Express trust

[David Merrill]

Care to elucidate a bit more on your thoughts here? I wasn't able to draw any meaning from what you linked other than the P-Appellant's statement concerning his reason for instigating the action..typical grasping-for-straws action instigated by disgruntled mortgagor who wasn't able to perform their undertaking or remedy the default? Or something I'm missing?

Some patriots feel that all federal court is or should be Article III judiciary. Some others feel that there is no Article III court available. In my complaint about Colorado criminal syndicalism I allow for some leverage that I may take this matter into Article III original jurisdiction with the US Supreme Court.

On Page 10 of 110 in the linked Complaint I speak of 153 and the Right Side of the Boat. This is akin to what MJ might be speaking about when he designates OFFICES to Cain and Abel. I model this to be more akin to a dialogue in Shutter Island during the storm about Men of Violence and Violent Men. This is because the same Mark (stigma) is upon both the Sons of Evil and the Sons of Man. Which OATH is both the mark upon Cain's forhead and the mark upon Sons of Seth, Exodus 13:16. Notice how the Complaint indicts a criminal syndicalism based in distorting oaths of office so that government is protected from the people, rather than the other way around.

So possibly one reason that I simply pass over requests for more explanation is my way of providing way too much information? After all, should this be filed into the US Supreme Court under Rule 17.1 it could easily lead to hundreds of convicts, even confessed criminals demanding their cases be reviewed and retried because the judicial officers were defrauding their own courtrooms...

What I offer in the complaint is a quiet way around all that. After all, I appreciate the Men of Violence keeping a rein on Violent Men.

[pumpkin]

"hi pumpkin,

yes "Govern-mental" exactly, thats the one that really got me started looking at words much differently than before. Ive been heading in a more phonic direction most recently. what sounds are the words composed of? (and why) just seems the right direction. cant trust the spells or much else either so why not see where the sound leads."

The thing that really got me looking into law was the 501C3. The churches didn't ever need the exemption, and it didn't exist until the '50s. It is a blatant attempt for the servant to conquer his master's master. It is despicable. It takes God out of the hearts and minds of men concerning politics (this is where no preaching at the pulpit comes from). A government that will do this, will do anything and everything (already shown to be true). They are inspired by true evil (though most don't know or realize it).

[walter]

Some patriots feel that all federal court is or should be Article III judiciary. Some others feel that there is no Article III court available. In my complaint about Colorado criminal syndicalism I allow for some leverage that I may take this matter into Article III original jurisdiction with the US Supreme Court.

Article III federal courts versus United States District Courts

https://supremecourtcase.wordpress.com/

[Michael Joseph]

Cain and Nimrod are historically regarded to have built religions based on coercive violence and to have built cities through kidnapping (reducing men to chattel -> temple desecration?)--blind coercive faith is perhaps hoped for to keep that kind of system together. Because he saw the value in others trusting him doesn't mean he necessarily trusted anyone else.

God's sons and children know the significance of the verifiable, pragmatic and provable faith by which the worlds were created. For, faith is: [1] the substance of things hoped for, [2] the evidence of things not seen.

Yes but try to think about the inner temple - Me or You. Cain is an aspect of me which seeks the "I" it is my personality which seeks to dominate and rule under my understandings of which I was and am able to discern thru my experience [tilling the ground] - Abel is an aspect of Me and You which is a shepherd of God's Truths.

When these are seen as aspects in Me then the work is undertaken to reverse the roles. In love I do not require trust - I require Honor. Trust is subject to Love. Faith is wonderful - but let us push past Faith into Perfection which is the union of Love - Wisdom - Truth.

Pilate, the lower aspect, asked of Jesus, the higher aspect, "what is truth?" This is a symbol to show that the lower cannot understand what is higher and the higher must redeem the lower. Faith is wonderful and is in fact a Title Deed to the Vineyard - but Love is better. I find many religions today propagated by the use of fear.

What is interesting to me is that the "burden of proof is cast upon the believer." Why is this so? Who has the claim one who claims God or one who denies God? Are these not both claims? Can one man save another? If not, then why is the burden of proof cast upon the believer? And this burden of proof is it not propounded in words? What of a man's deeds?

I do not think that man has been reduced to chattel, rather I think Trust Accounts were created of which man makes a use and in doing so his deeds subject said one to the administration of said accounts. The husbandman [men] know it is not lawful to tax a son of the living God.

Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Nevertheless, the Husbandmen also know that All Things are subject to the claim establishing dominion.

Gen 9:2 And the reverence of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

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For instance the preacher says "look at the signs of the times" and yet what does Jesus say?

Mat_12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah:

Clearly he speaks not to men and women having physical sex without the wedding bed - and yet the Carnal reflects a higher truth!

Make a promise - keep a promise. And the lower shall be made subject to the higher.

