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  • Michael Joseph
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 1596

    #16
    Originally posted by Chex View Post
    But what exactly is jurisdiction?
    In my Opinion: which means this is my due diligence : you weigh the following in the balance and decide for yourself:

    To fulfill means to do the Law. How can a Kingdom exist absent any Law? It can't and those that deny Law deny the existence of the Kingdom. Those that perform the Law acknowledge the Kingdom which is to say the King and His Dominion. So the question remains, What Law for what venue? See how you testify against yourself? State your name and address for the record. Think about that.

    This is how you Represent yourself. You, the living man/woman speak for your Estate which is created in the Name of the Person birthed by the State of Record. It is the Person that is summoned. The actors for the Estate appear to speak on its behalf. Where is your Estate lodged? And are you the authorized representative? If you are not the authorized representative of your Estate, then one must have a Power of Attorney to address the charges against the Estate. Thus you are given the opportunity to have a practicing attorney speak for your Estate, or you can speak for the Estate because you have an interest in the Estate, or you have granted a Power of Attorney to a third party to speak for your Estate.

    But I digress, I am focused this morning on Diversity - and I don't write concerning citizenship - I write concerning where you place your Trust. Most today can only see the Duality of the FRS or the US thus they remain moving the Person birthed by the State of Record. This is a curse in Materialism. There is a third path that is to leave those two choices and place your Trust in Jesus the Christ of Yehovah Most High. In the former there is a choice - Democracy or Republic, in the latter a Theocracy. The wise of this age will think the latter to be foolish. So be it.

    Nevertheless, I write to the former choices for one who makes a use of the Person birthed of State. Now do you understand Parens PatriaeNo state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

    Therefore, if I choose to engage my Person to the Federal Reserve System, then my Will has been done and I freely consented to this private contract. Thus the Constitution cannot help me anymore. I have by my free will and choice waived any protection that I might have enjoyed. Now sharpen up: What has just been laid out is why there is a presumption that the Constitution is no more. In fact, 99.99999% of the people have waived protections provided for in said Constitution in private contract to the Federal Reserve. As such, whenever there remains a presumption - I ALWAYS go to the USDC get a certified copy of my default judgment and lodge it in any court case. Consider just how powerful is that action. In one deed, all the protections of the Constitution are provided me at once. Now instead of being made chattel I have at my disposal SERVANTS [government]. And those servants are at once liable in their personal capacity should they infringe upon Legal Duties they owe me - per their existing agreement.

    They took an oath

    Now consider, that the reason most officers don't take an oath today is that, in most cases, the people are so dumbed-down that they don't know how to hold their servants in check and they have all privately contracted out from under the SHADE of that Compact. Thus if one is in private contract with the Federal Reserve system, then that one is BARRED against any ability to direct his/her servants to any duty. It is just the opposite - the would be trustee is now only subject to a status of Customer Service Representative for the Company Store. Welcome to UCC land.


    I can hear Tennessee Ernie FORD singing the blues.



    Have a great day.


    Regards,
    Michael Joseph
    The blessing is in the hand of the doer. Faith absent deeds is dead.

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    • Keith Alan
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 324

      #17
      Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
      My point was very much simpler - Declaring a citizenship is to declare one's self special, isolated to a nation, alone and separate.
      If it's not too personal of a question, are you a stateless man?

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      • allodial
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 2866

        #18
        For the purpose of this Convention, the term "stateless person" means a person who is not considered as a national by any State {meaning UN member state} under the operation of its law.

        (Source: Convention relating to the Status of Stateless Persons Adopted on 28 September 1954 by a Conference of Plenipotentiaries convened by Economic and Social Council resolution 526 A (XVII) of 26 April 1954 Entry into force: 6 June 1960, in accordance with article 39)

        "Stateless" is a UN legal term which refers to a person lacking citizenship or nationality in any U.N. member state. It can have other meanings but that is that typical meaning that gets obscured after being rehashed, chopped up, cherries, mustard, mayo and pickles added on top as it with passes through pushers of myriad diatribes and philosophies. It does not necessarily mean someone who lacks nationality or citizenship of any kind. It is possible to be citizen or national of a well-known nation or country, land or jurisdiction an be 'stateless'. It is also expected in "international law" that parties to treaties be aware of internal matters or structures of the other parties to such treaty. A party to a treaty is not always a "high contracting party".

