Lawful Money ...??

[Michael Joseph]

I believe this is in alignment with what MJ is saying. I wish BY would facilitate discussion too by pointing out some interesting passages.

It is certainly in alignment with my point - about Financial Peace. - In that when I tried negotiating a Comptroller Warrant without resorting to citation of the UCC - Without Recourse only; the next morning was the Montana Freeman Standoff. Commanding the return of specie (pre-1861) against the US has manifest in that more than once.

1861 Confiscation Act

here's the thing: If the Military holds Titles [legal/equitable] and Property [rights of use] in Trust, as Trustee. And the beneficiary is government at that time, then we got to look at the structure of government at that time. And in fact "The United States of America" - style of the Art. of Confederacy - was already in default - so the United States comes in and does a thing for it see Preamble. So in fact The United States of America has already been placed into Trust and the United States is government as beneficiary to the Military as Trustee and the US Treasury held in Trust.

Tell me where a private man fits into this trust structure? Will you now argue against the Trustee in regard to his estate? I am neither trustee or beneficiary - I am without, acting as envoy, on behalf of the owner.

Will you, as Adam, cover the sin of one who would take against the Trust - by bond? If you would place a bond, don't you have an interest in said bond?

But then again, you are using Intangible Property of the Trust? = Money! Did you make a demand for lawful money or not? Did you create said money [intangible property]?

For I know I am not trustee and this is your estate in the [FIRST MIDDLE LAST], as cestui que trust; and, while I am authorized by legal right to Use the CQT, I do not intent to trespass the office of the Trustee in Trustee de son Tort.

7. Martial law extends to property, and to persons, whether they are subjects of the enemy or aliens to that government.

31. A victorious army appropriates all public money, seizes all public movable property until further direction by its government, and sequesters for its own benefit or of that of its government all the revenues of real property belonging to the hostile government or nation. The title to such real property remains in abeyance during military occupation, and until the conquest is made complete.

I am still waiting for one to show me the Peace Treaty that ended the Civil War.....


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We have already seen that the people of the insurgent States, under the Confederate government were, in legal contemplation, substantially in the same condition as inhabitants of districts of a country occupied and controlled by an [75 U.S. 1, 13] invading belligerent. The rules which would apply in the former case would apply in the latter; and, as in the former case, the people must be regarded as subjects of a foreign power, and contracts among them be interpreted and enforced with reference to the conditions imposed by the conqueror, so in the latter case, the inhabitants must be regarded as under the authority of the insurgent belligerent power actually established as the government of the country, and contracts made with them must be interpreted and enforced with reference to the condition of things created by the acts of the govering power.

Turn your penny over and see if you can find the king of the throne!

[David Merrill]

Exactly - the BOND.

[Michael Joseph]

Exactly - the BOND.

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?254-The-Song-of-Moses&p=2308&viewfull=1#post2308

[Binbokusai Yagyuu]

Sorry ..
traveling has been of necessity

Let's start here

It was by this government exercising its power throughout an immense territory, that the Confederate notes were issued early in the war, and these notes in a short time became almost exclusively the currency of the insurgent States. As contracts in themselves, except in the contingency of successful revolution, these notes were nullities; for, except in that event, there could be no payer. They bore, indeed, this character upon their face, for they were made payable only 'after the ratification of a treaty of peace between the Confederate States and the United States of America.' While the war lasted, however, they had a certain contingent value, and were used as money in nearly all the business transactions of many millions of people. They must be regarded, therefore, as a currency, imposed on the community by irresistible force.

[David Merrill]

Sorry ..
traveling has been of necessity

Let's start here

It was by this government exercising its power throughout an immense territory, that the Confederate notes were issued early in the war, and these notes in a short time became almost exclusively the currency of the insurgent States. As contracts in themselves, except in the contingency of successful revolution, these notes were nullities; for, except in that event, there could be no payer. They bore, indeed, this character upon their face, for they were made payable only 'after the ratification of a treaty of peace between the Confederate States and the United States of America.' While the war lasted, however, they had a certain contingent value, and were used as money in nearly all the business transactions of many millions of people. They must be regarded, therefore, as a currency, imposed on the community by irresistible force.

Thank you BY!

It is good to have you back with us, Welcome and Happy Trails in your travels too.

