Abraham Lincoln & Freemasonry

[allodial]

(You might do best to check this thread first.)

The below quote, though not in the below audio is from a volume 3 of a book called Scarlet & the Beast by a John Daniel. As to the truth of John Daniel's book, I make no assertions. However, it might give insight as to the there being strong distinctions between early 1700s Masonic lodges (which seem to have then been social clubs rather than religious orders) in early America and French/English Freemasonry. Lincoln apparently was not a Freemason at all.

The Present Attempt to Dissolve the American Union: A British Aristocratic Plot

The following is part one of two-part audio concerning Abraham Lincoln's lack of involvement in Freemasonry. Each of the two parts is only about ten minutes long and worth listening to IMHO.

[allodial]

Part II of the same audio.

[walter]

I am confused with what you are trying to express?
Are you saying Washington was a Masonic member? Or are you saying he wasn't?

Do you believe that William Cavendish, the 4th Duke of Devonshire, England played the role of Washington?
Or are you saying Washington was born and raised in the New World?

Did you know that Washington means "estate of a man named Wassa."

[allodial]

I am confused with what you are trying to express?
Are you saying Washington was a Masonic member? Or are you saying he wasn't?

Do you believe that William Cavendish, the 4th Duke of Devonshire, England played the role of Washington?
Or are you saying Washington was born and raised in the New World?

Did you know that Washington means "estate of a man named Wassa."

Why are you asking me what I believe? Why are you asking me what I'm 'trying to express'? What prevents you from seeing that Freemasonry and Masonry does not exist as a single/unified 'organization' or that the kind of "Freemasons" that came to the Americas in the mid-1800s weren't part of same kind of social/convivial club that existed in the 1500s to 1700s--i.e. architects'/stoneworkers' guilds (perhaps they taught philosophies as to city planning, urban development and the like to go along with it)? How about discussing or considering what is being 'expressed' through the videos links above? Do you have a vested interest in seeing to it that every truth or sound foundation of anything and everything worthwhile be destroyed, overturned, decimated or compromised? Do you like the idea of being a little mouse in the hands of PSYOPs kittens? Do you know that Washitaw is the name of an Indian nation?

P.S. There is a website called wellaware1.com you might like it. Lots of theories..with some, if any, substance--lots of things to get paranoid and wound up about though.

[David Merrill]

I think it more likely that Adam WEISHAUPT would be a replacement for George if that actually happened. I was combing a biography by George's doctor David RAMSEY - The Life of George Washington and only got past the Introduction when I found enough to convince me, but I was already suspicious so I am not risking being a fool until I find better evidence.

[David Merrill]

Paying attention to the thread topic though; Abraham LINCOLN carried a masonic scepter through his inauguration and then returned it to the Lodge.


Note the word doc, the transcribed letter about "Lincoln's Cane" at the bottom of this post. I call it a scepter because Abe did not like walking sticks and it is too short for a walking stick for Abe anyway.

[allodial]

The cane is an interesting artifact no doubt. But I still suspect we were dealing with more than one type of Masonry or Freemasonry. I suspect that architects and stonebuilders back then also learned about city planning, urban development, landscaping and more especially since they likely were more often than not in the employ of royalty. The anti-Christian, anti-Torah, anti-soul occultist of course then would be inclined to take over the guilds and social clubs were things like nation building were taught and where a Christian or Torah-based or moral basis was mandated as part of creating any societal system. The evidence tends toward Lincoln at least not being aligned with the Grand Orient or Scottish Rite style which Albert Pike seems to have been.

The question worth asking regarding the cane is whose idea was it that he carry it? I recall Lincoln always being compared to Moses among the Masons. Moses had a staff.

Re: Washington, you would think that the socialites in Virginia and his wife and family back at Mt. Vernon, Illinois would know the difference. Also, Washington did not follow in action with the philosophies of Weishaupt. Also, if it were Weishaupt you'd figure he'd have stayed close to Virginia rather than ever go to Mt. Vernon and be found out. Washington's wife and family would have noticed, no? From the record, Martha Washington outlived him. Also they had several children. Why didn't they notice the stunt double?

Re: the canes... it is suggested that the Chicago History Museum has at least six canes formerly owned by Lincoln. Perhaps he was apparently a collector or they were often given as gifts back then and he kept them just out of politeness? As for the 'inauguration staff', even if he needed a cane it was probably not the best impression for a new president to be seen as needing a walking stick to even get to the point where he could be sworn in. Perhaps the 'scepter' was a sign that he had the support of those particular Masons?

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All of the propaganda seems to mainly be designed to destroy people's confidence in anything--to stun and paralyze them psychologically..to neutralize them for the most part. (See 'double bind')

IMHO this helps put things in perspective--the roots of the American War for Independence were in a moral conflict arising out of extreme radicalism that was running its way through England (vis-a-vis secret societies that were infiltrating England from across the English Channel) and attempting to impose itself on America. 1700s England at some level was turning its back on its moral underpinnings and this was evident to the Colonists. The plot continued even through Lincoln's time with the goal to subject America to the Anti-Christ anti-image-of-God soulless-man World Oligarchy. The shoe dropped in 1901 with the McKinley assassination. The "Great Panic" and the Federal Reserve Bank weren't far behind.

