Who is off the taxpaying hook?

[bobbinville]

Some years ago, my wife wanted to get several thousand dollars out of our then-bank for various reasons, and she wanted the money in the form of bank checks. The bank wanted to sock her with a fee for each check (fees are the prime reason why we no longer bank there); so my wife said "fine. I'll take the money in cash." A little while later, she had her checks. The reason, apparently, is that the bank needed a certain amount of cash on hand to meet the needs of its customers; and if a large amount is needed, the bank will ask for sufficient time to assemble the necessary cash. I suspect that this might have been one of the factors on why Chex had such a hard time (another, especially for older people, is that the bank might be trying to protect them against a scam like the 4-1-9 scam.

This is why I avoid large banks like the plague -- they "fee" you to death. I bank at a three-branch bank where everyone knows you; and while it is less convenient than the Takeit Bank or the Leaveit Bank, I'm much happier there.

I do agree that, if Chex didn't want to disclose the reason for wanting the $18,000, the bank had no business for demanding it.

[JohnnyCash]

Let me guess, Pottapaug. Was it Fleet Bank (aka Fleece Bank)?

[shikamaru]

If you bank at HSBC in England, ( no NOT just England, have a friend that happened to him in the united statesmaybe even a permission sliphttp://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...222425920.html

Started to read the replies like this

This happened to me in Buffalo NY at HSBC and at First Niagara. I had to withdraw 18,000 dollars in cash to pay for a home I bought at auction. We all know auctions are cash only, no checks or credit cards. They refused to give me my own money. so I did what any rational person would do. I asked for my account to be closed and for them to provide me with a cashiers check for my money. They then wanted to give me my withdrawal. But too late. I was already #$%$. I walked out the bank with my entire account balance of over 109,990 dollars in savings and also closed out all cd's and other financial products. When they ask you why you need your money, tell them to mind their own effin business and stick to banking, leave financial literacy to the consumer.

The best one is from Patrick the most replied one saying The nerve of these customers. You'd think it was their money. then the commemts

Your money in someone else's vault isn't your money .

This is why one practices private banking .

[allodial]

The IRS isn't full of bad persons. I've met and interacted with some very helpful and knowledgable IRS and Treasury Folk. With the emphasis on the IRS, one might do well to remember that a great deal of tax is paid in the form of GST, VAT, sales/use tax, state income tax, county/state/city property tax--not to mention fines and fees. If you make $40K in income in the USA, it might be divvied up between FICA, IRS Income Tax, State Income Tax, State sales/use tax, water/sewer fees or taxes. Its not all about the IRS.

Without those state or municipal taxes or fees, many state or local services would likely cease to exist unless some other source of funding was made available.

[Michael Joseph]

It is important to understand the difference between taxation and theft. Taxation is allowed by law, whereas theft is not. Knowledge of the truth cuts theft revenue, not tax revenue.

Look up the Feudal system. Specifically look for Villein.

[doug555]

Look up the Feudal system. Specifically look for Villein.

http://www.meetup.com/National-Liber...read/41460432/

An excerpt from above post re: sovereignty of the people:

It will be sufficient to observe briefly that the sovereignties in Europe, and particularly in England, exist on feudal principles. That system considers the Prince as the sovereign, and the people as his subjects; it regards his person as the object of allegiance, and excludes the idea of his being on an equal footing with a subject, either in a court of justice or elsewhere. That system contemplates him as being the fountain of honor and authority, and from his grace and grant derives all franchises, immunities and privileges; it is easy to perceive that such a sovereign could not be amenable to a court of justice, or subjected to judicial controul and actual constraint. It was of necessity, therefore, that suability became incompatible with such sovereignty. Besides, the Prince having all the Executive powers, the judgment of the courts would, in fact, be only monitory, not mandatory to him, and a capacity to be advised is a distinct thing from a capacity to be sued. The same feudal ideas run through all their jurisprudence, and constantly remind us of the distinction between the Prince and the subject. No such ideas obtain here; at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects (unless the African slaves among us may be so called), and have none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty.

I am posting this in response to MJ's mention of "Feudal system" and "Villein"... and USSC Chief Justice John Jay's statement in 1793 that the American Revolution supplanted the system of slaves (villein) being property of the lord of the manor (feud).

Also notice definition in Black's 4th for "feudal": Pertaining to feuds or fees.