The point that MJ and I barter with is the monetizing of sin - that the original Income Tax began in the form of having to sacrifice your prize livestock to an angry God of Abraham. He was angry because gold was valueless until people foiled it and wrapped idols and made them shiny and pretty - the Golden Calf.

Moses sung his song of Forgiveness and Redemption and actually changed God's mind about destroying Israel. The price though, was a steep one - the Income Tax, and the subsequent monetizing of sin through currency in the Messianic Model.

The point I keep making though is that the mental models are much older than 1861. The passage you are speaking of began on the SW corner of the Monument right here in Old Colorado City of Colorado Springs.

The original estate is not within the scope of Israel.


Jesus did not become a formal initiate until he was dunked in the Jordan River, with John in the Order of Archelaus.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[shikamaru]

Really? I found it quite shocking a couple years ago when I was invited to one of his
introductory seminars, this was the downslope of the economy where he was asking
people to negotiate increasing the credit on their credit cards with the banks to pay
for his advanced training course and then later negotiate another increase with another
card to go get a house to flip, he noted it as hard money.
This guy Kiyosaki is a showmen and so are a couple of his associates, they make
money off of doing seminars in a downed economy taking advantage of people and
that is about it, Needless to say I left not to return the next day.

I would not know as much as I know about finance and money had it not been for Kiyosaki. In fact, Kiyosaki's information got me out of debt. Kiyosaki's information got me from plumb ignorance to having some idea of what is going on with and in money.
You have an advantage over most people because you know of law and finance as well as the relationship between the two.
I would tailor Kiyosaki's information based on your legal and financial knowledge as well as your personal dispositions.
Ramsey's information is far, far too basic in my opinion. I consider Kiyosaki's information fairly advanced in comparison to Ramsey.
Corporations are designed for engaging in debt and risk with limited liability immunity. Use them for that purpose.

I tore up all credit cards, paid off loans back in 2003, no more lines of credit either since
then. If your serious about Lawful Money you cannot be playing around with bank money,
this is double mindedness and destroys the cause laid out for a sound Republic.
Banks are doing what we should have been doing, investing in the treasury in lawful money,
then the treasury allows them to fractionalize it at the expense of taxpayers, another words they get paid twice and we are left to look like fools.
There is more of us then there is of them, it is the free will wants of the people that determine the direction of the currency flow. I see the treasury as like one of those old dumb terminal computers, it knows nothing, what you put into it is what you are going to get out of it

Food for thought,

motla68

Fair enough.
As far as republicanism goes, most people have no interest in bringing back or living within a republic. They are quite content with their private credit of the FRB as well as their agent telling them what to do and how to live.
My public/private model accounts for both the private credit of the FRB and lawful money. If at the very least, one can use the system to transition from Lex Mercatoria to American Common Law.

[Michael Joseph]

The original estate is not within the scope of Israel.

Election.pdf

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded


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Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

Isa 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Isa 6:13 But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.


verse 13 speaks to the Remnant in every Generation and the Election in the last Generation. With Duty as co-trustee and co-beneficiary; these will not drop the trust. For these are presanctified and prejustified and preordained to duty!

There is but one Redeemer. In the former Age Yehovah Saves, in this age of Flesh, by Faith, in Yehoshuah. But there are others who have already overcome who FIRST trusted on Yehovah!

See how the Sons of Cain work. Daniel was definitely Remnant/Elect and they tried all that they could to harm Daniel - yet, Daniel, a type for Election in latter days, would not bow to the Image and to its Laws; Daniel prayed towards Jerusalem three times a day. And Daniel was delivered up to the King, just as Election will also be; see Mark 13, Luke 21, Matt 24 for a specific reason.

All that I have is yours to the Elect son! Give him no inheritance for he shall inherit Yehovah! AWESOME!

[Michael Joseph]

I would not know as much as I know about finance and money had it not been for Kiyosaki. In fact, Kiyosaki's information got me out of debt. Kiyosaki's information got me from plumb ignorance to having some idea of what is going on with and in money.
You have an advantage over most people because you know of law and finance as well as the relationship between the two.
I would tailor Kiyosaki's information based on your legal and financial knowledge as well as your personal dispositions.
Ramsey's information is far, far too basic in my opinion. I consider Kiyosaki's information fairly advanced in comparison to Ramsey.
Corporations are designed for engaging in debt and risk with limited liability immunity. Use them for that purpose.