        Statelessness is associated with refugee status because if a UN member ceases to exist due to a war or the like, then those persons who were citizens or nationals are now without a UN member state to be attached to and thusly in legalese: 'stateless'.

        The kingdom of God is widely known but afaik isn't a U.N. member state. The de jure and organic land of Delaware isn't to knowledge a U.N. member state. The House of Windsor isn't to knowledge a U.N. member state. The commonwealth of Israel referred to in the New Testament isn't to knowledge, a U.N. member state. Taiwan is not a U.N. member state.

        There are two hundred and six countries in the world, one hundred and ninety of which are totally undisputed and sixteen which are. One hundred and ninety three of these countries are member states of the United Nations. The Vatican City State, a country which is recognised by all, is only an observer state, yet Israel, which is considered by some to be of dubious sovereignty, is a member state.

        There are several areas around the world which have been functioning as independent nations for decades, but because of a political dispute with another nation they remain unrecognised, such as Taiwan, Northern Cyprus or Western Sahara.

        Several areas around the world are also mistakenly considered as independent countries when they are in fact territories of other nations. The most commonly mistaken regions being Greenland, which is a territory of the sovereign state of Denmark, England, which makes up part of the sovereign state known as the United Kingdom and Tasmania, which is an island state of the sovereign state of Australia.
        The term "world" can mean the cognizable or observable jurisprudence extents of a legal entity or state. The "world" according to the State of Florida is all things "State of Florida".


        "World. This term sometimes denotes all persons whatsoever who may have, claim, or acquire an interest in the subject-matter; as in saying that a judgment in rem binds "all the world".
        In legalese, I suspect that the term 'world' rarely, if at all ever, refers to the planet called "Earth". And "earth" as a word can simply refer to a "land" or "estate" local to the speaker. The phrase "inhabitants of the earth" can be synonymous with "inhabitants of the land" or "inhabitants of this state/earth/land" and is not necessarily synonymous with "inhabitants of the Earth" (i.e. the planet as distinguished from a local reference to a land, expanse of soil, estate or country)."
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        "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
        "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
        Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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        • Michael Joseph
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 1596

          #19
          Originally posted by allodial View Post

          The kingdom of God is widely known but afaik isn't a U.N. member state. The de jure and organic land of Delaware isn't to knowledge a U.N. member state. The House of Windsor isn't to knowledge a U.N. member state. The commonwealth of Israel referred to in the New Testament isn't to knowledge, a U.N. member state. Taiwan is not a U.N. member state.
          You know it is a shame that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is NEVER taught. Which is not about Jesus at all. Jesus was the messenger proclaiming the coming of the Kingdom of God which is the restoration of the Government of God in the Earth. That is the good news.

          Now what is the Gospel - it is the Proclamation of the Kingdom of God and it shall go out to all the Nations as a witness AGAINST them.

          Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

          What is taught today in the so called churches - not all - but most, is not fit. Why do the churches preach about the person of Jesus? To destroy the messenger and bury the message. Do you think for a minute that any U.N. chartered 501c3 would be able to preach the coming Kingdom of God and not lose its tax free status? See the conflict of interest?

          With best regards,
          MJ
          The blessing is in the hand of the doer. Faith absent deeds is dead.

          Lawful Money Trust Website

          Divine Mind Community Call - Sundays 8pm EST

          ONE man or woman can make a difference!

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          • allodial
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 2866

            #20
            Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
            You know it is a shame that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is NEVER taught.
            Those out to harvest souls to power projects contrary to the will of God probably don't want many to know the truth which would reveal their own value among other things. Cradle-to-grave indoctrination of "everything that has value is external" is "big business" (i.e. sex, drugs, shiny things, etc.). It has even been indicated that most energy in the Universe comes from living organisms rather than from clinical, sterile, soulless physical processes.

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            P.S. David Merrill's point is probably to express affinity with the Inner Kingdom.

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            Last edited by allodial; 10-06-14, 10:22 PM.
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            "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
            "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
            Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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            • Michael Joseph
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 1596

              #21
              Originally posted by allodial View Post
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              In this current flesh age [2nd Age], the Kingdom has to be within those Called and Sanctified because it has yet to manifest upon the Earth. That is another one of those aspects never taught. New Jerusalem - or Yehovah Shammah DESCENDS to the Earth.

              And oh yes, there will be citizens in the Kingdom of God. And there will be those who will occupy within the Godhead.
              The blessing is in the hand of the doer. Faith absent deeds is dead.

