DMV Certifications

[walter]

I've always had to turn in my old license to get a new one. They make sure that there is only one DL out per PERSON.

you don't have to in canada,
what if you lost it the day before?

I also heard of people using a photo copy of the dl to give to police when asked for it,
these people said when they were stopped for speeding and gave the photo copy that they didn't get a ticket,
can't prove it, just heard it,



another interesting story i heard just a couple months ago that happened locally,,
there was a young new driver and he was a native Indian got stopped for a broken tail light,
he was working as a mechanic and just did some work on a car and was taking it out for a test drive to make sure the work he did was ok,

he was pissed off at the cop,

the cop wrote him out the ticket and asked him to sign it,
there was a broken blue ink pen in the counsel so he grabbed it, rubbed ink on his finger and placed his thumb print on the signature line,

the cop looked at him confused and said wait here,

cop went to his car and after a couple minute came back and gave him the ticket and said have a nice day,

what was interesting here is the cop gave him the whole ticket with all the copies attached,
cop didn't kept the original or any copy, so no obligation to pay,



about finger prints:

i am trying to find some crown disclosure papers that were sent to me for a court case but i am having a hard time finding them right now,

it was a copy of an old court charge record that they were trying to connect to the new charges,
trying to create the connection with the criminal record to the man,

the interesting thing about it was there were words on it saying that the old charges could only be verified through a new set of finger prints from the new charges,

i never gave them finger prints for the new charges so the old charge could not be use or connected to the new charges,

the record could not be brought up in court because there was no joinder created,

this might be the reason why some states want the thumb print,

[David Merrill]

In Colorado you do not go to the DMV for a driver license:

Accordingly we connect the thumbprint with the initial novation of the footprints on the birth certificate. This nexus connects of course with the Department of Revenue and the IN GOD WE TRUST/SO HELP ME GOD agreement on fiat currency in America post-1861.

That is coherent with you swearing in as a public official and identifying yourself as a government official with official government ID.

[Seosaidh]

In Colorado you do not go to the DMV for a driver license:

Accordingly we connect the thumbprint with the initial novation of the footprints on the birth certificate. This nexus connects of course with the Department of Revenue and the IN GOD WE TRUST/SO HELP ME GOD agreement on fiat currency in America post-1861.

That is coherent with you swearing in as a public official and identifying yourself as a government official with official government ID.

In California, the state offers a state ID card. The DL is not an ID. Are you saying the thumbprint on the DL application then serves as identifying government personnel? I see your reasoning, but the DL is also linked with the Social Security account. If someone exercises the privilege of accepting the DL, what does it matter if he's a government person or not?

The way it looks to me is, I signed True Name, which is different than the FIRST MIDDLE LAST named on the license. My intent was to begin operating in society by my true name, and the DL was my first step. Interesting sidenote: Since I wasn't requjired to sign the certifications under penalty of perjury, I had expected the new license to be issued with my old signature. Just yesterday I received it in the mail, and it has my True Name signature.

At any rate, this has been a very thought provoking exercise for me. I've thoroughly enjoyed it, and am looking forward to expanding on this tiny beginning. I recognize now more than ever the importance of redeeming lawful money. I wish there was a less expensive way to form a competent record other than at District Court.

[Chex]

All identity management consists of two fundamental processes:

1) identification -- that is, identifying individuals by assigning attributes to them that are relevant for a given purpose -- e.g., name, age, address, account number, credit history, gender, photo, etc.; and

2) authentication -- i.e., later verifying online that someone claiming to be a previously identified person is, in fact, such person.

The key difference with a federated model is that at least three roles are involved:

1) subjects -- i.e., the persons being identified;

2) the identity provider, the entity that identifies the subjects and makes an assertion regarding their identity to third parties; and

3) the relying parties -- the third parties that rely on those identity assertions for the purpose of granting subjects access to the services or resources they provide.

This allows one organization to rely on identity assertions coming from a separate organization.

