Egregores

[allodial]

More coming soon....

[george]

hi allodial, interesting topic to me that I still dont quite comprehend. looking forward to more about it from you. I have enjoyed reading much of your posts here, only recently started posting myself though.

thanks

[allodial]

I once listed to a talk/sermon given by a Ravvi Zacharias. He was talking to a man who was Muslim but who was for some reason keen on learning more about Biblical Christianity. It was interesting that the centerpiece was in that those who are about truth seek truth--that they draw it to them powerfully. So this thread was started a while back and now continued with delay. I had come across the concept of egregores some time ago. The importance of the topic IMHO is in comprehending that there are those might consciously using this knowledge against masses if they can and also in comprehending why social systems or governments might get to a point where they seem to take far more than they give back.

Let's start off into deeper discussion with mention of the Philip Experiment which seems worth of note although that is said to pertain to a "tulpa" rather than an egregore.

So of course I'm far from promoting seances or strange practices. However, its interesting the idea that, say, with legal entities such as corporations, not existing in Nature. But the question is, do they exist in some manner? Why were the forms of 'beasts' in Daniel seen as they were? Is that the form they took in a 'spiritual' sense even though not apparent to the physical eye?

It just seems fascinating in the descriptions given to the natures of egregores that when they decay, they are said to draw lots from their 'members' or 'participants' while giving very little--fascinating in that it seems too uncanny to overlook that in view of how some describe their experiences with many US cities or or various Governments.

What is an egregore? According to various sources:

An egregore is a thoughtform, a creation of the human mind.

An egregore is a manifestation of a group consciousness, which can become powerful enough to take on a life of its own. It becomes driven by the collective (and often unintentional) willpower of large numbers of people.

I knew someone who had very clear and distinct dreams but realized the moment he started a full time employment job, his mind..his vision just...got clouded. But once he left the job, after a while (recovery?) his head was clear again? As I read about egregores, I couldn't help but recall such.



Again, one source mentions decaying egregores and it just seemed too truthful or pragmatic to disregard:

Further ...

These egregores are what was described by Charles Baudelaire as huge Chimeras on our backs, which pull us down and feed on our energy, but which we nevertheless consider to be a natural part of ourselves. Only looking from the outside of the system helps us to understand how ridiculous that believe is.

What is a 'chimera'?

The Chimera was, according to Greek mythology, a monstrous fire-breathing hybrid creature of Lycia in Asia Minor, composed of the parts of more than one animal. Usually depicted as a lioness with full breasts, with the head of a goat arising from her back, and a tail that might end with a snake's head,[1] the Chimera was one of the offspring of Typhon and Echidna and a sibling of such monsters as Cerberus and the Lernaean Hydra.

Even if one finds this all to be nonsense, there apparently have existed many who not only believe in such but who have used their knowledge for sinister purposes.

Might diversity of citizenship or nationality translate into a chimera being denied access?



Related:

To Each His Own Chimera (Re: Charles Baudelaire)
The Philip Experiment

[george]

oh yeah.. I knew it was heavy, just didnt grasp how heavy!

as an example then. it doesnt matter if one believes in (insert any religions deity here) or not, the collective does.

I think I was first introduced to this word (egregore) when researching psychology. very powerful either way it seems and makes me wonder how it relates to the archons.

wow

[allodial]

Its rather well know among fantasy buffs that dragons can take on human form.

[george]

wonder how it relates to the archons.

they seem very related.. except the Archons are said to have been created in the beginning.

Egregores are strictly a human creation, no?





edit: just a thought..

we can plan what to say/write, we can plan out our day tomorrow, we can even plan out our week, even months and years ahead.. maybe we should plan ahead our afterlife? fascinating! not sure why I was compelled to write this here but it is something to think about.



2nd edit: the legal name! its an egregore! OH $#!^

[Keith Alan]

2nd edit: the legal name! its an egregore! OH $#!^

And so must be the given name, or any other name.

[george]

And so must be the given name, or any other name.

those dont take on a life of their own like the legal name (legal fiction) though, that legal name, not only comes to life but is immortal in the same sense.

An egregore is a manifestation of a group consciousness, which can become powerful enough to take on a life of its own. It becomes driven by the collective (and often unintentional) willpower of large numbers of people.

it is said that the ancient egyptians used sounds and tones to bring things to life, a name has a sound and a tone.

[allodial]

the legal name! its an egregore! OH $#!^

You just might be onto something.

[george]

You just might be onto something.

or something else..

from:
http://www.archangels-and-angels.com/misc/grigori.html

The word "egregore" (also "grigori") is a transliteration of the Greek word, egregoroi, meaning "watchers". This word appears in the septuagint translation of the Book of Lamentations, as well as the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Enoch.

Therefore an egregore is an angel, sometimes called watcher; in Hebrew the word is ir, and the concept appears in The Book of Enoch. Thus, Irim, the city of the Nephilim is again linked with the Book of Enoch, since the Nephilim, according to that Book, were the sons of the Irim (the egregores.). .Although the Irim, the egregores, are angels on both sides of the camp - fallen angels as well as faithful ones.

Hmmm..

and from http://www.illuminati-news.com/00360.html

This is the spirit the egregore connects us with that fills us and carries us. It is this spirit that breathes in us, inspires us with brotherly love, relief, truth and charity.

