Law of Trusts

[Michael Joseph]

Sorry for the confusion, this was suppose to be a response to Post #5, not yours.

Any ways in reference to your response and Deuteronomy 28 mentioned before I notice in there where it mentions we go out and Posses the land, not own it. So then what is proof of possession without the use of persons to do it with, can this be done? How say ye the scripture?

Motla68 now we are getting somewhere. Persons are the creations of Man and are therefore a STRANGER in Yisra'el. Usury can be charged upon a Stranger but not upon one in Yisra'el. Today the bloodline of Yisra'el while still important concerning duty - is overcome in Yehoshua - all the nations [peoples] can be grafted into the Tree - Commonwealth of Yisra'el.

Persons Possess based on Survey. The Survey is not the object or idea but a RE-presentation of the object. A map is not the land. Therefore, a Person is really just a vessel that holds Rights. And Property is a Right of Use. Therefore the Person is a commercial interest. And the Person then can become a party to a Trust. And men and women are removed from the Land - EXACTLY as Yehovah said he would do if Yisra'el abandoned the covenant.

The Persons are on the High Seas of Admiralty - operating in International Trust Law - UCC.

[Michael Joseph]

CQVT??

If you will note from the wikipedia article concerning Statute of Uses, beneficiaries were made legal owners, thus subject to taxation (service).

It sounds to me that the survey is analogous to an assessment for taxation.

The legal relation with regard to feudal land law is lord and tenant.

The Legal Owner is Beneficiary is Cestui Que Vie Trust. The taxation if Fealty to the Lord or more specifically the landlord.

The Survey is the basis of the Claim. First Survey then Claim. Then the Rights are Transferred into Trust based on the Survey. If you will notice on any Deed it clearly states the "Property" is within STATE OF [ ]; and COUNTY OF [ ]. Those are Surveys.

[Michael Joseph]

Is a survey a lien?
Is a survey a claim on land?
If you have any books or treatises on the subject of land surveys and liens, I shall be grateful.

dude you are debating with a former professional civil engineer. Of course I have books on Survey and Liens.

The Survey is the BASIS for the Claim on whatever Object or Idea = Form of Matter. 1st Survey, then Stake the Claim; wait for others to issue forth their disagreements so that you do not trespass - upon no disagreements or upon an agreement reached; then your claim is perfected upon the SURVEY. And now the Rights of that Claim can be put into Trust. This would be Real Property Rights put into Trust. From there the Use of those Rights can be distributed to the Cestui Que Trust according to the bylaws of the Original Trust Agreement.

[motla68]

The Legal Owner is Beneficiary is Cestui Que Vie Trust. The taxation if Fealty to the Lord or more specifically the landlord.

The Survey is the basis of the Claim. First Survey then Claim. Then the Rights are Transferred into Trust based on the Survey. If you will notice on any Deed it clearly states the "Property" is within STATE OF [ ]; and COUNTY OF [ ]. Those are Surveys.

In court they once offered up 2 surveys in which to identify who was making an appearance[from what venue] But since so many are now waking up and choosing the survey in which they have no legal control of so it is no longer offered. Any more you have to bring in your own survey in which cannot be taken away, it is of the Divinity.

[shikamaru]

dude you are debating with a former professional civil engineer. Of course I have books on Survey and Liens.

The Survey is the BASIS for the Claim on whatever Object or Idea = Form of Matter. 1st Survey, then Stake the Claim; wait for others to issue forth their disagreements so that you do not trespass - upon no disagreements or upon an agreement reached; then your claim is perfected upon the SURVEY. And now the Rights of that Claim can be put into Trust. This would be Real Property Rights put into Trust. From there the Use of those Rights can be distributed to the Cestui Que Trust according to the bylaws of the Original Trust Agreement.

The question was directed at motla68, but I do thank-you for the reply.
I would still be grateful for any books or treatises with regard to surveys, surveys as claims, and surveys as liens.