[george]

Answer me this: Whereof is Property birthed? And whereof is Estate formed?

yes, very good question to ask ourselves. Ive heard some say that property is what is proper to a man and this makes a lot more sense to me that anything else, would you agree?

and estate, is interest in a state, correct?

yes that is true and no man should trust another so to your point, I would always maintain do not trust one single word that I have ever written - study to show thyself approved.

sometimes Im not sure I can even trust my self.. and consider that may be an even bigger problem than trusting others or maybe even why i dont trust others. if that makes sense, can anyone else relate to it?

All things are subject to the Husbandman for it is His Vineyard and thusly subject to His courts.

i find myself puzzeled by this but I know you have covered it elsewhere and I should "get it" by now so I think I need to spend more time reading older posts again.

Thusly Claim, Dominion, Property, Estates should be examined carefully in regard to how these are established.

yeah! one wrong move and... but on the other side of that coin, one can become paralyzed by too much caution. more study indeed required no doubt.

So possibly one reason that I simply pass over requests for more explanation is my way of providing way too much information? After all, should this be filed into the US Supreme Court under Rule 17.1 it could easily lead to hundreds of convicts, even confessed criminals demanding their cases be reviewed and retried because the judicial officers were defrauding their own courtrooms...

What I offer in the complaint is a quiet way around all that. After all, I appreciate the Men of Violence keeping a rein on Violent Men.

possibly, but that would seem to indicate that you think some here might initiate such events. and it does seem reasonable (the quiet way around all that) but the system is chewing up lots of good men, women and families and it is certainly not getting any better in fact it seems to be steamrolling to say the least so I worry about the future for the very young and yet unborn here. does this not cross your mind?

The thing that really got me looking into law was the 501C3. The churches didn't ever need the exemption, and it didn't exist until the '50s. It is a blatant attempt for the servant to conquer his master's master.

it would seem so.

It is despicable. It takes God out of the hearts and minds of men concerning politics
(this is where no preaching at the pulpit comes from). A government that will do this, will do anything and everything (already shown to be true). They are inspired by true evil (though most don't know or realize it).

well.. I can relate to this but i also consider it may be also part of a god or gods plan somehow. its hard to see it like this though but if so that would require lots of exercise in forgiveness i suppose. this is something I think about alot. why this is. I just truely hope that it is actually a divinely inspired plan instead of an evil one.


thanks

[Michael Joseph]

[pumpkin]

"well.. I can relate to this but i also consider it may be also part of a god or gods plan somehow."

I certainly believe that it is. IMO, the Truth has died from this earth. We have a front row seat of the deception, corruption and lies that comes with that separation from the Truth. The Truth has died so that we shall live, and make the right choices in the spiritual world when that separation from the Truth ends. It doesn't mean we should not oppose it, but it may also mean that we cannot win.

[Michael Joseph]

"well.. I can relate to this but i also consider it may be also part of a god or gods plan somehow."

I certainly believe that it is. IMO, the Truth has died from this earth. We have a front row seat of the deception, corruption and lies that comes with that separation from the Truth. The Truth has died so that we shall live, and make the right choices in the spiritual world when that separation from the Truth ends. It doesn't mean we should not oppose it, but it may also mean that we cannot win.

The Gospel of Thomas (added for clarity)

63) Jesus said, There was a rich man (The infiltrators of the Church) who had much money (The true wealth, or keys of knowledge). (Hide these keys and replace them with my own teaching) so that I may sow, reap, plant, (For my own selfish purposes)and fill my (own) storehouse with produce (For my own power and glory and gain) with the result that I (Thus taking the Kingdom by treachery) shall lack nothing. Such were his intentions, but that same night (The 2,000-year age) he died (Himself lost the keys to the truth). Let him who has ears (Both levels of understanding) hear.

79) A woman from the crowd said to him, blessed are the womb (Judaism, see Galatians 1:15) which bore you and the breasts (Old and New Testaments) which nurtured you. (Christianity) He said to her, Blessed are those (The Elect) who have heard the word of the Father (Spirit-level, as opposed to the mother, which is the flesh and blood level) and have truly kept it (As opposed to the Jews and Christians, who did not). For there will be days (The 2 spiritual days; the 2,000 years given over to the Adversary to try the Church) when you will say, 'blessed are the womb which has not conceived (True Judaism, Christianity) and the breasts (The Word of God in its higher sense) which have not given milk Wretched is the body (Lifeless Christian Canon; Church) that is dependent upon a body (Lifeless Jewish Canon; synagogue), and wretched is the soul (Human reasoning, according to the secret book of James ) that is dependent on these two (Their superficial understanding of the 2 dead Testaments).

74) He said, O Lord, there are many around the drinking trough, (The Canon; or that which contains the water, or word) but there is nothing in the cistern. (Their focus is on the cistern, or Canon, and so cannot draw out any more water, or word from it.)

