Birth Certificate - What it is

[allodial]

Some come for wisdom others just want the free fish sandwich [five loaves/two fishes]. Some will see that they can rise above and others just want out of the pit they created for themselves. To the point the remedy is that of a concern of trust.

Remedy is between the ears. Whereof is my trust resident? That requires my action or inaction depending on perspective. If I have lodged my trust in another well it will not be hard to see. Accounts will exist everywhere, voting rolls, county registry, etc. My deeds will reflect my trust in implication and my signature may be found in expression. Therefore again the question is begged where is my trust lodged?

Remedy you say? Remedy lies in understanding trust. Trolling you say? Perhaps you are not hearing that which you desire however, I will follow I. Thank you for your contemplation and your patience. There are others who read hereof who are not in that boat. I hope you can appreciate that statement.

I remember meeting a man named Rod Class on North Carolina one day for two hours. He went on and on about this statute and that statute concerning this remedy or that remedy. I sat patiently and listened and after two hours I told him I was unconcerned about statutes and that all of what he spouted might be remedied by a man who understands six simple words "I have no trust in you". To that end, our meeting ended. So be it.

I will step away from this thread. Thank you for letting me know that there is someone who desperately needs to learn about a Birth Certificate.

Shalom,
MJ

No offense intended: I'm not sure how often you might contradict yourself even in the same post. If the birth certificate is evidence of someone having trust in the very thing you trivialize then why not say it and be done? And then if someone makes that point you post long long posts which obfuscates getting to the very point you claim to be making but yet you do not make that point. If its silly for someone to be desperate to learn about birth certificates then why are do you appear to be running interference?

You assert that a NAME or an ACCOUNT belongs to them. I agree and rather than staying on the course of topic, you obfuscate and diverting from the practical and pragmatic. Maybe because you feel you are protecting the truth and keeping others from arriving at the truth because you feel them not to deserve it?

If someone explains to them in terms of statutes, states --maybe that is in terms that they can comprehend and that will lead them to consider the philosophy of law which will then lead them to the truth. Babies drink milk before they get to meat or more solid foods. I knew of a so-called pastor who just about killed so many because he was always serving up steaks (stakes) even to babes--never listening always talking always standing on his Uber Soap Box. He quoted some verse about meat. I replied "But who gives meat to babies?" His eyes watered up and started to break out in tears. For some reason, that came to mind.

Also, I suspect that it helps knowing when you are preaching to the choir and when you aren't.

Re: the topic
If the NAME is theirs and the ACCOUNT theirs maybe they want you to minister to them that it is theirs so that the remedy can be had. Maybe it is that way by design. Hmmm just maybe they provide birth certificates for some other reason than what Jordan Maxwell says.

[xparte]

I recently got a John H Doe in the Mail not JOHN HENRY DOE or John Henry Doe all three are styled for a reason all caps is a bill charge upper lower is private person or common law supposedly and my favourite has to be the vacant office upper lower middle initial scam.when one gets this send it back as its a residency check as Lodi has imparted John H DOE;S A DONT,S a warrant or the offer to settle all those NAMED charges because jurisdiction is lost due to no trust or never claiming and appearing for a NAME warrant first if that gets the court back up and running those same charges start fresh if this fails a letter with a middle initial letter INITIATES THE PROCESS again ONCE YOU THINK ITS YOU or know its them if they convinced themselves that that NAME is you so what send it back as its undeliverable as MJ has more than once suggested. For Me once its on paper its transparent . important is the act and avoidance of becoming that paper accept how Me is the matter and who,s NAMED BRINGS THE CHARGE/ WORDS WHO casts the spell has the spelling and the style of that TRUSTED proceeding massage the words oil the tongue

[allodial]

Refusal for cause is about sending it back preferably within 72 hours. As David Merrill puts it, the UPPERCASE is a type of 'slang' to show the kind of entity or personae being dealt with. However I've heard the term "clarifying" used to describe making a name uppercase (in that sense it really means to 'kill' or "eliminate" (distinction). ? *shrugs*)

Right of avoidance of contract is fundamental even as pertains to law of the flag. However, the contract/application for the license, permit, etc. might be of import.

It might help to start looking at names paper in the sense of presumed orders-of-precedence of fiduciary relationship.