I can recall some books I read with regard to your statements from homesteading or claims on land by colonists in foreign lands ...

[Michael Joseph]

You got it, I seek no commercial interests in a thing, let them have all that paper. Just acknowledge what they created for themselves and walk away from it, it then becomes for their benefit and not of my own. The equitable interest though is not by benefit, but of orders from a different " form " Genesis 1:26 - 28.

(part 1 of 2) http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6386001/

(pt. 2 of 2) - http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6389423/

Yes Morpheus. Now let us go to CHARGE in regard to Trust Estate:

CHARGE, contracts. An obligation entered into by the owner of an estate which makes the estate responsible for its performance. Vide 2 Ball & Beatty, 223; 8 Com. Dig. 306, Appendix, h. t. Any obligation binding upon him who enters into it, which may be removed or taken away by a discharge. T. de la Ley, h. t.


Who Owns the Estate. Back to LEGAL for a moment: on to definition #3

LEGAL

3. The person who holds the legal estate for the benefit of another, is called a trustee; he who has the beneficiary interest and does not hold the legal title, is called the beneficiary, or more technically, the cestui que trust.

Question: Who issues Charges? Is it not Officer? Is not Officer a Trustee for an Estate? Who is responsible for the discharge of the Charge?

Will you Trustee de son Tort? I hope not. This takes a tremendous amount of paperwork doesn't it Motla68? NOT!

shalom,
mj



P.S. be careful here - mankind was not made in the image of God. There is but One who was made in the Image of God and that was God with Us - Yehoshuah - Yehovah Saves. Man was made in his own image as he existed in the First Age.

[Michael Joseph]

The question was directed at motla68, but I do thank-you for the reply.
I would still be grateful for any books or treatises with regard to surveys, surveys as claims, and surveys as liens.

I can recall some books I read with regard to your statements from homesteading or claims on land by colonists in foreign lands ...

This thread is moving so rapidly....sorry for that. thank you for this thread. There is much to be gleaned here.

Regarding Survey - check out Sir Walter Raleigh. He was a Surveyor of a new land. New in regard to the Crown anyways.

Survey, then Claim, then Trust, then commercial districts, then shares to proprietory interests. Of course if you comprehend the Trust you will rapidly come to the Singularity - the First Trust Deed. Therefore there are Trusts within Trusts.

As Paul correctly wrote - there is always a higher Power.

[motla68]

Yes Morpheus. Now let us go to CHARGE in regard to Trust Estate:

CHARGE, contracts. An obligation entered into by the owner of an estate which makes the estate responsible for its performance. Vide 2 Ball & Beatty, 223; 8 Com. Dig. 306, Appendix, h. t. Any obligation binding upon him who enters into it, which may be removed or taken away by a discharge. T. de la Ley, h. t.


Who Owns the Estate. Back to LEGAL for a moment: on to definition #3

LEGAL

3. The person who holds the legal estate for the benefit of another, is called a trustee; he who has the beneficiary interest and does not hold the legal title, is called the beneficiary, or more technically, the cestui que trust.

Question: Who issues Charges? Is it not Officer? Is not Officer a Trustee for an Estate? Who is responsible for the discharge of the Charge?

Will you Trustee de son Tort? I hope not. This takes a tremendous amount of paperwork doesn't it Motla68? NOT!

shalom,
mj



P.S. be careful here - mankind was not made in the image of God. There is but One who was made in the Image of God and that was God with Us - Yehoshuah - Yehovah Saves. Man was made in his own image as he existed in the First Age.