OK..

then this: I find this distinction most interesting because to me these two are one. I need to contemplate this more.

thanks

[allodial]

You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become? -Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

Interesting quote.

[george]

a GLP search turns up some interesting data on the subject:

EGREGORE: An engergized astral form produced consciously or unconsciously by human agency. In particular, (a) a strongly characterized form, usually an archetypal image, produced by the imaginative and emotional energies of a religious or magical group collectively, or (b) an astral shape of any kind, deliberately formulated by a magician to carry a specific force. The Aurum Solis

Egregore: from a Greek word meaning "watcher." A thought-form created by will and visualization. A group egregore is the distinctive energy of a specific group of magicians who are working together, creating and building the same thought-form or energy-form. from: Golden Dawn Glossary

"Any symbolic pattern that has served as a focus for human emotion and energy will build up an egergor of its own over time, and the more energy that is put into such a pattern, the more potent the egregor that will form around it. The gods and goddesses of every religion, past and present, are at the centers of vast egregors charged with specific kinds of power. This power is defined by, and contacted through, the traditional symbolism of the deity in question." John Michael Greer, from: Inside a Magical Lodge

"The egregor is always an invisible and spiritual being, which is coupled with a physical entity. When several people on the earth unite around a common idea, they give birth to an egregora... this being is then going to become independent and have its own life which will be capable of influencing human beings and history. This is a terrifying secret which was carefully hidden inside the ancient mysteries. They called it: "The art of creating Gods". Then there was the war of the Gods...Man became a pawn in the hands of the egregors. He became the slave of the beings which he himself had created; and now he is obliged to feed them with his blood and his life." Olivier Manitara, from: "The Egregor of the Dove and the Triumph of Free Peace"

"What is an egregore? It is the psychic and astral entity of a group. All members of a group, a family, a club, a political party, a religion or even a country, are psychically included in the egregore of the organization to which they belong. Of course, each of us belongs to several egregores at once. Therefore, each individual who is involved in a group receives the influences of the egregores, that is the astral counterpart of the group, in his psyche. This process is unconscious. The resulting drawbacks are, first, some perturbating psychic influences in the majority of cases, and second, a restriction of inner freedom. It is impossible to free oneself from certain egregores, for example the egregores of the country you live in. However, we should free ourselves from all egregores which are not essential. An egregore actually grows by drawing support from the members which constitute it who, in turn, through their repeated actions vivify it, somehow helping it to maintain its power." The Philosophers of Nature, Inc. from "Fundamentals of Esoteric Knowledge: Lesson" 1

"ARTIFICIAL GROUP ELEMENTAL - a large energy field hovering over the heads of individuals in a gathering which has a strong influence on each individual; 1. Energy field is composed of thought energy coming from individuals; field is formed and sustained because of the unity of thoughts and emotions; all minds are focused on one subject, one goal, one concept, or one attitude brought about telepathically by the tone and pitch of the words of the leader or music; elemental becomes recharged as the meeting progresses if the group keeps this unity of emotion and thought; 2. Elemental has an independent existence outside the consciousness of the thinkers and is capable of influencing each person individually to react emotionally in a manner one could not or would not be capable of individually away from the group; 3. Elemental disperses as rapidly as it is formed when the group is dismissed as the crowd no longer has continuity of existence; 4. e.g., individuals at a concert frequently weep because the oneness, joy and awe become overwhelming; young adults at a rock festival scream and tear off clothing because the music is choreographed to tune into these levels of the brain and the massness of feelings thrust them into this: soldiers attend military drills frequently in the sameness of uniform; this, along with the saluting and music reinforces their patriotism; destructive-brainwashing cult members meet daily or bi-daily to engage in repetitious verbiage and phrase shouting to keep the cult-programming" at an emotional peak. [cf. ELEMENTAL, MASS HYPNOSIS, DESTRUCTIVE-BRAINWASHING CULTS]." The Donning International Encyclopedic Psychic Dictionary by June G. Beltzer, Ph.D.

edit: while searching for more infos I found this video where the guy goes into how the United Sates is an egregore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6pPLViBSEM

this topic has really helped me to "see" some things that Ive been missing. thanks again allodial.

[pumpkin]

"Philip Aylesford"

Inviting in a spirit is a dangerous thing. Satan and one third of the angels were cast down, and my guess is they are up to no good. They do not care who or what you worship, as long as it is not God.

[george]

hi pumpkin,

I think we have "invited" more spirits than we realize. this thread helps us to realize that.

currently Im starting to see how the power of the mind has created many things and how mind power when combined increases that power.

where Im at now is trying to understand the difference between psyche and spirit, could they be one and the same?

how do you define "God" and is it your definition or someone elses? I seek to know what god or gods truly is and not what someone else or foreign entity says god or gods is, its not easy.

[pumpkin]

Well, George, one man's religion is another man's psychosis, but I think we are spiritual beings and that there is a God, creator. I didn't always think that, but I realized that if there is no God, then everything we see is an accident. I have lived long enough to know, accidents do not cause order, but just the opposite. I think the free will God gave us creates a paradox. That some would chose to deny their creator. Other beings chose this path too and some of those beings are a bit more powerful than ourselves. They aren't anything to be toying with, IMO. Some of them are inherently evil and will deceive in order to manipulate you. I define God as the designer and creator of our universe.