Kiyosaki's money 101 game should be pre-requisite to each boy and girl before the age of 14. How many will believe my house is my greatest asset? Does that house make you any money? Or are you paying a boatload of interest to another? Still think it to be an asset. Kiyosaki's books helped me to see money in a new light. And to that I am grateful.

[shikamaru]

Kiyosaki's money 101 game should be pre-requisite to each boy and girl before the age of 14. How many will believe my house is my greatest asset? Does that house make you any money? Or are you paying a boatload of interest to another? Still think it to be an asset. Kiyosaki's books helped me to see money in a new light. And to that I am grateful.

Right on, right on ...

In my opinion, it isn't an asset unless it produces income for you.
Buy and hold of any "asset" only makes money for others.
And that tenure is an EQUITY stake at that !!

[David Merrill]

Right on, right on ...

In my opinion, it isn't an asset unless it produces income for you.
Buy and hold of any "asset" only makes money for others.
And that tenure is an EQUITY stake at that !!

Wow!

That is a helpful light to shed.

[Michael Joseph]

Right on, right on ...

In my opinion, it isn't an asset unless it produces income for you.
Buy and hold of any "asset" only makes money for others.
And that tenure is an EQUITY stake at that !!

Or, you can play Monopoly and ask yourself - where did the money come from? And what is this Property? You might incorporate ideas such, as lease with option to buy, or just options, or seller financing to buy, or buy for cash directly from Owner, or a number of other ways to buy - but do keep good records.

At the end of the game - the property goes back to the banker - an anonymous figure.


Example what if you own Park Place and another owns Boardwalk - Perhaps you enter into a deal with the Owner of Boardwalk to lease Park Place to him for $300 each time around the board. While he can now improve the property due to his interest in it, he may have a term limit on the lease [20x around the board] and if he does not execute the option to buy, the improvements revert back to the remainderman - you. Makes the game a bit more interesting and a lot more real.

[Michael Joseph]

The point I keep making though is that the mental models are much older than 1861. The passage you are speaking of began on the SW corner of the Monument right here in Old Colorado City of Colorado Springs.

David, I opened the 2nd link :The Governor is Trustee de son Tort as he acted as DEFACTO Trustee absent any authorization from the War Department - Military as Trustee was usurped by Governor acting as Trustee. Governor claims he had been granted Agency from an authorized source - maybe he was or maybe not. I am unfamiliar with the Governor Gilpen's story.

[Darkcrusade]

I would not know as much as I know about finance and money had it not been for Kiyosaki. In fact, Kiyosaki's information got me out of debt. Kiyosaki's information got me from plumb ignorance to having some idea of what is going on with and in money.

Care to share,as much as you dare?

[shikamaru]

Or, you can play Monopoly and ask yourself - where did the money come from? And what is this Property? You might incorporate ideas such, as lease with option to buy, or just options, or seller financing to buy, or buy for cash directly from Owner, or a number of other ways to buy - but do keep good records.

At the end of the game - the property goes back to the banker - an anonymous figure.


Example what if you own Park Place and another owns Boardwalk - Perhaps you enter into a deal with the Owner of Boardwalk to lease Park Place to him for $300 each time around the board. While he can now improve the property due to his interest in it, he may have a term limit on the lease [20x around the board] and if he does not execute the option to buy, the improvements revert back to the remainderman - you. Makes the game a bit more interesting and a lot more real.

Holy snap!
I never considered that. I am disturbed by this revelation.

I will keep this in mind.....

[shikamaru]

Care to share,as much as you dare?

Rich Dad, Poor Dad is an excellent introductory basis to how the wealthy play the game of money. As far as I am concerned, he gives it all away.

After reading Rich Dad, Poor Dad, you then need to begin building up your financial education so that you too can play the game to win. Winning in the financial game is to have an abundance of cash and assets that generate revenue.

One of the biggest reasons people lose in capitalism is because they don't know how to count (George Gordon). In addition to learning how to count, we want to learn how to improve our financial report cards (net worth, financial statements, etc.). Accounting is most important.

So learn how to count and learn how to read money (accounting).
Also, learn and master sales.

Won't hurt to master the customs of merchants either (Lex Mercatoria).

Is there anything specific you would like me to address?