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  • Anthony Joseph

    #16
    stand on your claim, as a man, to what is rightfully your property [the fruits of your energy and labor]

    be sure your claim causes no harm to another man; or, injury to his/her claimed property [do unto others...]

    if someone makes a claim against you, make it right if you believe you have caused harm or injury to another man

    if you believe there is no harm or injury, require the claimant verify his/her claim and bring forth proof and evidence of a debt due or a wrong committed

    'IRS', 'UNITED STATES', 'STATE OF XXXX', etc. do not have living voice [cannot verify] and cannot be harmed [2 dimensional] by you [3 dimensional]; require the man or woman who contacted you to verify what he/she claims with full liability

    this is simple folks

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    • ag maniac
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 263

      #17
      Originally posted by fano24chevy View Post
      Today I am also demanding lawful money, from this day forward. Evidence provided through a rent check with "lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions USC 411 and 95a(2)" and a cash deposit slip with the same, both scanned. I am a CTC casualty, and that has cost me dearly. The demand to NOT play the FRN side of a dollar bill makes perfect sense.

      Going to alter the signature card at my bank as well. What about the checks that are direct deposits from my "employer"?

      Some of the other steps are still fuzzy, and I believe others have mentioned the trail is hard to follow. Any suggestions that are only opinions and not legal opinions, of course!

      Thank you Jesus!

      If you wanted to, you could access your bank account from home via computer.....and on each entry for transactions there should be an icon to send a message to whomever @ the bank.....make your demand there....but before clicking "send", print out a copy for yourself.

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      • cmm4191
        Junior Member
        • Oct 2013
        • 14

        #18
        Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
        The Notice and Demand is effective notification. The amount of evidence you want to present to the IRS is up for debate. Doug is minimalist and some suitors document the 1040 extensively. The Libel of Review as a counterclaim clearly makes a claim and you issue a true judgment too. Issue of such process seems to validate the 'diversity of citizenship' issue quite clearly for the suitor. It stands as a basis for Refusal for Cause.

        I read about me over on Lost Horizons - Pete's Cracking the Code website. He coined a term for this, what we do over here. It did not make any sense to me so I forget, like trying to memorize a quote in a foreign language...
        So if i claimed lawful money on my paychecks then deposited into my bank account witch was opened it federal reserve notes is that bad?

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        • JohnnyCash

          #19
          Originally posted by cmm4191 View Post
          So if i claimed lawful money on my paychecks then deposited into my bank account witch was opened it federal reserve notes is that bad?
          Are you from Salem?

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          • doug555
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 418

            #20
            Originally posted by JohnnyCash View Post
            Are you from Salem?
            which witch is which? you are too funny JohnnyCash... ROFL Thanks for the humor... I needed that today!

            To answer the question though: No, it does not matter. You can use your existing bank accounts.

            You now have substantive evidence per FRE 803(6)(B) that:
            "lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 USC 411, 95a(2)"

            Remember that date! It is the date of your DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE from the FED!

            See here for more info.

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            • ag maniac
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 263

              #21
              Originally posted by doug555 View Post
              .....See here for more info.
              ....in the middle of that page-link
              .....which will be redeemed by the IRS via 1040 Form on Line 21, which will be the grand total of all amounts of all transactions for the tax year, starting from your starting date.

              I've been meaning to ask this question....

              I've seen the examples of the 1040's & lawful money schedules on this forum.......but the bolded above implies I am to include all purchase transactions (and not just paycheck/deposits) on Line 21 also?? Meaning if I deposited 20,000 and spent every last cent of that, I would be claiming 40,000 on Line 21?

              I know it's been discussed that when we spend Lawful Money, it goes back out "into the wild" as FRN's....so how does this reconcile, if at all?

