No pleading.

[Frederick Burrell]

Money is just a medium of exchange. Nothing more. I use it to exchange my energies for the energies of someone else, in a convenient fashion. It can be abused just like any other creation of man. But the abuse by men does not make money "evil". Take it for what it is and use it correctly and honorable and I can see no problem with money. The problem exists in the way in which it is being used today as a tool of manipulation, control and war, economically. The mistake it would seem is that the people were sold out by those they placed their Trust in. You seem to believe that there is some kind system in place, placed by men in high places, that will lead to a solution, redemption. I think it is up to us, to stop supporting a the system in place now. One way is to stop using their money. FRN. Don't play word games with me in regards to my understanding of what your group is about. "You asked me to tell you this". Please explain where I am misinterpreting what you are saying. FB

[motla68]

It seems to me that you and the group are saying if you surrender everything to the state, embrace the socialism, communism, give all you energies to the state and support the rape of the people they will leave you alone. Hmmm, Not sure thats what the founding fathers had in mind. Just my para-phasing of what I'm hearing so far. Tell me I am wrong. fb

Your wrong. ... you asked me to say this to you, am only giving what you asked for so please [for]give me.

It would sure seen this way, on one point about this I could say it is returning the money back to the paper creator and correcting a mistake that this is what you never intended to receive, protesting what has been done with the money supply in a sense. On another note you could also says it is not what my creator intended for me. If it comes against my neighbor I do not want it. Make sense?

[Frederick Burrell]

It seems to me that you and the group are saying if you surrender everything to the state, embrace the socialism, communism, give all you energies to the state and support the rape of the people they will leave you alone. Hmmm, Not sure thats what the founding fathers had in mind. Just my para-phasing of what I'm hearing so far. Tell me I am wrong. fb

[motla68]

There never has been a time in my life where I did not allow the spirit to guide my life. While it would seem that different people are at different points in their understanding, it would seem that all those truly seeking will find. I can only act on what spirit has shone to me. Since I was not raised in a particular belief I find that many have the brain washing of the religions to over come as well. In truth your friend. While I do feel that some of the teaching in the bible are superior to some others. One for instance that is often miss understood according to my understanding, Is the new testament of forgiveness. Forgiveness it would seem transmutes the law (eye for eye) or in other words the law of karma, cause and effect. This it would seem is the foundation stone of what is being expressed in the story of the life and teachings of Jesus. I travail in birth pains until Christ be formed in you. fb

Follow the forgiveness in the book of life and that shall take you one step further in your understandings. God's peace to you.

[motla68]

I do believe what you are proposing has been tried before and while it might work in a perfect world, communalism seems to have failed where attempted, due to our short comings.
Wasn't communalism what was practiced by the early christians also. fb

Yes, we have abandoned it, but it has always been there for us to restore, just like the lawful money issue.

Communalism I believe has taken on another form and I see it slowly spreading internationally, that would be Egalitarianism.
It pretty much is in the spirit of the old woman in the bible who gave all she had to the temple and where the rich man gave little. Who do you think had more people at their funeral?

I also see some small groups effortlessly working to bring back the equity courts, sometimes you got to take 1 step back to take 2 steps forward.

[Frederick Burrell]

Yes, public money = lawful money, public offerings.

1 Timothy 5:21
I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Partiality means of " private interests ". so by deconstruction here we could actually say: "doing nothing by private interests", do not let EGO control you and come against your neighbor.
Let God be the judge of all things even if your neighbor does not. Your neighbor will dig their own hole if they use their free will of choice to be ignorant an be judged by the one most high.

Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

You may not be ready for it yet, but I would go as far as to say: " why should we need any money at all if everything were publicly shared?"
What is private is the relationship between you and your creator, let the conscious spirit be your guide NOT the rule of law in someone else's relationship.
Whom do you TRUST?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkyMYKoSG7o

There never has been a time in my life where I did not allow the spirit to guide my life. While it would seem that different people are at different points in their understanding, it would seem that all those truly seeking will find. I can only act on what spirit has shone to me. Since I was not raised in a particular belief I find that many have the brain washing of the religions to over come as well. In truth your friend. While I do feel that some of the teaching in the bible are superior to some others. One for instance that is often miss understood according to my understanding, Is the new testament of forgiveness. Forgiveness it would seem transmutes the law (eye for eye) or in other words the law of karma, cause and effect. This it would seem is the foundation stone of what is being expressed in the story of the life and teachings of Jesus. I travail in birth pains until Christ be formed in you. fb

[Frederick Burrell]

Yes, public money = lawful money, public offerings.

1 Timothy 5:21
I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Partiality means of " private interests ". so by deconstruction here we could actually say: "doing nothing by private interests", do not let EGO control you and come against your neighbor.
Let God be the judge of all things even if your neighbor does not. Your neighbor will dig their own hole if they use their free will of choice to be ignorant an be judged by the one most high.

Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

You may not be ready for it yet, but I would go as far as to say: " why should we need any money at all if everything were publicly shared?"
What is private is the relationship between you and your creator, let the conscious spirit be your guide NOT the rule of law in someone else's relationship.
Whom do you TRUST?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkyMYKoSG7o

I do believe what you are proposing has been tried before and while it might work in a perfect world, communalism seems to have failed where attempted, due to our short comings.

Wasn't communalism what was practiced by the early christians also. fb

[motla68]

So are you saying that when you use the private side of money you are in fact becoming an enemy of the original lawful government.fb

Yes, public money = lawful money, public offerings.

1 Timothy 5:21
I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Partiality means of " private interests ". so by deconstruction here we could actually say: "doing nothing by private interests", do not let EGO control you and come against your neighbor.
Let God be the judge of all things even if your neighbor does not. Your neighbor will dig their own hole if they use their free will of choice to be ignorant an be judged by the one most high.

Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

You may not be ready for it yet, but I would go as far as to say: " why should we need any money at all if everything were publicly shared?"
What is private is the relationship between you and your creator, let the conscious spirit be your guide NOT the rule of law in someone else's relationship.
Whom do you TRUST?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkyMYKoSG7o

[Frederick Burrell]

So are you saying that when you use the private side of money you are in fact becoming an enemy of the original lawful government.fb

[motla68]

So, my questions was regards to who they ( the one that the presidents protected us from?) are and when we became enemy combatants. As good as any place to start. unless you would like to start at another place. But this to me seems to be a critical juncture, in regards to where we find ourselves today. FB

Obadiah 1:10 - 11
For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever. In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.

When you use the private side of the bank, FRNS not lawful money, credit cards not debit cards, loans instead of deposits by Federal Reserve Act you come against your neighbor and cause him to be taxed greater. Do not be concerned what the neighbor does, that judgement shall rest upon their shoulders when that day comes.

[motla68]

Rhino skin is needed. Frederick Burrell

PS mom was wrong about a lot of things.

Yes, she has been quite the entertainment over the years. We know now eggs do not come from bunnies. LOL Perhaps her goal was to help use keep the mind alive by always thinking outside of the box?

[Frederick Burrell]

So, my questions was regards to who they ( the one that the presidents protected us from?) are and when we became enemy combatants. As good as any place to start. unless you would like to start at another place. But this to me seems to be a critical juncture, in regards to where we find ourselves today. FB

[Frederick Burrell]

Rhino skin is needed. Frederick Burrell

PS mom was wrong about a lot of things.

[motla68]

Please put a link to it up here please, when you do, if you have...
Thanks, mot!

Ok, but just remember if there is any more complaints blame it on MJ he is the one that brought me in here. I guess maybe he did not want to be the first to get a pie in the face over this!
Mom always said " if you do not have anything nice to say, do not say it at all."
LOL..

Seriously though I do think he meant well by it.

[doug-again]

I think it would be best if I started a new thread on this to answer your question, that way everything is in one thread instead of scattered about

Please put a link to it up here please, when you do, if you have...
Thanks, mot!
EDIT: If you haven't read this thread yet, you might wanna skip now to page 4, post#40. mot did not start a new thread; and things promptly went nowhere.