Putting these cites together, perhaps taxation (FRN usage fees) is the merely the symptom of the bigger issue of the loss of the sovereignty of the people gained initially by the American Revolution in 1776?

Frederic Bastiat's essay entitled "The Law" shows how all governments gradually degenerate into "legalized plunder" (theft) over time...

The remedy always lies with the common people resuming their duty to "watch the watchers", which in this country, devolves upon the Common Law Grand Jury operating as the 4th Branch of government.

[JohnnyCash]

As promised, here is a Form 1099-MISC recently sent to me. Of course the amount reported wasn't federal income, it was redeemed lawful money, so I won't be filing a return of income. Just like last year's and so far the IRS has no problem with it.

http://jesse2012.com/my109913.jpg

[JohnnyCash]

Over on the othersite it appears Poppycock1938 has commented on the above:But somehow he has confused me with the nasty "jessejames" persona who's been banned just about everywhere but FreedomWatch. If the "1938" suffix on his username refers to birthdate that puts him at age 76, so I can forgive that error. As you may know, I believe "jessejames" to be an alt persona of some quatloser (likely Famspear), who I've made an amateur study of. I created the http://jesse2012.com site to make folks aware of how easily online forums can be infiltrated, derailed and manipulated by agents like "jessejames."

As for the Q, I sometimes wonder if the few posters left over there even realize what they're involved in... instead of exposing the scam, they're actually defending the Biggest Scam in the History of Mankind.

[Brian]

What othersite are you referring to? If I may ask?

[JohnnyCash]

It begins with the letter Q. It's so vile & nasty that I won't be responsible for linking anyone there; perhaps we could call it Parasites.com. Knowing the game they play it's possible to learn from them ... in a reverse way. They mock & ridicule all who reveal dangerous truth. Including Richard DiMare, the improbable attorney agreeing with David Merrill on the importance of LAWFUL MONEY. You may be interested to know we posted there awhile until they silenced David Merrill & myself. Probably for revealing too much truth that they could not defend against with facts & law.

I also validated from them that bitcoin is a good thing; good for us and bad for central banking. Confirmed when jessejames and the quatlosers trashed it. I use the Q as a validator, a sort of litmus test.

It's my non-professional opinion that our site is so threatening to the elite's scam that Quatlude personas control up to half the STSC logins here. Over at LostHorizons forum I believe the infection is worse, with fake-patriot chameleons behind over half the users there. And sometimes the ignorant Quatludes will talk about one of those dumb fake-patriot tax protesters not even realizing they're discussing one of Famspear's own personas.

[ag maniac]

.....And sometimes the ignorant Quatludes will talk about one of those dumb fake-patriot tax protesters not even realizing they're discussing one of Famspear's own personas.

....heh-heh --> chasing their own tail....

[Brian]

It begins with the letter Q. It's so vile & nasty that I won't be responsible for linking anyone there; perhaps we could call it Parasites.com. Knowing the game they play it's possible to learn from them ... in a reverse way. They mock & ridicule all who reveal dangerous truth. Including Richard DiMare, the improbable attorney agreeing with David Merrill on the importance of LAWFUL MONEY. You may be interested to know we posted there awhile until they silenced David Merrill & myself. Probably for revealing too much truth that they could not defend against with facts & law.

I also validated from them that bitcoin is a good thing; good for us and bad for central banking. Confirmed when jessejames and the quatlosers trashed it. I use the Q as a validator, a sort of litmus test.

It's my non-professional opinion that our site is so threatening to the elite's scam that Quatlude personas control up to half the STSC logins here. Over at LostHorizons forum I believe the infection is worse, with fake-patriot chameleons behind over half the users there. And sometimes the ignorant Quatludes will talk about one of those dumb fake-patriot tax protesters not even realizing they're discussing one of Famspear's own personas.

OK, thanks for clarifying. I thought for a moment Rick was being called out as a bad actor. I don't think that is the case at all. Screw the Q's.

[Chex]

It begins with the letter Q.

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[Michael Joseph]

Earning income is a presumption of taxes owed.

A Presumption of a benefit passed - or an exchange or transfer of an estate. Thus the trustee is required to give account. The presumption is of course valid for one may make demands for lawful money at one time and not at another. Thus always with the presumption of liability.

[Canadian solution]

This link may be of interest to the topic of trolls and directing group discussion

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-02/government-trolls-are-using-psychology-based-influence-techniques-youtube-facebook-a

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