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              • doug555
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 418

                #22
                Originally posted by ag maniac View Post

                Quote Originally Posted by doug555
                .....See here for more info.
                ....in the middle of that page-link

                .....which will be redeemed by the IRS via 1040 Form on Line 21, which will be the grand total of all amounts of all transactions for the tax year, starting from your starting date.
                I've been meaning to ask this question....

                I've seen the examples of the 1040's & lawful money schedules on this forum.......but the bolded above implies I am to include all purchase transactions (and not just paycheck/deposits) on Line 21 also?? Meaning if I deposited 20,000 and spent every last cent of that, I would be claiming 40,000 on Line 21?

                I know it's been discussed that when we spend Lawful Money, it goes back out "into the wild" as FRN's....so how does this reconcile, if at all?
                VERY Good question! My above statement is intended only for "income-tax" related transactions - not subsequent "purchase" transactions. That "income" (and all "withholding" transactions directly-related thereto) is now "washed" clean by the 1040, and is now lawful money and transactions in that lawful money thereafter do NOT require to be washed again BY YOU when they are spent. The system, however, if IT still presumes and uses that money as FRN's, is responsible for making those adjustments, as the Trustees in their system.

                IMO.

                Does that sound right to you?
                Last edited by doug555; 02-09-14, 04:35 PM.

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                • ag maniac
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 263

                  #23
                  That sounds right doug.....& I've always understood the rationale about making LM demands on purchase transactions to build/supplement evidence relating to all/any other LM demands. As I mentioned on another post for people w/ direct deposit, should they feel inclined, they can message their bank via the computer account interface regarding LM & direct deposits....print it out before sending the message for one's own evidence.

                  thanx !
                  Last edited by ag maniac; 02-06-14, 11:25 PM.

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                  • cmm4191
                    Junior Member
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 14

                    #24
                    Originally posted by doug555 View Post
                    which witch is which? you are too funny JohnnyCash... ROFL Thanks for the humor... I needed that today!

                    To answer the question though: No, it does not matter. You can use your existing bank accounts.

                    You now have substantive evidence per FRE 803(6)(B) that:
                    "lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 USC 411, 95a(2)"

                    Remember that date! It is the date of your DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE from the FED!

                    See here for more info.
                    It still feels like i am missing something , is there anything else i should do? I feel like i am missing something is there better ways to document prove the use of lawful money. should i also file something with my county to make sure to tie up any lose ends?


                    I have most of the steps down : write lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 usc 411 , 95a (2) on my paychecks .write down on line 21 of the 1040 lawful money reduction , and write out a supporting schedule , and staple copies of all my checks with the supporting schedule , and a copy of title 12 united states code section 411 to the 1040 . if i am missing something please let me know , thanks.

                    also i feel like if i sign my legal name to the checks it could be a problem for me i was thinking about signing my true name but signing it really sloppy to trick the teller into believing it was my legal name could this work ?

                    Also where does it state lawful money cannot be taxed? I should probably print out that law too and attach to my 1040
                    Last edited by cmm4191; 02-13-14, 06:30 AM.

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                    • David Merrill
                      Administrator
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 5949

                      #25
                      The Lesson Plan is three parts:
                      1) True Identity
                      2) Record Forming
                      3) Redeeming Lawful Money


                      1) After walking hundreds of people through this Lesson Plan for nearly 15 years it becomes clear that any one part is no less important than any other. Consistently the suitors who have success with this Lesson Plan will be called by their True Names in all settings and only use their Legal or Full Names when referring to the contractual setting.

                      2) You are hashing through Record Forming in your post above.

                      3) Here is some Crosstalk from a suitors' broadcast conversation:


                      Dear Suitors;


                      I am reminded lately of the suitor who was opening trust accounts for folks and had a total of ten at one bank in particular. Suddenly the branch manager began demanding that nobody was allowed to write the non-endorsement verbiage on checks and signature cards. As these account holders insisted that the branch manager was not in capacity to dictate how they signed their names the accounts were suddenly closed down and three employees were terminated.