Sarpi and Venice create the Rosicrucian cult of syncretic religion that becomes Freemasonry. Once that process of takeover is complete, England becomes the bastion of paganism: usury and slavery. In short, real Aristotelians. This hatred of imago Dei is the basis of England's promotion of the New Age.

Neoplatonism, man-as-souless-beast + Aristotlean oligarchies, the plot to remove Christianity and the Torah from obstructing the imposition of a World Debt Prison Oligarchy... (men of lawlessness posing as 'government')

Modern history commences with Nicolaus of Cusa and the Council of Florence, and the Italian Renaissance that Cusa and his collaborators inspired. It was Cusa, with the help of Pius II, who created the basis for a war on the pagan idea of man as a beast, and to defend the concept of man as imago Dei and capax Dei. It was the power of these ideas which caused the greatest increase in human population in the history of man. This idea of the power of hypothesis and its relationship to transforming nature proved conclusively that man was fundamentally different from the beast, and as such could not be used as a slave.

The word Elohim was for some reason translated as 'angels'. That is the same word used for God everywhere else in the Pentateuch.

• How The Venetians Took Over England and Created Freemasonry
• The Venetian Takeover of England: A 200-Year Project

[allodial]

[BLBereans]

This is absolutely fascinating stuff.

It really makes pieces of the puzzle fit together in a way not usually presented regarding the whole obsession with freemasons and illuminati.

Doesn't it always come back to the same thing; the undermining of the belief that man is created in the image of God, that we are His created children and no higher creature or creation exists on earth. You have presented a cohesive study which explains much regarding why this "man is beast" notion is critical to those who wish to keep the people on earth in perpetual debt. If man is "soul-less" he can be justifiably enslaved by those who claim to be of a higher intellect, a "superior race" or to have "secret knowledge".

Destroying God and disparaging Jesus the Christ our Lord and Savior, is essential to every aspiring tyrannical movement or regime. Whether it is an overt Dictatorship or a covert infiltration of a nation's government through spreading lies and false propaganda; the pagan agenda is ever present.

"Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste..."

The "nature of the game" is still confusing to most.

Thank you allodial.

[allodial]

You get the point. They are fully aware of Mankind's abilities and power of the power of the soul which is why they might be so hell-bent (perhaps literally) on controlling and imprisoning mankind. Perhaps they covet the control over Mankind while denying the real agenda because (to reveal the importance of the soul to them would reveal too much--especially them having lost theirs from having disconnected from Life through dark ritual). Key word: "pokerface". Also, consider that they have done things that have darkened their minds and to keep comfortable excuses for themselves they have a need to maintain the idea of soul-lessness for themselves (i.e. as an excuse for their own lawlessness--the stuff of secular humanism). Or perhaps they are describing their own state or existence and errantly projecting it on others?

What if the plot to establish a World Debt Oligarchy is really about keeping Mankind in a circle of oppression and fixation on the material world--carnally minded--so that that they might become moreso subject to manipulation by materialists (i.e. carnal mind). If you really think about it, they tacitly admit they know that men have souls otherwise they wouldn't have to go through so much trouble. Is it necessary that for a man that has a dog to perform constant trickery and medicate the dog every day to see to it that the dog remains a dog? No. Then why do they do what they do to Mankind unless they know exactly what they are doing?

[BLBereans]

I agree, regarding the hiding of the real agenda - the soul.

Also, I too believe that passage regarding Peter has been misinterpreted for some time now - Peter is NOT the "rock".

Thanks again.

[allodial]

The book referred to here is also quite insightful as to more recent and modern times -> Why Things Are the Way They are (Erica Carle). This too -> Give Us the Young / The Hate Factory. Those books help obviate the anti-soul, anti-imago Dei lurking behind modern public "education" and "secular humanism".

The Leipzig Connection - Systematic Destruction of American Education"] (<- direct link to PDF) (<- illustrates the link between the radical occult doctrines and the plots to undermine American education (anti-soul/changing the meaning of education) and books referred to at the following link also provide more insight -> Decrypting Education in America.

Interestingly enough, the word psychology is rooted in the word psyche which means 'soul' but yet they still outwardly deny the existence of the soul.

[george]

I find the whole thing suspicious including the bible itself which to me is most suspicious of all.

Interestingly enough, the word psychology is rooted in the word psyche which means 'soul' but yet they still outwardly deny the existence of the soul.

I think psyche means mind.

when you get right down to it though, its ALL hearsay!

[allodial]

I think psyche means mind.

Psyche (Strong's 5590)
Psyke (Goddess of the Soul)

I find the whole thing suspicious including the bible itself which to me is most suspicious of all. ...
when you get right down to it though, its ALL hearsay!

Consider how many people kill or act on 2nd hand information on a daily basis. The question is: what is worth hearing, believing or acting on out of all the options available?

[george]

Psyche (Strong's 5590)
Psyke (Goddess of the Soul)

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but I think it means mind, I think ALL is mind though ;-)

Consider how many people kill or act on 2nd hand information on a daily basis.

it really is like zombies or something..

The question is: what is worth hearing, believing or acting on out of all the options available?

most is worthy of consideration and Ive probably mentioned it here before but to believe in anything requires a lack of knowledge.

what is worth acting on? thats a tough question, cant say any of the options available are worthy, depends on circumstance mostly I guess.

I'd say trust instinct, seek within, & know thyself. I continue to work on these but still consider the other "options". its a judgement call but that could be at least part of the problem but then ignorance is also. balance seems to be a key.