ACME TAX SERVICE
100 TAKINGS LANE
REVENUEVILLE, XX 60606

BOB COSTINGS .. .. .. .. .................................................. .......... SSN 123-45-6789
100 HOST LN
SOURCE, TX 75000

Bob:

{Commands, suggestions, instructions, notices, declarations...}

{Signature}

Do you notice that the name Bob is underneath (underwritten/underwriting) the symbols/names above it? If you accept the letter then perhaps you are also accepting the 'order of affairs' illustrated therein. Alfred Adask gives some interesting insight concerning letters.

Also, marking a bill and putting "property of the U.S. Treasury" or whatever has been suggested (David Merrill knows) is just the same concept of "its yours"--they know its theirs. But you can volunteer if you wanna!

Related:

• My Evil Twin (Adask)
• Legal Personality (Adask)
• Allegiance and Birth Certificates (Adask)
• Divorcing the Corporate State (Adask)

[xparte]

I sent it back on the premise who is the Court trying to identify R4C is a issue after its been read i never open it as it has residence remedy for jurisdiction theirs I know less then most and my humility allows me this post if anyone has made a clean break with the Courts the views and interest for this site might be moot the fact each and everyone shares in his or hers mistakes keeps it current The truth is 72hrs in a lockup over child support payments is a valid reason to find a thread or forum and its no place for remedy is never a desired discourse but how life works is anyone or not Me MJ mentions tower of babel well to me it adjusts The reason why a confounding of language was necessary in the first place Noah docks a boat God tells him now fill the world not a chance instead sons of god sons of adam are that Fckin BABEL the law givers Abe begot moe and planks up the ass tears in Christ eye. and it wont be wrong if a intelligent Man says beating a burning bush or jumping of the tower speaking intellectually or insistently yet never speaking remedy is the courts pagan persons file and once a week the meek get styled its frustration when arrogance is remedy for ignorance the path is narrow its a shame how wide we make i been that person and its a story you cant sell. if one cant one does without offending and codec-ending what guys do

[allodial]

I sent it back on the premise who is the Court trying to identify R4C is a issue after its been read i never open it as it has residence remedy for jurisdiction theirs I know less then most and my humility allows me this post if anyone has made a clean break with the Courts the views and interest for this site might be moot the fact each and everyone shares in his or hers mistakes keeps it current The truth is 72hrs in a lockup over child support payments is a valid reason to find a thread or forum and its no place for remedy is never a desired discourse ...

Nihilism (and despair)?

[xparte]

Sounds like fredricks BC & DC

[Chex]

Here is an example of a functioning trustee and agent.

[walter]

1. If you answer to the name of the defendant of the case (most always going to have the status of 'resident' (i.e. office of resident)) that could make you a surety or accommodation party for the defendant (has NOTHING to do with the birth certificate).
2. The holding of the birth certificate is a totally separate matter from a case--completely unrelated unless you make it related.
3. The birth certificate itself is evidence ..of ..something.

1. The job of the prosecutor is to find a surety for the charges.
The charges are placed on a registration.
We show up to court because we think the registration which holds the chargers is in fact us.
A third party (us) appears in court. Prosecutor is very happy that they found a surety other wise they will be the surety. After all who brought the chargers to the court?
Judge is the banker making sure that the books are balanced.
He is trusted to managing their accounts.

2. I strongly disagree with that statement. It has everything to do with the case.

3. I agree with this statement. Its evidence of a certificate.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/topic.page?id=2486E68DD51E4C7ABFA711E890A016FA

Birth Certificates

Your birth certificate is an important legal document that establishes who you are, and when and where you were born. A birth certificate is required for many important applications like passport, the medical services plan, social insurance number, and school enrollment.

You see what the BC is evidencing? Who you are.
It makes you a third party to their affairs.
A cling-on.
Why do they want you in this position?
Because they need a surety.

[walter]

How is it the judge becomes the NAME, then administered this trust account if no standing why is the beneficiary NAMED without standing?

The judge doesn't become the name.
Even the prosecutor has no standing unless certain requirements are met which most of the time they are not.
Beneficiary's can not sue in the trust name.

[walter]

There is talk in this thread of giving the BC back.
That's great but did you cancel it?

