Redeeming Lawful Money on Daily Paul

[David Merrill]

David,

Slow clap (hopefully others joining in). Nice work. OK, I get the oath I get the clerk stating he was occupying a vacant office (that had to feel good while getting noterized).

Now, what's with the 20 million dollar lien. Wtf, was this against the DA? I see Greenspan on there, just wanted to know how/why you did that? For damages? Also, I read through the default judgment, its all in there, and as with no response within a given time frame, it can be ...insert your case here. I'm learning a lot here and am enjoying hearing others posts as well...but, can you elaborate on the lien?

Once you have the court established properly - that is to say that the oaths are in order, then the actors are bonded by the comptroller of the Treasury.

[mikecz]

The federal reserve note is a dual purpose note. By endorsing you claim in to be one thing, by not, you claim it to be another.

All you need is documentation of you claim, and you have tax free money. David, this is about taxes...right?

Separating the two currencies, and their value, is a whole other battle, this is about waging a personal war with the IRS. I think I get it...You have setup a default judgement, a LoR (for all past personal conduct), a evidence repository (for future proof of non endorsement), a refusal for cause as a first line of defense, and a signature card with the bank. Well done.

[David Merrill]

The federal reserve note is a dual purpose note. By endorsing you claim in to be one thing, by not, you claim it to be another.

All you need is documentation of you claim, and you have tax free money. David, this is about taxes...right?

Separating the two currencies, and their value, is a whole other battle, this is about waging a personal war with the IRS. You have setup a default judgement, a LoR, a evidence repository, and a signature card with the bank. Well done.

Redemption is claim upon the original estate as heir apparent - at least to me. It follows a redemption model like found in the Bible.

If I had 30% of my year's wages tied up on account then it would be about taxes - at least for me.

Remedy is between your ears.

I am rethinking the Signature Card from the bank. It seems to me that the OCC has sent out a memorandum, but not publicly. If so publicly I might have missed it. But the banks are starting to refuse the novation to the Signature contract. No problem. That is easy to get around if the banks are refusing across the board. Serve the nearest Fed bank. Then serve that Proof of Service on your bank and forget about the Signature Card. Keep non-endorsing your paychecks when you can but your demand is already properly done.

You have summarized some points but I disagree about waging a personal war with the IRS or anybody. There is a battlefield and you want to extract yourself by execution of law. This thing about oaths is getting your day in court - but only after assuring that the court is competent and the actors are bound to abide in the (state and federal) bills of rights.

[mikecz]

David,

I agree on the waging a war part, that might have been the knob creek talking.

I was wandering if you could clear something up. Can I legally refuse legal tender (in this case FRNs)? I run a real estate business, rent/sell homes, and get paid in cash and check. I know tender laws are there for a reason, the main example I've seen is if someone is at a restaurant, and finishes the meal, then the owner demands to be paid in yen. The client doesn't have it, so whatever, he goes to jail. A debt is established, legal tender must be accepted.

But for something like a service, like a bus station, or convenience store, since no debt is present prior to the transaction, the owner can refuse payment. I'm just wandering if it's even worth trying to get a few of my tenants paying me in lawful money? I guess it's not really important, the biggest part of it being documentation at the bank, but, it would be something to be paid in lawful money. Probably for the land contracts I have, a debt is established, so we can just chalk that up as no. But for the rentals, that is a little different, I could put that in the lease to be paid in such a way...

[shikamaru]

I was wandering if you could clear something up. Can I legally refuse legal tender (in this case FRNs)? I run a real estate business, rent/sell homes, and get paid in cash and check. I know tender laws are there for a reason, the main example I've seen is if someone is at a restaurant, and finishes the meal, then the owner demands to be paid in yen. The client doesn't have it, so whatever, he goes to jail. A debt is established, legal tender must be accepted.

My opinion: No.

Legal tender laws are obligations on creditors. Creditors must accept the tender of FRNs by debtors.

There is also the problem of your profession. I'm sure real estate is a "covered employment" as well as a public interest attaching thereto.

If you are incorporated, there is another latch as well.
I'm sure you are insured as well......

[David Merrill]

David,

I agree on the waging a war part, that might have been the knob creek talking.