"Morpheus" --> [grin]

The obligation to this Contract is a manifestation in ones mind, for one we were too young to remember, two we were not there when this happened between agent and state.
All birth registration has always been done under "color" of law, they are just more blunt about it these days and people still do not get it. EBR - electronic birth registration
Check out the following link, just 3 simple paragraphs:
- In the first it shows of the use of EBR, application is not sent to the state.
- 2nd paragraph shows the hospital has a direct link to the state, is this not also trustee of the estate?
- 3rd paragraph, the only thing sent hard copy to the state and that is even done by fax is the log of the birth. "" Event Recorded/ Survey ""
Source: http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Planning_...main_page.html

Someone who you know that visits our group from time to time and has worked in the birthing centre of a hospital confirmed that once the information is transmitted to state then the applications are shredded.
I directly asked a DMV agent once where the slip of paper goes you sign after it is electronically transferred to the Drivers License and the agent replied " it is shredded ".
All this without having the original wet ink signature on them documents and especially these days a certified copy will never be found to meet the rules of evidence.

] Question: Who issues Charges? Is it not Officer? Is not Officer a Trustee for an Estate? Who is responsible for the discharge of the Charge?

Would you agree "discharge" a military term?
I have also seen linking information describing setoff which is pretty much an accounting term for the same.

Yes, A lot less paperwork for us! But I dream of the day when there is NO MO paperwork and everything is just settled without it, just pointing out what we need for daily necessity to keep giving back energy to society . If them Canadians have done it there should be no reason why we could not be able to do the same.

peace to you too brother.

[shikamaru]

I am convinced motla68 and Michael Joseph.

In England, all rights, privileges, and titles flowed from the King.
I imagine in the US, all flow from government.

The wikipedia article on the Crown as well as the treatise below helped me to make the jump over:

http://books.google.com/books?id=OZUGYacjZ3IC&pg=PA58&dq=the+ultimate+ownership+of+all+property+is+in+the+State&hl=en&ei=sg6XTZzrIeaU0QH0qYmGDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=the%20ultimate%20ownership%20of%20all%20property%20is%20in%20the%20State&f=false

[shikamaru]

USE.

The fact of being habitually employed in a certain manner. In real property law, a right held by an individual (called a cestui que use) to take the profits arising from a particular parcel of land that was owned and possessed by another individual.

For example, a seller of goods might make an Implied Warranty of fitness for a particular use, which signifies that an item or a product is fit to be used for a specific purpose, such as a tire meant for use in the snow.

The cestui que use received the benefits from the property even though title to such land was in another individual. This theory is no longer part of the U.S. legal system; however, the modern law of trusts evolved from the law relating to uses.

[motla68]

I am convinced motla68 and Michael Joseph.

In England, all rights, privileges, and titles flowed from the King.
I imagine in the US, all flow from government.

The wikipedia article on the Crown as well as the treatise below helped me to make the jump over:
http://books.google.com/books?id=OZU...0State&f=false

Woohoo, great scott, I think someone is getting it!

These are legal rights (social contract)/ color of law versus the abundance we have been given by creator before the foundation of this world was laid. Nice job grasshopper, your breaking away from the leash of tyranny already :-)

[motla68]

USE.

The fact of being habitually employed in a certain manner. In real property law, a right held by an individual (called a cestui que use) to take the profits arising from a particular parcel of land that was owned and possessed by another individual.

For example, a seller of goods might make an Implied Warranty of fitness for a particular use, which signifies that an item or a product is fit to be used for a specific purpose, such as a tire meant for use in the snow.

The cestui que use received the benefits from the property even though title to such land was in another individual. This theory is no longer part of the U.S. legal system; however, the modern law of trusts evolved from the law relating to uses.

Ditto, Great post!

[shikamaru]

Woohoo, great scott, I think someone is getting it!

These are legal rights (social contract)/ color of law versus the abundance we have been given by creator before the foundation of this world was laid. Nice job grasshopper, your breaking away from the leash of tyranny already :-)

It is shocking when it dawns upon you ....

[shikamaru]

Let me see if I get this ....

It could be an express trust or a trust implied in law, the ultimate arbiter is government if government feels the trustee is not fulfilling his duties, correct?

[motla68]

It is shocking when it dawns upon you ....

LOL, yeah I told you all what people have described and it is a slap in the face with a wet fish is it not?. :-D