refuse for cause in illinois

[Richard Earl]

Dec 2, 2011

[David Merrill]

Thank you for sharing that here Richard Earl!

[Richard Earl]

This really has been uneventful which in itself worries me.

no results are returned when searching on www.judici.com.

[David Merrill]

This really has been uneventful which in itself worries me.

no results are returned when searching on www.judici.com.

If your case does not appear on this link (presuming you have a subscription), then it would appear your Refusal for Cause was effective. You might look on PACER and view your filing in your Libel of Review too. Just for fun.

I suppose the real test is next ticket or traffic stop. So you might get a certified copy from the USDC and put it in your glove box.

[Richard Earl]

There is nothing on the public search section. I don't currently have a subscription. I am awaiting my Pacer subscription kit to arrive in the mail.

[Richard Earl]

In my situation, the vehicle has plates from another jurisdiction (Canada).

Unless they forward on a message to the department of motor vehicles there.

[Richard Earl]

What may happen is what happened to me; I too refused for cause " no seat belt" and "no proof of insurance" tickets with the proper record of this refusal filed in the U.S. district court. There was no hearing set and the DL that I used was eventually suspended. My process was ignored since it never came before a "judge" in "court". When it came time for my wife to renew the registration on the car she uses, they denied her the renewel due to the DL suspension; both NAMES on the registration. I relented and paid the fine so as to avoid any roadside conflict for my wife and young children.

I say that the matter must go to a court hearing so as to force them to deal with the R4C process in court. That would avoid the easy avoidance by ignoring the process and just suspending the license for "failure to pay the fine".

If you don't care about the status of the DL, then all that doesn't matter at all.

What process arrived to the secretary of state to suspend the license, a memo?

[Richard Earl]

I went out to my vehicle yesterday to find the meter man walking up the street. He meandered around a bit before heading down the opposite direction on his cell phone. Other than that, to the refusal for cause..... no news.

[EZrhythm]

If you are in the States with Canadian plates, parking citations are void. A ticket was only left in hopes that it would just get paid. A plate/VIN # needs to be in their system with the particular corporate STATE having a security interest in the vehicle as evidenced with a Certificate of Title. Apparently, for this citation, your efforts to obtain an evidence repository will come up empty. Enjoy the knowledge and satisfaction of having a repository for future use.

[David Merrill]

Thanks EZ;


That makes a lot of sense.

[allodial]

If you are in the States with Canadian plates, parking citations are void. A ticket was only left in hopes that it would just get paid. A plate/VIN # needs to be in their system with the particular corporate STATE having a security interest in the vehicle as evidenced with a Certificate of Title. Apparently, for this citation, your efforts to obtain an evidence repository will come up empty. Enjoy the knowledge and satisfaction of having a repository for future use.

Until they came up with the "Interstate Compact" (includes Canadian Provinces afaik), folks with driver licenses from foreign States were pretty much off limits. Keep in mind that parking violation would be a bit different from a moving violation.

[David Merrill]

I believe there is a 30-Day Rule.

[Richard Earl]

Illinois does have a compact in the vehicle code - NONRESIDENT VIOLATOR COMPACT - but I believe that is for moving violations.

[Richard Earl]

A little more context - My license plates are expired (which begs the question, does that make the title expired?), but my Ontario's driver's license is still valid (2 yrs remaining -- clean record).

Today, I was followed by one police vehicle (3rd car behind me) for several blocks before reversing course. I know he was following me because our gaze connected briefly as he was turning left in front of me. He pulled a U-turn. LOL I pulled into Wal-Mart because that's where I was heading and about 10 mins later, I notice a different police vehicle (a supervisor I suspect) parked in the lot sitting there for 20 mins or so. Now, I work at this Wal-Mart and they are aware of my refusal for cause and my request for integrity in privacy. They are a good bunch of people (curious as well) and as long as nothing interferes with my job, I'm good there.

I will transfer my driver's license on Monday, since it's only proof of competency and if Illinois wants to know I'm competent, I can agree with that. I suspect they are looking for a moving violation to speak with me. However, I have a hard time handing over title to my car -- I don't want to do that -- it's real property and I don't need it monetized.

[EZrhythm]

A little more context - My license plates are expired (which begs the question, does that make the title expired?), but my Ontario's driver's license is still valid (2 yrs remaining -- clean record).

It's actually not a title but a color of title, appearing as one but not a true one. Technically it's merely a permission slip allowing the corporate STATE to have a security interest in the vehicle. No, they don't expire but they can be canceled or junked without actually junking the vehicle itself.

I will transfer my driver's license on Monday, since it's only proof of competency and if Illinois wants to know I'm competent, I can agree with that. I suspect they are looking for a moving violation to speak with me. However, I have a hard time handing over title to my car -- I don't want to do that -- it's real property and I don't need it monetized.

I'm sorry to hear that but I understand each must take his own path. The STATE OF ILLINOIS nor any other STATE OF ______ doesn't actually care to know who's competent even if their literature and agents express such.