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/DownloadAsset?assetId=FA3E7972ADF04D42852281F8AABC86ED&filename=vsa410b_fill.pdf

[xparte]

If a CLERK calls the NAME its 3RD party if otherwise tell me my court calamity is i am no person convey that and how a judge is inclined to re-present the NAME then enter a plea based on WHAT AUTHORITY i gave this 3rd party person their bc a dl a hydro bill it was kept and entered as evidence of what to me evident a person exists on paper only, if i regret writing a SUICIDE note yet as the author i am its highest AUTHORITY once im deceased no standing is evidence based on the note alone forget a body giving 3rd dimension testimony a honey badger gets both in nature 3rd party gets stung

[allodial]

2. I strongly disagree with that statement. It has everything to do with the case.
....

Your birth certificate is an important legal document that establishes who you are, and when and where you were born. A birth certificate is required for many important applications like passport, the medical services plan, social insurance number, and school enrollment.

You see what the BC is evidencing? Who you are.
It makes you a third party to their affairs.
A cling-on.
Why do they want you in this position?
Because they need a surety.

Are you so sure? What name is on the Birth Certificate? What name is on the driver license? What name is on the phone bill? What name is on the passport (word and letter order matters)? Who has the competence to tell the difference between "John Henry Doe" and "John H. Doe" and "Doe John H." and "Doe John Henry" (Hooked On Phonics, anyone)? Who is lacking reading skills to the extent they might not be able see that those are all different names? In legal style in the USA and most all English-speaking jurisdictions, "H" would drop out. Abbreviations only hold up for popular acronyms like USA or NHL or UK. What if it is instead that John H Doe is at the DMV identified as the person holding the birth certificate?



(Rarely are birth certificate 'names' shown with any abbreviations. Note the uppercase nonetheless.)



Evidence of an entry in a register? What is the significance of 'being in that register'?

Your birth certificate is an important legal document that establishes who you are

[ Don't I establish who I are/is?]
What if presenting it instead of establishing your identity serves the purpose of establishing the particulars of the person whose estate you are administering? What if presenting the birth certificate is not at all different than presenting a Certificate of Incorporation from the Secretary of State?

I reiterate, the person named on the birth certificate is not likely ever presumed party as defendant to any court proceeding.

You see what the BC is evidencing? Who you are.
It makes you a third party to their affairs.
A cling-on.
Why do they want you in this position?
Because they need a surety.

They call the name JOHN H DOE not the name on the birth certificate. Simply put and restated (from above): if you answer in a "court" to the name John H Doe you will be taken to be surety or accommodation party for that person.

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Even if John H Doe is called for a child support case, the birth certificate they are looking at is that of the CHILD. Then they will look at the FATHER's (almost always the lowest name on the birth certificate--first in line surety--so much for "gender equality", eh?). Then they will look to find out who is the administrator for that FATHER person (psst! the DMV might have a clue).

If you really want to know who the birth certificate belongs to, you can ask the appropriate State official.

P.S. In many jurisdictions there is writing on a birth certificate that it is not to be used for ID --SS card was (and maybe still is) the same.

P.S.2: Vanity can be a liability.

[walter]

If a CLERK calls the NAME its 3RD party if otherwise tell me my court calamity is i am no person convey that and how a judge is inclined to re-present the NAME then enter a plea based on WHAT AUTHORITY i gave this 3rd party person their bc a dl a hydro bill it was kept and entered as evidence of what to me evident a person exists on paper only, if i regret writing a SUICIDE note yet as the author i am its highest AUTHORITY once im deceased no standing is evidence based on the note alone forget a body giving 3rd dimension testimony a honey badger gets both in nature 3rd party gets stung

A judge does not re-present the name.
The prosecutor does.
After all who brought the claim to court?

The judge enters a plea on the authority of administrator.

[allodial]

IMHO you're better off seeing the judge as a referee or arbiter (although membership on the Bar with the prosecuting attorney is a wee bit of conflict of interest). The prosecuting attorney is the plaintiff (revenue collector?) for all practical purposes.

Since the plaintiff is complaint-ive and the defendant is thereby accused (some say its related to the word 'accursed'). The court or tribunal might consist of the referee (judge) and the court clerk at the very least--psst the court building isn't the court. Consider the idea of rending a tennis court to resolve a dispute--and of course there is a fee to be paid the line judge and the score keeper to compensate them for their time.

Participation in the case and membership in the court are separate matters from the relationship between the alleged debtor and the alleged creditor.

[walter]

BC, DL, passport, phone bill , doesn't matter.
All are judicial persons. You own none of them, but you can be all of them.

Ask your self these questions with all the accounts listed above.
Who is the "accommodating party"?
Who's the "principal obligor"?
Who's the "secondary obligor"?