A familiar offline example of the federated model can be seen when a TSA agent at an airport (a relying party) relies on the identity assertion regarding the name of a subject contained in a driver's license issued by a state (an identity provider) to determine whether to allow the subject into the boarding area.

[Seosaidh]

Ironically, the information required for identification comes from the subject himself. So in the case of TSA, they are relying on the state's assertion, which is relying on the subjects assertion that he is whom he says he is, which was likely assserted under penalty of perjury.

The entire scenario is - in a certain sense - laughable. It reminds me of a story...

Just Another Tramp - The old man spoke loudly and often looked round, evidently wishing that as many as possible should hear him. "And have you long held this faith?" "I? A long time. This is the twenty-third year that they persecute me." "Persecute you? How?" "As they persecuted Christ, so they persecute me. They seize me, and take me before the courts and before the priests, the Scribes and the Pharisees. Once they put me into a madhouse; but they can do nothing because I am free. They say, 'What is your name?' thinking I shall name myself. But I do not give myself a name. I have given up everything: I have no name, no place, no country, nor anything. I am just myself. ' What is your name?' 'Man.' 'How old are you?' I say, 'I do not count my years and cannot count them, because I always was, I always shall be.' 'Who are your parents?' 'I have no parents except God and Mother Earth. God is my father.' 'And the Tsar? Do you recognise the Tsar?' they say. I say, 'Why not? He is his own Tsar, and I am my own Tsar." - Leo Tolstoy

[David Merrill]

In California, the state offers a state ID card. The DL is not an ID. Are you saying the thumbprint on the DL application then serves as identifying government personnel? I see your reasoning, but the DL is also linked with the Social Security account. If someone exercises the privilege of accepting the DL, what does it matter if he's a government person or not?

The way it looks to me is, I signed True Name, which is different than the FIRST MIDDLE LAST named on the license. My intent was to begin operating in society by my true name, and the DL was my first step. Interesting sidenote: Since I wasn't requjired to sign the certifications under penalty of perjury, I had expected the new license to be issued with my old signature. Just yesterday I received it in the mail, and it has my True Name signature.

At any rate, this has been a very thought provoking exercise for me. I've thoroughly enjoyed it, and am looking forward to expanding on this tiny beginning. I recognize now more than ever the importance of redeeming lawful money. I wish there was a less expensive way to form a competent record other than at District Court.

In Colorado you do not have to give a SSN to get a driver license.

(3) (a) Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection (3), an application for a driver's or minor driver's license shall include the applicant's social security number, which shall remain confidential and shall not be placed on the applicant's driver's or minor driver's license; except that such confidentiality shall not extend to the state child support enforcement agency, the department, or a court of competent jurisdiction when requesting information in the course of activities authorized under article 13 of title 26, C.R.S., or article 14 of title 14, C.R.S. If the applicant does not have a social security number, the applicant shall submit a sworn statement made under penalty of law, together with the application, stating that the applicant does not have a social security number.

Therefore be careful about what you get tricked into as "voluntary". That nexus is there but I do not understand what Social Security has to do with operating a motor vehicle.

[Seosaidh]

In Colorado you do not have to give a SSN to get a driver license.

It may be that way here in California too. Too late for me now. I gave them the number years ago.

Therefore be careful about what you get tricked into as "voluntary". That nexus is there but I do not understand what Social Security has to do with operating a motor vehicle.

I don't understand the nexus either, except that maybe it's another way of tracking revenue. I was reading somewhere the other day that when driver licenses first began coming into being, safety wasn't even part of the program. It was only after the first few decades that they began testing for competency.

[David Merrill]

It may be that way here in California too. Too late for me now. I gave them the number years ago.



I don't understand the nexus either, except that maybe it's another way of tracking revenue. I was reading somewhere the other day that when driver licenses first began coming into being, safety wasn't even part of the program. It was only after the first few decades that they began testing for competency.

That is the conditioning! It is difficult to see through it - to claw your way through the disguise.

What the statute tells us in other words is that the Department of Revenue is required to accept answorn affidavit. [That is the revelation I just got anyway!] How about that? So let that sink in for a good night's sleep.

