DL was NOT provided or used as ID

[motla68]

whoo boy, This card is not to be used for identification of the holder. HOLDER - have you just volunteered as Trustee in your desire to escape the frying pan...

This is friendly advice to keep you out of the [line of] fire

Someone I know on the land know as Florida signed the words " non assumpsit " only about a year ago, it has worked well for him so far.

[Rock Anthony]

Somebody PM'd me this - I believe because of this subject matter.

Richard Earl found that section of the Illinois Vehicle Code per a request I shouted on the ShoutBox. Thanks, Richard!

...speak up and say: " I do not consent to be recognised by the name and waive any benefit thereof".

Nice, motla68. I will use a variation of that for my next encounter with an LEO. On several occasions I instructed officers "not to use the DL for identification purposes." There's the old saying, "you get more with honey than you do with vinegar." That being said, rather than verbalizing instructions to LEOs, I'll just inform them of what I do and do not consent.

"This driver's license does not belong to me - it belongs to the State of Illinois. I do not consent to be identified by any of the images or markings on the driver's license other than the image of my signature found on the front-side bottom."

[shikamaru]

Someone I know on the land know as Florida signed the words " non assumpsit " only about a year ago, it has worked well for him so far.

You can get a rise out of the magistrate pleading "non-assumpsit by way of confession and avoidance" as well

[David Merrill]

I think the discussion avoids the fact that Anthony Joseph signed the Driver License Card Anthony Joseph. That signature is on the record with the Department of Revenue too. So if the cop on the stand cannot be considered trustworthy, the card in AJ's possession and the records from the DoR can be subpoenaed by Discovery.

[Rock Anthony]

whoo boy, This card is not to be used for identification of the holder. HOLDER - have you just volunteered as Trustee in your desire to escape the frying pan...

This is friendly advice to keep you out of the [line of] fire

I'll admit to not being much of a wordsmith. I've edited the verbiage in that post to better express the actual intent. Thanks, John Booth.

I think the discussion avoids the fact that Anthony Joseph signed the Driver License Card Anthony Joseph. That signature is on the record with the Department of Revenue too. So if the cop on the stand cannot be considered trustworthy, the card in AJ's possession and the records from the DoR can be subpoenaed by Discovery.

I guess what I propose goes more towards expressing intent in a way that would be more convincing to LEOs while on the side of the road. The officer ignored AJ's true name signature. But what if it was clearly stated on the DL that it is not to be used to identify the man that surrenders the DL. And what if a copy of the amended agreement is presented to the LEO. Perhaps things would be more likely to be handled at the roadside instead of in someone's brick-and-mortar courtroom. In other words, "Allright, I'm just going to issue a warning. Have a nice day!"

[Anthony Joseph]

I think the discussion avoids the fact that Anthony Joseph signed the Driver License Card Anthony Joseph. That signature is on the record with the Department of Revenue too. So if the cop on the stand cannot be considered trustworthy, the card in AJ's possession and the records from the DoR can be subpoenaed by Discovery.

Signed: Anthony Joseph d.b.a. ANTHONY XXXXXX

That is right, the STATE OF FLORIDA already recognizes the distinction between Anthony Joseph (living man) and the LEGAL M. NAME (TRUST vessel) as the agreement was signed in that manner, therefore, there is acquiescence to my declared character. The result (resulting trust) is that I am with standing and authority to refuse the trustee duties associated with any "charges" against that account. My declaration of that standing and authority is clear and undeniable as it resides in the cognizance of the United States at the clerk of the district court.

[David Merrill]

I guess what I propose goes more towards expressing intent in a way that would be more convincing to LEOs while on the side of the road. The officer ignored AJ's true name signature. But what if it was clearly stated on the DL that it is not to be used to identify the man that surrenders the DL. And what if a copy of the amended agreement is presented to the LEO. Perhaps things would be more likely to be handled at the roadside instead of in someone's brick-and-mortar courtroom. In other words, "Allright, I'm just going to issue a warning. Have a nice day!"

In practicality there is not enough room for much verbiage. In Colorado - at least around Colorado Springs suitors were signing:

Fairly quickly, after a few verbal skirmishes but with success the DoR swapped out the digital pads with much smaller ones. That is when we went to True Name signatures. Another thing now is that you wait for at least ten days and receive the new license card by mail. I suspect "non-assumpsit" and "without prejudice" are signature add-ons of the past. Likely you will not get your card at all until you correct the signature.

What I keep kicking myself about is that several months ago I received an email with a state statute that clearly said that the Driver License was not to be used for Identification Purposes! I don't recall saving it, and I have tried several times to find it and cannot. My memory is really good and I recall just letting it get by because of a priority-shift. Maybe a mood; I just thought, Every state has probably got a clause like this in the statutes and didn't bother saving it...

[Anthony Joseph]

UPDATE:

Well, as suspected, the STATE OF FLORIDA has decided to suspend/revoke the DL card I make use of. It is their card so they have the right to do with it what they please.



Now comes the matter of whether or not the county Sheriff and the court will remain in honor by not harassing me, or attempting to re-venue me, while I move on the common right of ways. My entire process is in the cognizance of the United States District court and the proper and lawful record of my timely refusals and notices are in the cognizance of all parties involved in this matter.

