Acceptance For Value - What it is

[Keith Alan]

When lawyers don't want paper being used against them as evidence they put "without prejudice".

So if you put that on your paycheck could the paycheck be exempt from the content being interpreted as containing admissions of income?
If it works for them...

Kind of along the same lines I was thinking...

Like the endorsement is a declaration that since the check is accepted for value, then no speculation for profit or gain is occurring, thus exempt from levy.

[teamsnowden]

Hi David, when we chatted over the phone, I mentioned the "accepted for value" topic and you said that the only true use is that a government official should accept their oath for value. This topic however is more along the lines of what I was referring to. What I'm looking to do, is essentially redeeming the coupon. I purchased a few book by David E. Robinson on Amazon and while I have recently tried the "handling presentments" section of his book about accepting for value, I still have received no response. My father in-law, a former attorney also was very critical of the book and author for what seems to be a rather narcissistic pseudo-Christian attitude and lack of practical legal knowledge. Is this something that you practice and if so, could you offer guidance? What I have done looks a bit like the example provided in the first post in this thread, although it is a little more involved, such as converting the coupon into a money order with a routing number and bond number extrapolated from the back of my SSN card. A better question to satisfy my curiosity would be, in what form do you pay your utility and credit card bills? If you don't pay them in a "traditional" way such as a check or online bill pay feature etc, how do you pay for, for example your cell phone bill?

[walter]

A better question to satisfy my curiosity would be, in what form do you pay your utility and credit card bills?

In Canada we found that
A4V doesn't work on these bills.
The only ones that was found to work is with the CRA. (IRS)
I thinking it has something to do with a traverse in jurisdiction.
A backdoor.
Plus the only statements that get sent to people here that has the word 'voucher" written on it is the CRA statements.
Even if you could get the energy company to accept the A4V you would most likely get your power cut off afterwards.

[JohnnyCash]

I don't do A4V (accepted for value) but when I attempted to put a "value" on what I learned from David Merrill, this is what I got:

1. INCOME TAX SAVINGS - from not endorsing Federal Reserve currency (redeeming Lawful Money)
$52,500 -- FEDERAL savings 7500/yr x 7 yrs
$7,000 -- STATE savings 1000/yr x 7 yrs

http://ctcwarrior.com/refund.jpg

2. BITCOIN EARNED - exploring alternatives to Federal Reserve currency
$156,000 -- 500 bitcoin mined x current value $312.

http://ctcwarrior.com/wallet.jpg

3. MORTGAGE & OTHER FRN DEBT SAVINGS - statutory abatement after learning the FR monetary system is a ponzi scheme
$63,000 -- Mortgage savings over 3 yrs
$25,000 -- other FRN debt fraud (cr card)

http://ctcwarrior.com/mortgage2.jpg

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$303,500

[David Merrill]

I don't do A4V (accepted for value) but when I attempted to put a "value" on what I learned from David Merrill, this is what I got:

1. INCOME TAX SAVINGS - from not endorsing Federal Reserve currency (redeeming Lawful Money)
$52,500 -- FEDERAL savings 7500/yr x 7 yrs
$7,000 -- STATE savings 1000/yr x 7 yrs

http://ctcwarrior.com/refund.jpg

2. BITCOIN EARNED - exploring alternatives to Federal Reserve currency
$156,000 -- 500 bitcoin mined x current value $312.

http://ctcwarrior.com/wallet.jpg

3. MORTGAGE & OTHER FRN DEBT SAVINGS - statutory abatement after learning the FR monetary system is a ponzi scheme
$63,000 -- Mortgage savings over 3 yrs
$25,000 -- other FRN debt fraud (cr card)

http://ctcwarrior.com/mortgage2.jpg

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$303,500

Sweet!

I saw the only plain Acceptance for Value is about the IN GOD WE TRUST trust in the Oaths system.

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$20,000,000.00



P.S. The FRN is understood to be an insurance policy that nobody expects to make claim on - that is to say, we just pass around the policy and continue to pay premiums on the System by endorsing private credit. So therefore the A4V system of thought is upon the SSA being the same style of insurance company - old age insurance, I call it.

The Strawman Redemption is not void of consideration, it simply cannot be argued among the beneficiaries.

