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  • Michael Joseph
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 1596

    #16
    I have a book in my archives early 1800's - the book is about the State of the Union address. It is really interesting to see a President addressing the Republic. Especially since the de-jure officers in Congress today are running a Democracy.

    Since the Democracy sprang out of the Republic - who Granted its existence? Why don't you get a look at all those Committees!

    Imagine a Trust where the Grant is made to a Board of Trustees who hold the estate for the benefit of a Public. But the Public, while it can Grant to the Estate and add to the Trust Corpus, it can only do so from a position of Irrevocable Grant or Gift. Furthermore, the trust is set up for Beneficiaries who may hold the cestui que use - maybe - but the interest of the Beneficiary is in personalty.

    Therefore the estate held in fee simple might be personal property only.

    I hear a lot of claims that using private trust law claiming lawful money somehow gives one just title or perfect title. If I am with perfect title then Nobody can take the estate from me period - absent force in arms. Metes/Bounds/Survey/Claim/Use/Estate....and you think Property issuing from a closed boundary can somehow be yours?

    That's a tall claim.
    The blessing is in the hand of the doer. Faith absent deeds is dead.

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    • Jaro
      Member
      • May 2011
      • 39

      #17
      Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
      I have a book in my archives early 1800's - the book is about the State of the Union address. It is really interesting to see a President addressing the Republic. Especially since the de-jure officers in Congress today are running a Democracy.
      There are no de-jure officers in Congress today, which is why they needed a corporate citizenship (14th Amendment) and had to convert de jure Citizens of the Republic into corporate strawman US citizens with Birth Certificates. After 1860 Congress no longer had power to make law which would bind sovereign State Citizens.

      They still don't which is why having lawful money will make you EXEMPT OF TAXES and exempt from their statutes as well. Corporate US just doesn't have any authority under common law/laws of the Republic. Corporations including the governmental ones, ONLY have authority through CONTRACT, like using their PRIVATE FRN's. When you got LM, there's no contract, you got ONCE AGAIN unalienable rights, and "laws" (=statutes) of the corporate Democracy have no authority over you, provided you know who you are, i.e John of family Smith and not their corporate strawman JOHN SMITH.

      And in order to have de jure officers, they'd have to act in their sovereign capacity, which they can't since they weren't elected by de jure Citizens of the Republic, but by corporate US citizens.
      Last edited by Jaro; 07-08-11, 02:52 AM.

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      • Chex
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 1032

        #18
        and corporations are artificial legal entities that can contract only with other legal entities by the hand of living agents, and only with full disclosure between the agents thereof, full disclosure of the definition of all words, the assumption that those definitions rest upon, and the implications that extend there from of all clauses of such contracts in order to claim authority, power or control over those contracting parties, and;

        Thanks TG and DM for Mr. Traficant’s profile, we need more leaders like him.
        Last edited by Chex; 07-08-11, 04:21 AM. Reason: update
        "And if I could I surely would Stand on the rock that Moses stood"

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          #19
          Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
          At the end of the day, civil infrastructure gives you the benefit of exclusive usage. The trustee owns your stuff.
          I think Ben Franklin co-signs with you on your point.

          The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so. I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People's Money out of their Pockets, tho' only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted. They seem to mistake the Point. Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors' Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell'd to pay by some Law.

          All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
          -The Writings of Benjamin Franklin. Edited by Albert Henry Smyth. 10 vols. New York: Macmillan Co., 1905--7.

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          • David Merrill
            Administrator
            • Mar 2011
            • 5956

            #20
            I think we begin to focus clearly on the Oaths of Office then. A4V as a fungible fidelity bond. Then bill; if they do not pay the bill, lien them.

            The government became the guardian of your rights to property - the trustee of the Public Trust. The Oath of Office is the security agreement.
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            • Michael Joseph
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 1596

              #21
              Originally posted by Jaro View Post
              There are no de-jure officers in Congress today, which is why they needed a corporate citizenship (14th Amendment) and had to convert de jure Citizens of the Republic into corporate strawman US citizens with Birth Certificates. After 1860 Congress no longer had power to make law which would bind sovereign State Citizens.

              They still don't which is why having lawful money will make you EXEMPT OF TAXES and exempt from their statutes as well. Corporate US just doesn't have any authority under common law/laws of the Republic. Corporations including the governmental ones, ONLY have authority through CONTRACT, like using their PRIVATE FRN's. When you got LM, there's no contract, you got ONCE AGAIN unalienable rights, and "laws" (=statutes) of the corporate Democracy have no authority over you, provided you know who you are, i.e John of family Smith and not their corporate strawman JOHN SMITH.