                      Endorsement is definitely a signature bond made to substantiate collateral for the extra funds above and beyond the initial creation of each dollar, created by fractional lending. When we demand lawful money, we withdraw this bonding and demand our funds be special deposit. It can be big trouble when a significant amount (ten accounts) of funds are being commingled into the regular endorsed funds held in reserve for fractional lending purposes.


                      Regards,

                      David Merrill.
                      www.lawfulmoneytrust.com
                      www.bishopcastle.us
                      www.bishopcastle.mobi

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                      • cmm4191
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2013
                        • 14

                        #26
                        Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
                        The Lesson Plan is three parts:
                        1) True Identity
                        2) Record Forming
                        3) Redeeming Lawful Money


                        1) After walking hundreds of people through this Lesson Plan for nearly 15 years it becomes clear that any one part is no less important than any other. Consistently the suitors who have success with this Lesson Plan will be called by their True Names in all settings and only use their Legal or Full Names when referring to the contractual setting.

                        2) You are hashing through Record Forming in your post above.

                        3) Here is some Crosstalk from a suitors' broadcast conversation:
                        yes i am still saving up for the libel of review lesson plan as fast as i can

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                        • doug555
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 418

                          #27
                          Originally posted by cmm4191 View Post
                          It still feels like i am missing something , is there anything else i should do? I feel like i am missing something is there better ways to document prove the use of lawful money. should i also file something with my county to make sure to tie up any lose ends?


                          I have most of the steps down : write lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 usc 411 , 95a (2) on my paychecks .write down on line 21 of the 1040 lawful money reduction , and write out a supporting schedule , and staple copies of all my checks with the supporting schedule , and a copy of title 12 united states code section 411 to the 1040 . if i am missing something please let me know , thanks.

                          also i feel like if i sign my legal name to the checks it could be a problem for me i was thinking about signing my true name but signing it really sloppy to trick the teller into believing it was my legal name could this work ?

                          Also where does it state lawful money cannot be taxed? I should probably print out that law too and attach to my 1040
                          See Affidavit in Support at County Registrar example...

                          See M'CULLOCH v. STATE, 17 U.S. 316 (1819) for tax issue...

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                          • ag maniac
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 263

                            #28
                            Moxie, possibly to clarify for you, I posed a similar question to doug555 on another thread, and his reply follows:

                            Originally posted by doug555 View Post
                            VERY Good question! My above statement is intended only for "income-tax" related transactions - not subsequent "purchase" transactions. That "income" (and all "withholding" transactions directly-related thereto) is now "washed" clean by the 1040, and is now lawful money and transactions in that lawful money thereafter do NOT require to be washed again BY YOU when they are spent. The system, however, if IT still presumes and uses that money as FRN's, is responsible for making those adjustments, as the Trustees in their system.

                            IMO.

                            Does that sound right to you?

                            However, I sense you may be inquiring about legal and equitable titles being merged into your possession simply by using LM and Full Discharge to purchase things. It all seems to check out on paper and in theory, BUT they get to presume whatever it is they want.

                            They don't care if they dishonor you -- they're thieves & liars and all else manner of ill. What they do -- they live it and breathe it & believe in it.

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                            • Moxie
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2013
                              • 207

                              #29
                              Thank you, Maniac

                              I don't have a mortgage or car payment, and never plan to, but my question helps me explore the boundaries of lawful money better.

                              Especially for the benefit of others with house and car payments who are looking for relief.
                              It's easier to fool people than to convince people they've been fooled. ~ Mark Twain

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                              • Chex
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 1032

                                #30
                                Originally posted by ag maniac View Post
                                They don't care if they dishonor you -- they're thieves & liars and all else manner of ill. What they do -- they live it and breathe it & believe in it.
                                Hold them (whoever) accountable and make it well know in a court of law and use the media.
                                "And if I could I surely would Stand on the rock that Moses stood"

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