97) Jesus said, The Kingdom of the [Father] (Which comes from a proper insight into the Scriptures) is like a certain woman (The Church) who was carrying a jar full of meal. (Like the cistern, cup, or the 24 prophets, etcetera; a container full of the word and its understanding; the complete Scriptures.) While she was walking [on] a road, (The road is representative of both traditions and time; that which has been travelled and taught before, so again) still some distance from home, (The Kingdom) the handle of the jar broke (The faulty concept of the Canon led to the loss of Scriptures) and the meal (Scriptures, along with their understanding) emptied out behind her (In time) on the road (Over time, due to this confusion). She did not realize it; (The Church took this tradition for granted because the Jews had done it before) she had noticed no accident.When she reached her house, (When the Church was centralized, organized and established) she set the jar down (Established an official Canon) and found it empty. (Since all she was left with was the surface-level understanding, like the empty cistern in verse 74.)

101) <Jesus said,> Whoever does not hate his father and his mother (Christianity and Judaism) as I do cannot become a disciple to me (Since they keep you from seeing him). And whoever does [not] love his (Spiritual) Father (Who disciplines us) and his mother (Who gives spiritual birth to us) as I do (Who brought him forth in spirit and truth) cannot become a [disciple] to me (Since it takes spiritual rebirth and discipline). For my (False, physical) mother (Religion, as opposed to his true mother below) [gave me death] (The fleshly understanding), but [my] true (Spiritual) [mother] (The comforter) gave me (True, spiritual) life.

86) Jesus said, [the foxes (Like Herod, who knew the truth, which he got from John) have their holes] (Their places within earthly institutions) and the birds (Religious leaders) have [their] nests (High offices), but the son of man has no place (Office or position) to lay his head and rest. (For the 2,000 years.)

[BLBereans]

The belief that "The Gospel of Thomas" should be considered as authoritative and divinely inspired as the traditional gospels is based upon the assumption that the Thomas "gospel" was written either at the same time as, or perhaps even earlier than, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

However, if we consider the possibility that this text was originally written in Syriac and likely taken from its source, Tatian's Diatessaron, we no longer have the "first-hand" sayings of Jesus, do we?

For those interested in investigating and verifying...

THOMAS: THE FIFTH GOSPEL?

[David Merrill]

I enjoy reading the Gospel of Thomas and do not think it a true Gospel, according to general definition. It would seem that Christians are quite biased and should not be doing the defining too.

The Nazarene Gospel Restored explains and reveals several major editing events around the Nicene Council and in light of Pragmatism, my interpretation of the Gospel of Mark the other four Gospels of the Bible were following suit, to protect the survived King Jesus while he hovered over the Jerusalem throne in Damascus.

I imagine that the link, based in the preconceived definition about "Gospel" is like studying James CAMERON's The Lost Tomb of Jesus without actually reading it.

So that is what I suggest. Read it for yourselves. I call the Gospel of Thomas - "Slogans of Jesus". I think it quite more inspired than the Book of Mark as it only conveys the trusting and joyful aspects of Jesus' ministry without the commercial basis of integrating Paul's Benjamin heritage of sacrifice.

[Michael Joseph]

The belief that "The Gospel of Thomas" should be considered as authoritative and divinely inspired as the traditional gospels is based upon the assumption that the Thomas "gospel" was written either at the same time as, or perhaps even earlier than, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

However, if we consider the possibility that this text was originally written in Syriac and likely taken from its source, Tatian's Diatessaron, we no longer have the "first-hand" sayings of Jesus, do we?

For those interested in investigating and verifying...

THOMAS: THE FIFTH GOSPEL?

I think you wise to question everything, but I would like you to consider that there are three items found in the Ark of the Covenant. The Tables are clearly symbolic of the O.T. Aaron's Rod that buds [Reed] is clearly the N.T. and yet there remains a Golden Bowl with "Hidden Manna" within. Manna is food [teachings]. Thusly, consider that perhaps there are many other books that did not make it into the Reed [canon].

In fact, St. Paul quotes from many extra-canonical sources. Of course, trust no man, study to show thyself approved unto God. If one can read or recognize the hidden language in symbols then one is not in need of a canon. Nevertheless, each according to what he/she can eat. And thusly be satisfied.

Exo 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.

Exo 16:18 And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.

[george]

hi BLBereans,

thanks for that, I will be reading it also. I like to consider all perspectives on such things and also appreciate MJ and his great effort to clarify his, certainly valid IMO especially if you consider what pumpkin wrote there.

part of what is difficult for me to accept about the traditional christain interpretations of the words is the group think, mob mentality or hive mind aspect of it. not attempting an attack on you or any others beliefs when I say that either, just pointing it out as that does seem to be how it is. if it wright or wrong, I do not know for certain. it does seem to be exactly the same type of issue that jesus was facing in a lot of ways if we are to consider any of what has been written by other men about it.