In other words if that is not your Social Security Number why are you allowing them to keep the impression that it is? They seem to be holding it over you somehow that your driving skills and competency (financially with insurance) are related to a genuine income tax called Social Security. To me, without a Social Security Number, that is an insurance policy with that account number for when I get old or physically incapacitated.

From that 1984 Article about Abolishing the Fed:

Notice all the case law prior to 1933 which affirms that income is a profit or gain which arises from a government granted privilege. After 1933, however, the case law no longer emphatically declares that income is exclusively corporate profit or that it arises from a privilege. So, what changed? Two years after H.J.R. 192, Congress passed the Social Security Act, which the Supreme Court upheld as a valid act imposing a valid income tax: 'Charles C. Steward Mach. Co. v, Davis' 301 U.S. 548 (1937).

So let's say I have an insurance policy... for in case I get too old for work. Let's pretend there is something like that. Better yet, let's say if I should injure myself so that I cannot continue in my window cleaning career - something like that. Now we should have a policy number for making claims. Even if the carrier wants to have that SSN sequence of digits, it is not a Social Security Number - it is a policy number.

I lead a very interesting life. It has always been like that. I call it the Holy Spirit because I began my spiritual vision quest or whatever when I was about twelve, watching that serial Kung Fu and reading the Tao Te Ching and so forth. I was enrolling for classes at Colorado State University and waited in line to get my Student ID. As I got close a news crew was setting up a camera and they turned it on as I finished filling out the Form and handed it over and they stamped out an ID Card. Then they turned the camera off and left. I was on the News getting my Student Identification Number. But what I wonder if you get is that the sequence of digits was never my Social Security Number - it was my Student Identification Number.

This is what I do. I induce miracles - changes in perception. Maybe you can understand why I do this better?



Regards,

David Merrill.

[Seosaidh]

That is the conditioning! It is difficult to see through it - to claw your way through the disguise.

What the statute tells us in other words is that the Department of Revenue is required to accept answorn affidavit. [That is the revelation I just got anyway!] How about that? So let that sink in for a good night's sleep.

In other words if that is not your Social Security Number why are you allowing them to keep the impression that it is? They seem to be holding it over you somehow that your driving skills and competency (financially with insurance) are related to a genuine income tax called Social Security. To me, without a Social Security Number, that is an insurance policy with that account number for when I get old or physically incapacitated.

From that 1984 Article about Abolishing the Fed:




So let's say I have an insurance policy... for in case I get too old for work. Let's pretend there is something like that. Better yet, let's say if I should injure myself so that I cannot continue in my window cleaning career - something like that. Now we should have a policy number for making claims. Even if the carrier wants to have that SSN sequence of digits, it is not a Social Security Number - it is a policy number.

I lead a very interesting life. It has always been like that. I call it the Holy Spirit because I began my spiritual vision quest or whatever when I was about twelve, watching that serial Kung Fu and reading the Tao Te Ching and so forth. I was enrolling for classes at Colorado State University and waited in line to get my Student ID. As I got close a news crew was setting up a camera and they turned it on as I finished filling out the Form and handed it over and they stamped out an ID Card. Then they turned the camera off and left. I was on the News getting my Student Identification Number. But what I wonder if you get is that the sequence of digits was never my Social Security Number - it was my Student Identification Number.

This is what I do. I induce miracles - changes in perception. Maybe you can understand why I do this better?



Regards,

David Merrill.

David, I admire what you do, and respect the way you present concepts in new and interesting ways. Sometimes I have to re-read your posts a number of times, considering your words from various perspectives, until I finally get your point. But that reflects on my inability to understand, more than anything.

For now, I'm willing to accept being branded with a number. I know it's a matter of perception, and that I could choose to completely disassociate myself from the SSN, but I do not yet know how to operate in society efficiently without it. So for the time being, I'm choosing rather to learn what it takes to live without it, before I go off the reservation.

