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  • xparte
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2014
    • 742

    #16
    when fireworks argument is moot, is the authority to what xparte subscribed unless a private agreement can be reached pledging or pleading a mistake is as good as i shouldnt said that but i meant what i said gettin harmed or hammered is the authors choice in the world of fiction are you not the law? offend a fiction or harm a fiction.first become one or appear as if being one what fiction is without rules. If i said any suitor that uses a $ sign is banned i must be a suitor when banhammered not a guest.try the hammer on a guest and if u dont have that agreement f=u trespass now be my guest . The benefit of a guest is f=u the benefit shared is a trust how and why this is must be in the rules. insight or what,s onsite is based on rules founded or unfounded.

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    • Michael Joseph
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      • Mar 2011
      • 1596

      #17
      Originally posted by george View Post
      I still am trying to figure it out.. I have a difficult time with these things, more than most probably. there is not alot to go on here so I read and listen to others and I see R4C used in different ways. like Karl Lentz for instance, he doesn't use or probably not even aware of David's methodology but he goes right in and refuses it for a cause.

      I find it amazing that someone would actually make an argument before another man concerning his manhood. It is so simple - make a promise, then keep a promise. If you don't desire to contract then don't. But at least learn the law structure. For how can one make a use of law and then claim to be not subject to that law?

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      I find it refreshing that another man thinks for himself. Apparently this Karl LENTZ is not a follower of other men. Kudos for Karl.

      Regarding "their law" and "my law" that too is an absurdity which just leads men down the path to destruction. For too long man has been okay to be judged in Administrative Equity - this is, in my opinion, due to ignorance in regard to proper oath bonding. Therefore a proper judiciary is hard to find these days. But why is that? Because the people have fallen asleep, thinking the law somehow belongs to some and not to all.

      Making a Use - subjects one to the Closed Law Boundary - being understood by the Treasury at Law. Therefore in Equity if usurpation or tort, there remains a recourse to the people in fungible bond - as understood by Society. Therefore a trustee in breach will not hold office for long. The people will not abide paying out upon damages for long. The converse to this is what happens to day - the office is understood BY AN INSURANCE POLICY. Bottomry as it were - an ancient tradition.

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      Endorsing the Federal Reserve in Undertaking RE-VENUES myself in my own deed. I did it to myself. Nobody did this to me. And so then it is up to me to rescue me from the Re-venue officers dejure in the Federal Reserve system. For how can I claim under the Will established in Contract [Civil Law] as a third party beneficiary, if I have by my own free will and deed contracted to another? Art I Section X wars against me. I have waived rights by my deed.

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      • powder
        Member
        • May 2011
        • 38

        #18
        Why use a closed case file.

        Just use the certificate mailing number as the 'case number'. That is what they will do anyway, just like traffic court. the case # starts out as the ticket number and then gets converted to a case number.

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        • AllanNR
          Junior Member
          • Jul 2011
          • 28

          #19
          Hi All, Hi David : )
          just want to share personal experience on this matter, I just successfully filed a R4C on two traffic citations with my district court who apparently had never even come across a filing of this nature before.
          After a small conversation with the one of the senior clerks who gave me some direction on the format of a document being filed I came up with this:

          Name
          Address
          Town, State

          Complaint:
          Name of Court
          Traffic Citation #1`
          Traffic Citation #2

          Standing:
          First Last redeems federal reserve notes for law money pursuant 12 USC 411 and makes demand for libel of review regarding the following (photocopies of citations attached with R4C written across them).
          A copy of this court filing along with said presentments having been clearly refused for cause in red ink will be returned to Name of Court.

          Reliefthis was the initial sticking point with getting it filed properly)
          This R4C has been made and filed in a timely manner and shall serve as evidence to seek and obtain an injunction should Name of Court claim I have obligations to perform or makes false claims against me in the future.(thank you DM for this part).This action is taken pursuant Original Cognizance of the United States.

          Date
          Signature

          And voila! went right through with no problem.

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          • KnowLaw
            Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 84

            #20
            Modification to R4C Clerk Instruction

            Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
            Let me see if I have this right. Someone signed up for a license so that someone might make a use of taxpayer funded roadways of which the Federal Reserve Board of Governors would have an interest. In application of said license someone by express trust [signature bond in fidelity] agreed to bind one's self to the motor vehicle code in the State which that one occupies upon. And now when said applicant [for benefits] has been shown to be in violation of his/her word, by witness of an officer [dejure] of the Federal Reserve districts, then that one assumes that he/she can just refuse a good faith notice issued from the very same venue of which said license was obtained?

