonder what the Hebrew says:

H3655
ka?na?h

A primitive root; to address by an additional name; hence, to eulogize: - give flattering titles, surname (himself).

Excellent post and use of scripture!

Here is another; http://www.biblestudytools.com/prove...8-compare.html
A man lacking in judgment strikes hands in pledge and puts up security for his neighbor.

...I believe this also includes allowing one self to become surety for the FIRST MIDDLE LAST.

[Michael Joseph]

Excellent post and use of scripture!

Here is another; http://www.biblestudytools.com/prove...8-compare.html
A man lacking in judgment strikes hands in pledge and puts up security for his neighbor.

...I believe this also includes allowing one self to become surety for the FIRST MIDDLE LAST.

Thank you.



Pro_22:26 Be not thou one of them that strike hands, or of them that are sureties for debts.

and notice the curious language the the Army Captain uses:

Isa 36:5 ....I have counsel and strength for war: now on whom dost thou trust, that thou rebellest against me?

Isa 36:6 Lo, thou trustest in the staff of this broken reed, on Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust in him.

Isa 36:7 But if thou say to me, We trust in Yehovah our Elohim: is it not He, whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah hath taken away, and said to Judah and to Jerusalem, Ye shall worship before this altar?

Look how the enemy speaks of TRUST. I ask today where do people place their Trust - in Egypt because of its strong Military - that's where.

Isa 36:8 Now therefore give pledges, I pray thee, to my master the king of Assyria, and I will give thee two thousand horses, if thou be able on thy part to set riders upon them.

Isa 36:9 How then wilt thou turn away the face of one captain of the least of my master's servants, and put thy trust on Egypt for chariots and for horsemen?


Now then the Enemy goes to far - just like today:

Isa 36:14 Thus saith the king, Let not Hezekiah deceive you: for he shall not be able to deliver you.

Isa 36:15 Neither let Hezekiah make you trust in the LORD, saying, The LORD will surely deliver us: this city shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.

Isa 36:16 Hearken not to Hezekiah: for thus saith the king of Assyria, Make an agreement with me by a present, and come out to me: and eat ye every one of his vine, and every one of his fig tree, and drink ye every one the waters of his own cistern;


Did you notice the enemy speaks of a Fee Simple estate - own vine and own fig - BUT the enemy shows himself - notice the curious word CISTERN. Wouldn't you prefer a well - a Cistern is only as good as the water in it. Once empty it must be refilled.

I like this song.

"They took all the trees, and put em in a tree museum
And they charged the people twenty five dollars just to see them"


That to me friend is an example of a cistern! But to the Spiritual Man - one who does not need Pastor to refill his cistern may rivers of waters - Spirit - flow out of his belly. That my friend is a well. Have you ever studied the city of Jerusalem. Did you ever notice that the Virgin Pool - is without the city? Consider what I am saying. So then the king built a conduit that would allow the water to flow into the city to the Pool of Siloam. Consider now what a cistern is and a well. I prefer the well.

Sign here and here and here and here and here.......

Shalom,
MJ

[Chex]

I prefer the well. Sign here and here and here and here and here.......

So I should just get up and walk away from the things I signed for? I had trust in you, and you raped me.