              Lawful Money Trust Website

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              • doug555
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 418

                #22
                Originally posted by allodial View Post
                Those out to harvest souls to power projects contrary to the will of God probably don't want many to know the truth which would reveal their own value among other things. Cradle-to-grave indoctrination of "everything that has value is external" is "big business" (i.e. sex, drugs, shiny things, etc.). It has even been indicated that most energy in the Universe comes from living organisms rather than from clinical, sterile, soulless physical processes.

                [ATTACH=CONFIG]1956[/ATTACH]

                P.S. David Merrill's point is probably to express affinity with the Inner Kingdom.

                Related:

                Read carefully Daniel 7:13-28 and consider the strong indication given here that the Kingdom of God will be as real and as literal as the preceding 4 beast-kingdoms (Babylon, Persia, Greek and Rome) which it will literally replace, as predicted by the 4th Annual Holyday - The Feast of Trumpets.

                IMO, the agenda and impulse promoting the "within kingdom" position is due to the natural carnal desire to avoid the literal aspect of external obedience to the Word of Creator, as well as to suppress the literalness of the 7 BIG EVENTS depicted by the Creator's 7 Annual Holydays.

                This matter will be soon settled by a literal fulfillment of the first Spring-Harvest Phase of the Kingdom of God on earth, as prophesied by the 2nd and 3rd Annual Holydays - The "High Purpose" of WWII - for which we have been kept free to this day. For a Talkcast on this topic, listen to: http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-30428/TS-902205.mp3

                If the Messiah is the King of this Kingdom, would it not also be accurate for Him to say that the Kingdom, in His Person, was among or in the midst of those He was speaking to at that moment?

                See: http://www.biblestudytools.com/luke/17-21-compare.html
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                • Michael Joseph
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 1596

                  #23
                  For more on that I would highly recommend reading a small pamphlet that I just found well today. This pastor taught the Ages in the same manner as I teach them but he uses different verses that I use which is refreshing. I especially enjoyed part II.

                  CLICK ME.


                  Regards,
                  MJ
                  The blessing is in the hand of the doer. Faith absent deeds is dead.

                  Lawful Money Trust Website

                  Divine Mind Community Call - Sundays 8pm EST

                  ONE man or woman can make a difference!

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                  • doug555
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 418

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
                    For more on that I would highly recommend reading a small pamphlet that I just found well today. This pastor taught the Ages in the same manner as I teach them but he uses different verses that I use which is refreshing. I especially enjoyed part II.

                    CLICK ME.


                    Regards,
                    MJ
                    I attended HWA's Worldwide Church of God from 1971 to 1995, when I left because of the "apostasy from within".

                    Notice, that HWA did NOT understand Chapters 4 or 5 of Revelation... referring to them merely as "Prelude - Setting" on page 9.

                    It was not given to him to understand these.

                    We can understand these NOW - seeing Ch 4 depicting Holyday 2, and Ch 5 depicting Holyday 3.

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                    • Michael Joseph
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 1596

                      #25
                      Originally posted by doug555 View Post
                      I attended HWA's Worldwide Church of God from 1971 to 1995, when I left because of the "apostasy from within".

                      Notice, that HWA did NOT understand Chapters 4 or 5 of Revelation... referring to them merely as "Prelude - Setting" on page 9.

                      It was not given to him to understand these.

                      We can understand these NOW - seeing Ch 4 depicting Holyday 2, and Ch 5 depicting Holyday 3.

                      [ATTACH]1957[/ATTACH]

                      I have read now a couple of his books and I found his pamphlets today and I read three of them. Yes there is a pouring out of the Spirit that is to come - a Fall Harvest as it were. I am enjoying his presentments.
                      Last edited by Michael Joseph; 10-07-14, 12:09 AM.
                      The blessing is in the hand of the doer. Faith absent deeds is dead.

                      Lawful Money Trust Website

                      Divine Mind Community Call - Sundays 8pm EST

                      ONE man or woman can make a difference!

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                      • allodial
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 2866

                        #26
                        Of course good and holy internal order brings in outward results.