I will be carrying a voice recorder with me now in case of an encounter with an LEO at the roadside. I have ordered up a certificate of search for my true name from the district clerk of court and will be carrying that with me as well to offer any LEOs who attempt to disparage or assassinate my declared character of peaceful inhabitant on the land. Also, I ordered up a certified copy of my "NOTICE AND DEMAND OF LAWFUL MONEY" document filed into my evidence repository for another matter I am currently dealing with (mortgage scavenger). The notice shows my actions match my claim of peaceful inhabitant as I show my demand for lawful money in written form and on the record for all to see and know.

NOTICE AND DEMAND OF LAWFUL MONEY.doc

Copies of these certified documents will be presented to any LEO who attempts to gain jurisdiction over me. I may send copies of this entire process to the Judge Advocate General per the well informed instruction of Michael Joseph who offers that the Navy is the highest ranking authority on this land entrusted with the duty to keep the peace, and protect those who declare, and display by action, their character as being peaceful inhabitants on the land. Since Admiralty Law is the what is being enforced and administered in most cases, it seems logical that the JAG is responsible for ensuring that those who invoke Admiratly do not bring it upon the dry land against one who has undeniably established his/her character as being without the Federal Reserve Districts, and thusly, without Admiralty jurisdiction.

[allodial]

There are a variety of ways to deal with the signature line. If at a loss for space...

John Henry for the parties
John Henry for the driver
John Henry as Secured Party
John Henry as Claimant
John Henry as Agent

[ Believe it or not Doe is left out on purpose! ]

The following require more space:

John Henry for DOE JOHN H
John Henry for the State of California
John Henry d/b/a DOE JOHN H

I know of someone that has established that its, say,

House of Smith d/b/a
DOE JOHN H...

This was established by letterhead sent to the head of the DMV or the like.

If there is really a severe space restriction for 'signature', one could simply put:

DOE JOHN H
or
DOE JOHN H 1293993 {license or ID #}

Either way, one can within three days or so of filling out the app for a DL send a letter to the DMV (Director or Attorney) or SoS that might go along these lines:

John Henry of the Doe clan

To fiduciary agents/officers of the DMV:

This is to inform you that I, __________________, on behalf of

DOE JOHN H

and/or for

JOHN HENRY DOE
(CALIFORNIA) File # ______________

apply for {or renew or whatever} a CALIFORNIA IDENTIFICATION CARD.

I would not suggest a "true name" signature. True Name d/b/a ENTITY #3049494 is one thing. But merely signing True Name could put you in the position of accommodation party. IMHO its best to just put

DOE JOHN H #03949494
or
DOE JOHN H

for the signature if you are extremely pressed for space and to always subsequently notify the DMV of your power of attorney or some other claim---IN OTHER WORDS make it clear as pie without a bunch of blah blah blah Paytriot kitchen sinkage that John Henry was acting as Attorney-In-Fact in putting the signature of the ENTITY on the signature pad--as in so they cant presume otherwise. Alternatively or additionally one could file a fictitious name registration that shows say...

John Henry, c/o private 100 Main street, New York, New York not domestic

doing business as DOE JOHN H

Don't expect the lemming mindset to even remotely comprehend your exercise of brains. If you are having conceptual issues perhaps you are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

[EZrhythm]

In the past I have signed DL documents and the electronic pad, "Without Prejudice" and nothing else. Because that is only two words they must have glanced only enough to believe it was a name.

[allodial]

You're not the only one.

[allodial]

In practicality there is not enough room for much verbiage. In Colorado...

Walmart and the like sell sets of little tiny stickers that can be fixed to the back or center of a DL. Someone I know the Casino made her remove the sticker claiming that the ID scanner would not accept the sticker on the face (wording: "without prejudice") Alternatively, making very small, illegible marks via the signature pad...ya know...just a dot or two for a 'signature' an then using a fine magic marker to finish it off once the DL comes in the mail...well u get the idea.

Removing the laminate temporarily and writing directly on the plastic card is perhaps an option?

[Anthony Joseph]

UPDATE:

More evidence of intentional falsification of a Certificate of Search request; DISHONOR.

I sent a request for a Cetificate of Search on the true name Anthony Joseph on June 1st with explicit instructions as to how to perform it properly. See attached clerk instruction. I also provided them with example copies of a "falsified" search and the corrected search from the Colorado District court. Well, they sent me a certified copy of the search in the exact manner I instructed NOT to do. There can be no explanation but intentional falsification. I am sending it back to them with a request to "correct their mistake" in order to provide what I paid them for and to remain in honor. I instructed the clerk to file this entire process into my evidence repository.

Clerk Instruction_copies original sanitized.doc

Clerk Instruction_copies correction sanitized.doc

[David Merrill]

Good work! - AJ!

Keep it up. Keep us posted please.

[Anthony Joseph]

At least they got this right...



I will be publishing this locally at the county clerk of court and carrying a certified copy of it to give to any LEO I encounter as evidence that my actions match my words. As soon as I receive the corrected copy of the Certificate of Search, I will publish that as well so as to provide a certified copy of evidence that NO ONE has utilized the proper venue for making a claim against a man who declares himself as a peaceful inhabitant on the land.

See the banner of the website for the law regarding any attempted seizures on land.