DL was NOT provided or used as ID

[EZrhythm]

Here's the thing though: what about when people reserve rights by altering (crossing out, rewriting) DL documents at the DMV -- aren't those docs their property too?

Not until you hand the document back to them with any desired edits.

[allodial]

Make copies, take pics.

The birth certificate afaik = State property. The name on the birth certificate = State property.

Afaik, private property (de jure) is not "in this State".

[Anthony Joseph]

ownership and property are two different things

non-living entities can hold "titles" (dead paper) in ownership; only man can make a claim (living voice) to property

[sambking]

"Individual" - what is the Federal definition of "individual"?


I understand the concept that the so-called "federal gov't" tried to propagate in the above Senate Doc #43 but it rests on the definition of the word "individual." Paul Andrew Mitchell's work explains with cited material why the "federal gov't's" use of the term "individual" circles back to the definition of small "c" "citizen"...meaning "federal citizen." For those interested in Mitchell's work simply google "supreme law dot org."

The above post also mentions that Paul Andrew Mitchell has been "indicted for obstruction of justice." Where is this written? I would like to know how this information was gathered.

Thanks,

Sam

[AllanNR]

I have my own account to add to this ongoing saga.

I got pulled over yesterday for speeding. Officer approached and waited while I gathered my documents. I noticed my licence had JUST expired last month on the 31st but I presented it anyway and said very loudly and clearly.
" I am not presenting this as identification, only to show competence", he replied "but this is your identifica...." to which I smiled at him and basically said whatever with a shrug of my shoulders. He says ok in a muted tone and walks back to run me through the system. 20 minutes later a patrol sergeant shows up and I say to myself "whichever way this goes this should get interesting". I see him poked into his patrolmans side window and then sticking his head out kinda giving me a mean look in the rearview to which I YAWN. PS walks over and says in a very polite tone "excuse me sir did you know your licence has expired" I replied "I JUST saw that now when I presented it". "Ok thank you" and walks away. 20 minutes later the patrolman walks back over with all my papers and nothing else. "I apologize for taking up your time and inconveniencing you sir" "we are having a computer glitch at the moment so were gonna let you go" " my sergeant is not happy about it". I smile and say thank you and actually share a laugh with the patrolman about safe driving and off I GO.

question: can I keep driving with an expired licence and just keep presenting it as proof of competence?

[Chex]

The catholic encyclopedia will tell you why.without respect to persons

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/453

[EZrhythm]

I got pulled over yesterday for speeding. Officer approached and waited while I gathered my documents.

... ... ...and walks back to run me through the system.

question: can I keep driving with an expired licence and just keep presenting it as proof of competence?

#1 - What documents? Could you provide a copy?

#2 - Runs what through the system? Your true name (First - Middle), name on documents?

#3 - Can you keep driving with an expired license? - Absolutely. Will the outcome always be the same as you experienced? It's possible but not likely across the board although you may have solid standing with your paperwork with certain agencies such as the one you ran in to. They may have been fibbing about the system being down or they weren't fibbing (most likely as I actually hear "system is down" on occasion) and used that as an excuse to let you go...not running your true name through if in fact that is what you provided.

* I state these things having much experienced with stops.

[AllanNR]

#1 - What documents? Could you provide a copy?

#2 - Runs what through the system? Your true name (First - Middle), name on documents?

#3 - Can you keep driving with an expired license? - Absolutely. Will the outcome always be the same as you experienced? It's possible but not likely across the board although you may have solid standing with your paperwork with certain agencies such as the one you ran in to. They may have been fibbing about the system being down or they weren't fibbing (most likely as I actually hear "system is down" on occasion) and used that as an excuse to let you go...not running your true name through if in fact that is what you provided.

* I state these things having much experienced with stops.

DL, registration, insurance and I redeem LM

[xparte]

Holding the expired DL is Travelling Dead as with respect to persons all are dead in law if the paper or D.L. is? or has? expired? only my competency is permitted or left to drive or travel whats the a valid safety issue are we still competent without respect to persons what validation do i need to renew my true name with myself without respect for persons my name appears on DL or it does,nt if every thing expires the driving test is void of a competent identification

[allodial]

#1 - What documents? Could you provide a copy?

#2 - Runs what through the system? Your true name (First - Middle), name on documents?

#3 - Can you keep driving with an expired license? - Absolutely. Will the outcome always be the same as you experienced? It's possible but not likely across the board although you may have solid standing with your paperwork with certain agencies such as the one you ran in to. They may have been fibbing about the system being down or they weren't fibbing (most likely as I actually hear "system is down" on occasion) and used that as an excuse to let you go...not running your true name through if in fact that is what you provided.

* I state these things having much experienced with stops.

AFAIK you can continue "driving" if you surrender your license. If you have reservations concerning your license you can make them known to the DMV or whatever it is otherwise they might regard you to be fully agreeable to "the contract". I traveled with a motorist competency card, once got bothered for no reason by a bored cop, two more showed up and a duty officer (many stripes) he told them to stop bothering me and told the one to give me an escort because I wasn't sure where a certain location was. Didn't provide any SSN or "State" ID. Also, as remains true to this day, wasn't a resident of that State at the time or of any of the 50 States.

[Chex]

PDF Address

[xparte]

As they say if your going to play a old record your stylist has to be sharp. Court is just venue a person is just a trust.Finger Prints are they a living Man,s or his created persona the Decedent's Trust is indemnity and identified salvage yet dead in law are ESTATE TRUSTS PERSONS are public trade what,s just when it comes to IDENTITY its just you and not me? If a private person is afforded the proper court venue his true identity is common knowledge his Name will be styled John Henry; Doe if [DOE JOHN HENRY] [JOHN HENRY DOE] [John H Doe] [John Henry DOE] and finally his true Name John Henry ;or JOHN HENRY; under governments authority we are all JUST DOING OUR JOBS who is it realy thats doing a poor job with RESPECT for persons that verbatim minus all the perry [masonic] mason cases without any instrument but a Christ complex a Man was never found guilty in JUST any PERSONS COURT the solution for any living Man is to find JUST that a 2nd and 3rd living Man or Woman acting like one [Joking ladies] So one gets herd not herded or driven to drive without a TITLE or give a Man,s personal will lent to a license to be traded on bonds NAMED and CHARGED TO SUIT A ORDER STUCK WITH A GOVERNMENT BILL foot print finger print FINE PRINT Its private like not for profit like Christ the name is just words find one thats true and cant hide behind a trust.empty loft or one for rent fill it with the truth and its rent free.air it out if it stinks a rock is what opens the window the broken record club what,s between shores .

[xparte]

[xparte]

P.S. Dont forget the connection between a driver license, State revenue

Appointing the DIRECTOR or REGISTRAR at the office of DMV to settle claims against the license and or its holder the driver has no fiduciary level is the babies diaper full who owns the diaper cant leave a mess why do they reinstate a dia per to bond and insure future movements who loves the mess cleans the mess. allodial thanks for dropping Fiduciary Names the babyshitters club I surrender or I appoint Alodi shuffle

[lorne]

Beat a traffic ticket today. http://s4.postimg.org/xl00sh4b1/20150722.jpg
Told the Clerk magistrate I was there by Restricted Appearance, I was True Name but the citation was issued to LEGAL NAME and was about to tell them how I identified to LEO at roadside, "I'm showing this DL for competency to drive not for ID," but before I could get it out the police officer started muttering "not responsible." The clerk looks at him like "Not responsible?" LEO: "Not responsible."

That was easy.