                        Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
                        And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Lk. 24:49
                        Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. Ephesians 5:1
                        But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.
                        At Ephesians 1 it is asserted that after the resurrection that Christ was made to sit (i.e. a kingdom being conferred not merely given a 'comfy chair') in the heavenlies at the right hand of God. The order of events it seems was that the kingdom was conferred to Jesus then Acts 2 Pentecost Day events transpired. The saints were to tarry at Jerusalem until the seating referred to at Ephesians 1. Once the conferring was done they were endued with power--very simple to comprehend. This was some time ~33 AD. Thusly that kingdom has been active and in effect since then. There are those who suggest that the seating referred to at Ephesians 1 pertains to the throne of David. In any case, Ephesians 1/2 and Acts 2 both pertain to a very, very real and literal kingdom. What be it otherwise? AFAIK Acts 2 isn't mere allegory.

                        P.S. I wouldn't presume any flaky New Agey emanations coming from this direction.

                        Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Acts 7:49
                        "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
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                        All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

                        "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
                        "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
                        Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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                        • doug555
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 418

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
                          I have read now a couple of his books and I found his pamphlets today and I read three of them. Yes there is a pouring out of the Spirit that is to come a Fall Harvest as it were. I am enjoying his presentments.
                          HWA made the same mis-take that the religious leaders of the Messiah's time did - they all looked to the FALL Harvest - ignoring Passover - and ending up killing the Messiah.

                          Let's not make that same mis-take today, by looking to the FALL Harvest, and end up killing His Body now - The Firsfruits that will fulfill the Spring Harvest that has NOT YET COME.

                          Holyday 2 has NOT been fulfilled yet!

                          Holyday 3 - Pentecost - has NOT occurred yet.

                          The Acts 2 Pentecost was a type of the Spring Harvest that has NOT occurred yet (as depicted in Joel 2:28, with the "After this" referring to the fulfillment of the Holyday 2 Event in verses 18-27).

                          Then again, the Spring Harvest will be a TYPE of the pouring out of the spirit in the Fall Harvest (Holydays 6 &7 AFTER the Messiah's return).

                          This is NOT rocket science - This diagram shows how elegantly simple and logical the 7 BIG EVENTS (Holydays) are - the perfect use of the TYPE/ANTITYPE METHODOLOGY to prepare a Divine Family of God-Beings.

                          This is the DIVINE "path to citizenship" in the Divine Kingdom.
                          Last edited by doug555; 10-07-14, 12:55 AM.

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                          • Chex
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 1032

                            #28
                            Originally posted by doug555 View Post
                            Let's not make that same mis-take today, by looking to the FALL Harvest, and end up killing His Body now - The Firsfruits that will fulfill the Spring Harvest that has NOT YET COME. This is the DIVINE "path to citizenship" in the Divine Kingdom.
                            Shortly after the election of Barack Obama, it became all too clear that DHS intended to lay the foundation for a massive purge of Christians and liberty oriented citizens, conservative Christians clinging to guns and Bibles. http://www.examiner.com/article/dhs-...ented-citizens
                            "And if I could I surely would Stand on the rock that Moses stood"

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                            • pumpkin
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2014
                              • 174

                              #29
                              Citizen is now a 'term of art', as is person and individual. A corporation is now a citizen, and a person. Immigrants can become citizens of the United States, and by doing so, also become 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'. NOT a good idea IMO. I am a man and one of the people. I have never seen either defined by government, as they cannot be. They are the creator of government, and the created cannot define the creator.

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                              • allodial
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 2866

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Chex View Post
                                Shortly after the election of Barack Obama, it became all too clear that DHS intended to lay the foundation for a massive purge of Christians and liberty oriented citizens, conservative Christians clinging to guns and Bibles. http://www.examiner.com/article/dhs-...ented-citizens
                                Its spiritual warfare. If you bind or bar the spirits of darkness from operating in America those they impel will lose their impetus. Its that simple. They keep motivating you to use physical means because the Adversaries lack adequate spiritual means to defend against the sons and daughters of God. If you look back in history you'll see remarks of how after the resurrection the oracles and spells in Rome stopped working. The key reason they want rid of true believers is because true believers trump their spellwork. Look at the rank/level explained at Ephesians 1 & 2. The witches and warlock CANNOT do anything of a higher order than a true believer. To reiterate, they are aware of the power and rank differentials thusly getting people to rely on less than adequate means requires use of mental/emotional methods. If you have the best and most powerful weapon at your disposal, an intelligent adversary might try to use means to get you to fall back to something less adequate.

                                Keep in mind that both DHS and the Government of the United States are subordinate to someone, something...somehow.

                                Related: Egregores
                                Last edited by allodial; 10-07-14, 07:50 PM.
                                All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

                                "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
                                "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
                                Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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