            If I was a judge I would ignore such a fruitless motion as r4c in this matter as well. Basically, this one gave his/her word and refuses to keep it. So be it. The benefit of license most likely will be revoked. Shoot if this matter came before my court I would have no other option but to do exactly that - justice must be done. And since God can't lie, man should not lie. ...

            I find it amazing that someone would actually make an argument before another man concerning his manhood. It is so simple - make a promise, then keep a promise. If you don't desire to contract then don't. But at least learn the law structure. For how can one make a use of law and then claim to be not subject to that law?
            What this poster is saying might be true if he had the facts straight. Unfortunately, he does not have the facts straight for everyone who might become involved in an issue such as this, and therefore is speaking (to use a David Merrill term) gibberish and only for himself, based upon a misunderstanding of lawful process.

            Someone signed up for a license so that someone might make a use of taxpayer funded roadways of which the Federal Reserve Board of Governors would have an interest.
            The driver license issued by a state is not a lawful contract at law. It does not contain the five requisites necessary for a lawful contract to come into existence. It is issued by a state based upon the evidence of a certificate of birth having been shown at the time of application. The certificate of birth identifies an artificial person who is presumed to be a U.S. citizen (to be clear here it is the artificial person who is presumed to be a U.S. citizen, not the natural man or woman), otherwise the person could not have been issued the birth certificate. Therefore the driver license is issued to the applicant as a privilege of assumed citizenship (according to the corporate charter, the U.S. Constitution, whose perceived nature was totally modified when amended by the 14th Amendment), but does not impose any compelled performance on the man or woman, only upon such person who agrees to be identified as the surety for the artificial person (legal fiction) NAMED on the license.

            Yet none of these facts are disclosed to the applicant either at the time or after the application for a driver license is made. The applicant is assumed
            ...then that one assumes that he/she can just refuse a good faith notice issued from the very same venue of which said license was obtained? If I was a judge I would ignore such a fruitless motion as r4c in this matter as well. Basically, this one gave his/her word and refuses to keep it.
            prima facie evidence of jurisdiction for the plaintiff in the matter. That evidence is enough for the court to proceed in the matter (that is, until the accused objects to the lack of a material fact relevant to jurisdiction not having been placed in evidence, but merely presumed).

            The refusal for cause takes place at the level of the two parties presumably in controversy, beforepresumedjust refusecause that is being referenced in the refusal for cause.

            Therefore, it is not a simple refusal to take seriously a complaint being lodge by another party. Someone who simply refuses such a complaint without referencing an objection to a material fact (whether that fact be of law or a fact related to what occurred which produced a wrong to one of the parties) stated in the complaint has responded to the matter just as it was laid out in the original complaint. In doing so, such respondent has waived both requisites for jurisdiction in the matter: both subject matter and personam jurisdiction. Therefore the matter may proceed forward as far as the court is concerned.

            When one properly objects to such a preposterous issue, and one uses a valid legal process to lodge that objection, one can prevail in the matter despite all the political rhetoric being bantered about by this poster.
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            • CommonLawWarrior
              Junior Member
              • Jun 2016
              • 20

              #21
              Originally posted by BarlyGurl View Post
              So, Here I am again. As George alluded, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO RESOLVE the ignoring of my R4C SUCCESSFULLY? Today, I was informed that my WA DL is suspended for traffic citations in OREGON. I executed proper and timely R4C's and they were ignored by the kangaroo court of non-record, conviction was published to the DOT and forwarded to my resident state. It was my insurance company who brought this to my attention..TODAY. I would really like some guidance here... the criminality of the faux court is what I want to overcome. It has been over a year now.

              This does leave one to feel as if one has been told of a promised land, but when Pharoah attacks, no one sticks around to fight him. I am sorry this happened to the LEGAL FICTION, and may be affecting you now!

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              • allodial
                Senior Member
                • May 2011
                • 2866

                #22
                Originally posted by powder View Post
                Why use a closed case file.

                Just use the certificate mailing number as the 'case number'. That is what they will do anyway, just like traffic court. the case # starts out as the ticket number and then gets converted to a case number.
                Delayed response but you're definitely onto something. One's mailbox is basically an extension of the court.
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