[BLBereans]

Hi David, when we chatted over the phone, I mentioned the "accepted for value" topic and you said that the only true use is that a government official should accept their oath for value. This topic however is more along the lines of what I was referring to. What I'm looking to do, is essentially redeeming the coupon. I purchased a few book by David E. Robinson on Amazon and while I have recently tried the "handling presentments" section of his book about accepting for value, I still have received no response. My father in-law, a former attorney also was very critical of the book and author for what seems to be a rather narcissistic pseudo-Christian attitude and lack of practical legal knowledge. Is this something that you practice and if so, could you offer guidance? What I have done looks a bit like the example provided in the first post in this thread, although it is a little more involved, such as converting the coupon into a money order with a routing number and bond number extrapolated from the back of my SSN card. A better question to satisfy my curiosity would be, in what form do you pay your utility and credit card bills? If you don't pay them in a "traditional" way such as a check or online bill pay feature etc, how do you pay for, for example your cell phone bill?

I am curious as to that aspect as well. The premise of sound money demand (lawful money) is to make known one's choice to NOT be a typical commercial belligerent; the desire to extinguish debt rather than increase it for the purpose of personal profit.

Those here who have mastered this concept (lawful money demand) should also have a great grasp on the methodology of directing discharge of ALL bills (utility, water, phone, etc.), regardless of the presenter. Perhaps this precise methodology has been presented here with sufficient evidence of success and reproducibility and I am unaware of it. Has it? I would be interested in viewing methods which prove successful in these matters.

[David Merrill]

I am curious as to that aspect as well. The premise of sound money demand (lawful money) is to make known one's choice to NOT be a typical commercial belligerent; the desire to extinguish debt rather than increase it for the purpose of personal profit.

Those here who have mastered this concept (lawful money demand) should also have a great grasp on the methodology of directing discharge of ALL bills (utility, water, phone, etc.), regardless of the presenter. Perhaps this precise methodology has been presented here with sufficient evidence of success and reproducibility and I am unaware of it. Has it? I would be interested in viewing methods which prove successful in these matters.

Start Here.

It was a while ago so I hope this is recalled correctly. That is an offer for China to buy the $20M lien for $50M.

When China passed on that (acquiesced) I noted that BRICS came into formation. - Which would be that several nations knew that America's good faith and credit had been besmirched. The international credit rating indeed dropped some points, for the first time ever! I have a BBC World News recording around here somewhere... [attached... Nope! Maybe I filed that recording in the Basel II folder?]

I published the lien in the BRICS nations - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. I sent a Notice of Lien for their national papers with $100. It really did not matter whether they published or not, the notice made it to the national publications services. China was exceptional! They sent me back an adjustment in renmindi, for a new price to publish the Notice in China Daily for around $630. So I sent that to them and then they were careful to write a note that they could not publish the Notice and refunded the exact same cash bills!

I miss how fun and exhilarating that event was, to hear the good faith and credit of the US dollar being affected exactly at that time! It still goes on, the adventure, I am just careful about the science and wait until the results are in more now than back then, before I share.

[David Merrill]

Continuing; Here are some of the responses. I like the way they prove service on the Finance Ministry across the way with the word "censor" in the translation.

[BLBereans]

Forgive my ignorance; but I haven't a clue what all that means or how it relates to successful discharge of an electric bill.

Is "BRICS" involved in the discharge process when someone wishes to direct the water bill to the appropriate office for settlement?

I admit to not comprehending the connection when dealing with average-joe type matters like settling the home gas bill.

You seem to be addressing issues on a world-wide scale, I am speaking of addressing the cell phone bill. As micro as it may seem, these matters continue to require addressing every month.

[David Merrill]

Forgive my ignorance; but I haven't a clue what all that means or how it relates to successful discharge of an electric bill.

Is "BRICS" involved in the discharge process when someone wishes to direct the water bill to the appropriate office for settlement?

I admit to not comprehending the connection when dealing with average-joe type matters like settling the home gas bill.

You seem to be addressing issues on a world-wide scale, I am speaking of addressing the cell phone bill. As micro as it may seem, these matters continue to require addressing every month.

My apologies then; I have a way of addressing a Post without getting into the context of several posts. Rather, I just enjoyed sharing something I have not revisited for a while.

You might discharge a phone bill or a utility bill in this manner but it would be a novation to the contract that would disrupt continuous service. Like I was saying then, the only effective use of A4V is in the IN GOD WE TRUST trust.

[Chex]

goods and services

[teamsnowden]

[David Merrill]

The first sentence answers itself - the check or money order discharges the obligation. Back when 1099-OID was popular, before so many people were being put in jail about it, I would simply send people to the list of functions in the Instructions. The IRS offers the Forms and Instructions for their forms on their website. If you cannot find the purpose of the Form as you intend it in the Instructions then you are probably misusing the Form.