[BONMAN]

[Chex]

http://www.dmv.org/vital-records/birth-certificates.php

http://www.vitalchek.com/birth-certificates/tennessee/memphis-and-shelby-county-health-department

If you cannot obtain a birth certificate that meets these requirements, please see Secondary Evidence Updated April 28, 2011 http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_5401.htmlhttp://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/51.42

New Requirement for U.S. Birth Certificates Updated March 23, 2011

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2710797/posts

No passport shall be granted or issued to or verified for any other persons than those owing allegiance, whether citizens or not, to the United States. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/212

owing allegiance, whether citizens or not, to the United States

http://www.google.com/search?q=owing+allegiance%2C+whether+citizens+or+not%2C+to+the+United+States&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7MEDA

Overview: http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/alienhttp://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11...tizen_defined/http://uscode.regstoday.com/22USC_CHAPTER4.aspx

Funny that title 22 is not http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/wys...law-titles.pdf

So if you feel that America is not a Constitutional Republic . . .http://thebilzerianreport.com/americ...t-a-democracy/ & http://www.infowars.com/america-is-a...t-a-democracy/

take the oath and be done with it:

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00b92ca60aRCRD


"An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C). and be a employee http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/3401

[BONMAN]

[Chex]

Both are corporations

BOTH ARE CORPORATIONS. Agreed

agency

On a federal level too.
Administrative Procedure Act: Title 5 - United States Code - Chapter 5, sections 511-599 http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/bills/blapa.htmhttp://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/5/I/5/II/551

(2) "person" includes an individual, partnership, corporation, association, or public or private organization other than an agency;

(2) "party" includes a person or agency named or admitted as a party, or properly seeking and entitled as of right to be admitted as a party, in an agency proceeding, and a person or agency admitted by an agency as a party for limited purposes;

(8) "license" includes the whole or a part of an agency permit, certificate, approval, registration, charter, membership, statutory exemption or other form of permission;

(9) "licensing" includes agency process respecting the grant, renewal, denial, revocation, suspension, annulment, withdrawal, limitation, amendment, modification, or conditioning of a license;

On the state level:
The State of Illinois requires most businesses to register with the State. For example, to form a corporation, LLC or limited partnership you must register with the State; however, even if you are a sole proprietorship or general partnership, you must register your business with the city or county if you operate under a name different than the name of the owners of the company.

Article I. Issuance of Licenses Expiration and Renewal: http://law.onecle.com/illinois/625ilcs5/index6.html

Confirmed here (c) Identification Card. A document made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, the State of Illinois or any other state or political subdivision thereof, or any governmental or quasi-governmental organization that, when completed with information concerning the individual, is of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purpose of identifying the individual. (Source: P.A. 89-283, eff. 1-1-96.) http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs...eqEnd=90800000

I really like this one. What persons are exempt. The following persons are exempt from the requirements of Section 6-101 and are not required to have an Illinois drivers license... http://law.onecle.com/illinois/625ilcs5/6-102.html

5. A resident of this State who has been serving as a member of the Armed Forces of the United States outside the Continental limits of the United States, for a period of 90 days following his return to the continental limits of the United States.

(c) Identification Card. A document made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, the State of Illinois or any other state or political subdivision thereof, or any governmental or quasi-governmental organization that, when completed with information concerning the individual, is of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purpose of identifying the individual. http://law.onecle.com/illinois/625ilcs5/6-100.html

Group B. Who said the BC is NOT the form of identification?

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_x173.pdf

Can dun and Bradstreet be wrong? Confirmed here: http://www.manta.com/c/mm82whc/secre...state-illinois

Dun and Bradstreet: http://creditreports.dnb.com/webapp/...lookup_-topbar



August 3, 1998

The Hippocratic Oathhttp://www.aapsonline.org/index.php/...for_obamacare/

[walter]

BLACKS 1910
LICENSE. In the law of contracts.
A permission, accorded by a competent authority,
conferring the right to do some act

competent authority, eh,

how did they become an authority?

[shikamaru]

competent authority, eh,

how did they become an authority?

Claim ... assumption ... followed by acquiescence of others....