I was wandering if you could clear something up. Can I legally refuse legal tender (in this case FRNs)? I run a real estate business, rent/sell homes, and get paid in cash and check. I know tender laws are there for a reason, the main example I've seen is if someone is at a restaurant, and finishes the meal, then the owner demands to be paid in yen. The client doesn't have it, so whatever, he goes to jail. A debt is established, legal tender must be accepted.

But for something like a service, like a bus station, or convenience store, since no debt is present prior to the transaction, the owner can refuse payment. I'm just wandering if it's even worth trying to get a few of my tenants paying me in lawful money? I guess it's not really important, the biggest part of it being documentation at the bank, but, it would be something to be paid in lawful money. Probably for the land contracts I have, a debt is established, so we can just chalk that up as no. But for the rentals, that is a little different, I could put that in the lease to be paid in such a way...

HJR-192 is the non-law (resolution) that made it illegal to stipulate a gold clause but that has been rescinded with the Emergency. So you can make payment whatever you like in the contract. Going to a Chinese restaurant in America I doubt they could do anything if you offered FRNs even if they preferred yen; even if they put up a notice you pay in yen. Speaking of that I got paid in some barter points on a private currency system and there were a bunch of local professionals and merchants participating. The Chinese restaurant was sold and I did not see the sign that they were not honoring the barter system, the new owners. So it came time to pay and the animated new owners were very annoyed that I did not notice the sign. So I paid them in cash. I argued that they had bought into the barter system when they bought the restaurant. They did not see it that way at all.

As I live this vicariously through suitors I believe the big part is not the doumentation at the bank, it is keeping a record of your demand. It would seem with electronic deposit anymore that a Notice and Demand is best made directly to the nearest Fed Bank and that proof of service published in the USDC (hopefully you can get a $46 Miscellaneous Case opened; we are working on that) and then you simply serve that on your bank and forget about the Signature Card if you like one of the banks that does not like non-endorsement. They are served and your demand is clear. You have done your part.

So the Lesson Plan is still:

1) learn your identity
2) record forming
3) redeeming lawful money

It would seem this is no silver bullet but it consistently improves your ability to Refuse for Cause unwanted presentments, including innovations to current contracts. Like you point out, the Constitution and natural law both protect the obligations of contract.

Imposing certain payment, like in gold or silver coin etc. on tenants sounds like a bad idea. If you maintain rental properties you already have your hands full keeping tenants happy.

[shikamaru]

HJR-192 is the non-law (resolution) that made it illegal to stipulate a gold clause but that has been rescinded with the Emergency.

HJR-192 was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in Perry v. U.S. (1935).

The real substance of the confiscation of gold was was the power of condemnation/eminent domain.

[mikecz]

By documentation, I meant the record or paper trail is kept of your demand.

I still need to understand this refusal for cause a little better. What thread would you recommend?

in what form of payment can the united states pay its interest on debt?

[Franco]

[Franco]

[David Merrill]

HJR-192 was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in Perry v. U.S. (1935).

The real substance of the confiscation of gold was was the power of condemnation/eminent domain.

That is very interesting but you need to supply more dots for me to connect?

[allodial]

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[Chex]

I think David shikamaru is trying to take you here: http://www.reformation.org/roosevelt...ates_gold.html

Page 92 @ http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-CON...-1992-10-6.pdf

[shikamaru]

That is very interesting but you need to supply more dots for me to connect?

Read the case above I presented, then read this:

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?494-Campbell-v-Chase-National-Bank-of-New-York-%281933%29&highlight=eminent+domain

HJR-192 is "watch the birdie" while we do our real stuff over here.

More dots ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Clause_Cases

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?404-LAW-states-registration-not-required&p=5827&viewfull=1#post5827

[David Merrill]

The people filled the bill for what was under charter "state banks".

Since the purpose of the recall was to force the citizens back into the banking system...

This endorsement of salary checks was (and still is) voluntary but the relenquishing of the gold was not. Lately on the brain trust we are examining that question - where is Our Gold?

Read it for yourself. Here is how I sent that last page of the Lien. I am the trustee because of these various conflicts of interest evolving around the Bar. The original Thirteenth Amendment attached to all our Libels of Review express how on the not-quite Territory of Colorado the Titles of Nobility are forbidden in de jureperpetual inheritance (Section VI):