David, when I was a kid, I used to read the KJV a lot and so much of it was so strange that once I found a red letter edition, I started reading only the red letter because it was much easier for a child to understand.

I dont know exactly who this man was or if he even existed but I do think that at least most of the words that have been written that are purportedly from him, make the most sense out of all the words written in the KJV.


thanks

[BLBereans]

I enjoy reading the Gospel of Thomas and do not think it a true Gospel, according to general definition. It would seem that Christians are quite biased and should not be doing the defining too.

The Nazarene Gospel Restored explains and reveals several major editing events around the Nicene Council and in light of Pragmatism, my interpretation of the Gospel of Mark the other four Gospels of the Bible were following suit, to protect the survived King Jesus while he hovered over the Jerusalem throne in Damascus.

I imagine that the link, based in the preconceived definition about "Gospel" is like studying James CAMERON's The Lost Tomb of Jesus without actually reading it.

So that is what I suggest. Read it for yourselves. I call the Gospel of Thomas - "Slogans of Jesus". I think it quite more inspired than the Book of Mark as it only conveys the trusting and joyful aspects of Jesus' ministry without the commercial basis of integrating Paul's Benjamin heritage of sacrifice.

Good advice. Read it for yourselves and also read about the author (Robert Graves) and his neo-pagan presuppositions regarding his "fallen White Goddess" whom most believe he sought to restore perhaps more diligently than his questionable "restoration" of the Gospels.

The White Goddess

[BLBereans]

I think you wise to question everything, but I would like you to consider that there are three items found in the Ark of the Covenant. The Tables are clearly symbolic of the O.T. Aaron's Rod that buds [Reed] is clearly the N.T. and yet there remains a Golden Bowl with "Hidden Manna" within. Manna is food [teachings]. Thusly, consider that perhaps there are many other books that did not make it into the Reed [canon].

In fact, St. Paul quotes from many extra-canonical sources. Of course, trust no man, study to show thyself approved unto God. If one can read or recognize the hidden language in symbols then one is not in need of a canon. Nevertheless, each according to what he/she can eat. And thusly be satisfied.

Exo 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.

Exo 16:18 And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.

True. However, why does there exist a great insistence about the timing of the writing of the Thomas "gospel" by those who wish to assert its authority and inspiration as equal to the four canonical gospels? Doesn't that matter in regards to its claimed authenticity? The title in your post says it all, "These are the secret words which the Living Jesus spoke and Didymos Judas Thomas wrote". Really?

If that claim is proven untrue, then what of the rest of it? Also, the four Gospels have 4 key elements in common whereas these are either contradicted, diminished or ignored in the other non-canonical "gospels"...

(1) the apostolic preaching about Jesus, from the beginning, involved four key elements; (2) all four of the canonical gospels have these four elements in common; and (3) the extracanonical gospels do not, and in most cases do not clearly have any of them. These four key elements, identified by Paul in the mid fifties and clearly representing an even earlier tradition, are summarised in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4: (i) the identity of Jesus as the Christ, anointed by the creator God of Israel, (ii) his fulfilment of the Jewish Scriptures, (iii) his effective atoning death on behalf of others, and (iv) his bodily resurrection from death.

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If there exists contradictions in fundamental theology between the Four Gospels and the non-canonical "gospels", what do you hold as true?

[BLBereans]

hi BLBereans,

thanks for that, I will be reading it also. I like to consider all perspectives on such things and also appreciate MJ and his great effort to clarify his, certainly valid IMO especially if you consider what pumpkin wrote there.

part of what is difficult for me to accept about the traditional christain interpretations of the words is the group think, mob mentality or hive mind aspect of it. not attempting an attack on you or any others beliefs when I say that either, just pointing it out as that does seem to be how it is. if it wright or wrong, I do not know for certain. it does seem to be exactly the same type of issue that jesus was facing in a lot of ways if we are to consider any of what has been written by other men about it.

David, when I was a kid, I used to read the KJV a lot and so much of it was so strange that once I found a red letter edition, I started reading only the red letter because it was much easier for a child to understand.

I dont know exactly who this man was or if he even existed but I do think that at least most of the words that have been written that are purportedly from him, make the most sense out of all the words written in the KJV.


thanks

You are welcome george. For the most part, you are right regarding the mainstream and modern-era Christian mind-set and beliefs. Also, I do not recognize the Roman adoption and practice of the "Christian" religion as having any basis or foundation of the true message and teachings of Jesus the Christ. It is an amalgamation of Romanism, paganism and "Christianity" which is yet another spin-off of Nimrod's original false religion.

In my opinion, all "religions" that deny the deity of Jesus the Christ and the personal nature of God the Creator as being ALWAYS Higher and distinct from His creation, are ALL the same.