              And in order to have de jure officers, they'd have to act in their sovereign capacity, which they can't since they weren't elected by de jure Citizens of the Republic, but by corporate US citizens.
              In regard to the Republic, there are no de-jure officers. Framing JARO, framing......Trustees

              Private FRN's or USN's.....both exist within an Estate. What makes that estate mine? With specificity, please. Again, a lot of claims.....

              The Sovereign to any trust is its Settlor. The Trustees are NOT sovereign.

              Who gave grant to the Colonies? Is there not still and Heir on the Throne of that Grantor and/or successors in interest?
              The blessing is in the hand of the doer. Faith absent deeds is dead.

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              • Michael Joseph
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 1596

                #22
                Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
                I think we begin to focus clearly on the Oaths of Office then. A4V as a fungible fidelity bond. Then bill; if they do not pay the bill, lien them.

                The government became the guardian of your rights to property - the trustee of the Public Trust. The Oath of Office is the security agreement.
                I believe that is a method to keep the Trustees from breach? I accept your Oath of Office as a contract between you and I. In other words the Oath of Office is transferred into Trust as Security Agreement upon default. You could go even further as to make the Judge produce his bond so that you could perfect the Surety. For the Record......

                And Since most are running vacant offices, being insured by bond - Replevin Bonds. They will fall back on an insurance company that can pay in Notes because it is all wrapped up in Trust. You are standing before a Trustee; however, if you are shown to be a Constructive Trustee or "de son Tort Trustee" - then that is another story.

                And if the trustee acts in breach, then there is a convenient bond to pay you with State property. Such that what you buy with that State property [Notes] is just that State property, but you have the cestui que use and the State is with the cestui que use trust.

                And the Statute of Uses (Henry VIII) is avoided because the trustees work overtime to ensure they are constantly busy.

                Obama speaking - Government created XXXX jobs this quarter - Board of Trustees or Agents to trustee.

                And those Trustees ARE de-jure to a particular estate.

                Framing....that is.....where are you and what office do you hold?

                I believe it was David, king of Judah/Israel who said "let him be stripped of his office"

                Psa 109:8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.

                Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

                There is nothing new under the sun.
                The blessing is in the hand of the doer. Faith absent deeds is dead.

                Lawful Money Trust Website

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                • Jaro
                  Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 39

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
                  In regard to the Republic, there are no de-jure officers. Framing JARO, framing......Trustees

                  Private FRN's or USN's.....both exist within an Estate. What makes that estate mine? With specificity, please. Again, a lot of claims.....

                  The Sovereign to any trust is its Settlor. The Trustees are NOT sovereign.

                  Who gave grant to the Colonies? Is there not still and Heir on the Throne of that Grantor and/or successors in interest?
                  Republic is de jure by definition, and so are its officers. And 'Sovereign to any trust is its Settlor'??? What does that supposed to mean? You need to check definition of sovereignty. And I won't even touch that 'heir on the throne' confusion.

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                  • Jaro
                    Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 39

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Chex View Post
                    and corporations are artificial legal entities that can contract only with other legal entities by the hand of living agents, and only with full disclosure between the agents thereof, full disclosure of the definition of all words, the assumption that those definitions rest upon, and the implications that extend there from of all clauses of such contracts in order to claim authority, power or control over those contracting parties, and;

                    Thanks TG and DM for Mr. Traficant’s profile, we need more leaders like him.
                    That full disclosure ONLY applies in the real world, under common law. INSIDE the corporate world we are now in, there are no men and women, only artificial persons, and those are subject to Law Merchant/UCC, where acceptance of a benefit equals acceptance of obligation/contract, with no disclosure required. You're free to accept it or not, but if you do, you've accepted the contract as well. You guys need to stop thinking that the laws of the Republic/common law, apply in this corporate Matrix, where exist ONLY artificial persons.

                    It's a make-believe virtual world where everything is imaginary and exists ONLY on paper and as concepts in the minds of men.

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                    • Jaro
                      Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 39

                      #25
                      Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
                      I think we begin to focus clearly on the Oaths of Office then. A4V as a fungible fidelity bond. Then bill; if they do not pay the bill, lien them.

                      The government became the guardian of your rights to property - the trustee of the Public Trust. The Oath of Office is the security agreement.
                      You can forget oaths of office; those are required by the Constitutions, which are real law of the Republic, not statutes, and as such don't apply to/protect US citizens/strawmen. It'd be like claiming Hale v Henkel, that also is real law which is ignored in today's corporate Matrix courts. BTW, when I was in jail on traffic charges I told my public pretender that I want to fight those charges on constitutional grounds. He was enthusiastic about that, but when I told him I want to challenge the judge's oath because it doesn't match the required oath, he got all scared.

                      As to the government becoming the guardian of your rights to property, see my Excalibur letter :-)
                      Last edited by Jaro; 07-08-11, 09:22 PM.

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