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  • motla68
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 752

    #61
    Originally posted by Trust Guy View Post
    Let’s separate terms a little more.

    Corporeal = Tangible, Incorporeal = Intangible, however there is a difference in application.

    I am corporeal, flesh and blood and bone. I was first taught the distinction when accompanying a senior Compatriot as witness in filing of a Suit. He determined to Quiet Title his Corporeal Hereditaments. It took a bit of doing as the Clerk refused to accept the paperwork. The Clerk finally called the County Attorney for help in figuring out how to explain the papers were un-fileable.

    The Atty. came in and looked over the Petition. He said “WHAT! You want to Quiet Title your BODY!!!”

    My Compatriot says “Yes, I need to determine any superior Title or Right to my own Claim”. Atty. said “OK, file it”. Case ended with "failure to state a claim" and all that.

    Point of the story, the terms ( In ) / Corporeal go originally to matters pertaining to people. ( In ) / Tangible to things.
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    hereditament

    Anything that can be passed by an individual to heirs.

    There are two types of hereditaments: corporeal and incorporeal.

    A corporeal hereditament is a permanent tangible object that can be seen and handled and is confined to the land. Materials, such as coal, timber, stone, or a house are common examples of this type of hereditament.

    An incorporeal hereditament is an intangible right, which is not visible but is derived from real or Personal Property. An Easement is a classic example of this type of hereditament, since it is the right of one individual to use another's property and can be inherited.

    hereditament n. any kind of property which can be inherited. This is old-fashioned language still found in some wills and deeds.

    ( Note : old-fashioned does not mean outdated or ineffective. Just trying to ridicule through sophistry to me.
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    Hereditament

    In law, a hereditament (from Lat. hereditare, to inherit, heres, heir) is any kind of property that can be inherited.

    Hereditaments are divided into corporeal and incorporeal. Corporeal hereditaments are "such as affect the senses, and may be seen and handled by the body; incorporeal are not the subject of sensation, can neither be seen nor handled, are creatures of the mind, and exist only in contemplation" (Blackstone, Commentaries). An example of a corporeal hereditament is land held in freehold.

    Examples of incorporeal hereditaments are: hereditary titles of honor or dignity, heritable titles of office, coats of arms, Prescriptive Barony, rights of way, tithes, advowsons, pensions, annuities, rents, franchises, etc. The term is still used in the phrase "lands, tenements and hereditaments" to describe property in land, as distinguished from goods and chattels or movable property.
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    Hope this helps to clarify and sharpen the points presented.

    Peace, TG
    That would be my reply too. The quite title on the body has already been done and deposited into the Library of Congress, incun 14545.B4. All we have to do is accept it in very much the same way that David discussed about a friend who accepted a Judges bond and then the judge recused himself from the case. Since 2009 when our group started looking at things in a different light it has made a lot of positive changes in peoples lives, one such insight is that why go through the hassle of creating all these instruments to pass through ports when a trust is operating a usufruct from which we can use these things for everyone else's benefit? This is along the lines of the story of King Nebekennezer who ordered 3 men to walk through the firy furnace and to his surprise he received a benefit, being entertained that things are not always what they seem to be, a new intent was formed.

    I have this whole thing about the casting of spells on paper too and making claim to it, but not going to go into that since it will not pass the snuff of DM's scientific regulations here. If interested send me a PM.
    "You have to understand Neo, most of these people are not ready to
    be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

    ~ Morpheus / The Matrix movie trilogy.

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    • motla68
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 752

      #62
      Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
      or, just offer a benefit upon the trustee....how may i help you.
      Yes, you can definitely say that again, the double edged sword is that it can go both ways and intent be reversed from the norm.

      Notice how they say in this article " encourage defendants to take action ", if that is not unveiling the truth I do not know what is.
      Well what if they did not take action, to whom's benefit will it be then?
      "You have to understand Neo, most of these people are not ready to
      be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

      ~ Morpheus / The Matrix movie trilogy.

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      • Trust Guy
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 152

        #63
        Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
        or, just offer a benefit upon the trustee....how may i help you.
        Not to be construed as Legal Advice, nor a recommended Course of Action. I will stand corrected.

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        • Trust Guy
          Senior Member
          • May 2011
          • 152

          #64
          Originally posted by motla68 View Post
          Notice how they say in this article " encourage defendants to take action ", if that is not unveiling the truth I do not know what is.
          Well what if they did not take action, to whom's benefit will it be then?
          http://www.jstor.org/pss/724205
          Verrrrrry telling . Thanks .
          Not to be construed as Legal Advice, nor a recommended Course of Action. I will stand corrected.

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          • motla68
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 752

            #65
            Originally posted by Trust Guy View Post
            That brings to mind an incident from several years ago.

            Wife and I were in a caravan of cars one A.M. , all members of the Missouri Mycological Society , out for a foray. Hit a Police road block. Click it or Ticket thing, supposedly. Half a dozen patrol cars and upwards of 12 personnel. Two or three checking out the cars, peeping in windows. Getting ID’s from everyone. All very serious and authoritative.

            When it was our turn the cop made his “Papers Please” request. I handed him the documents with a “This is for your benefit, not mine. May I help you ?” Cop was taken somewhat aback and waived off the other guys headed our way. He looked at the DL but not the other documents, and asked - “Mr. ( me ), where are you headed this morning ?” Responded - “Following them to ( whatever State Park we were going to ) for a mushroom hunt .” He handed back the documents with a “Have a nice day”. Never asked for the Wife’s ID.

            Go figure .
            Great story, you have experience that realm in which I have posted about a couple times in here. Another fun thing to do is next time put it on the dashboard and tell them if they need a benefit to go ahead and take claim to the instruments. Experience cops know better, rookie cops will put you through the ropes of a real entertaining time before they are told to back off by a superior.
            "You have to understand Neo, most of these people are not ready to
            be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

            ~ Morpheus / The Matrix movie trilogy.

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            • Trust Guy
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 152

              #66
              Originally posted by motla68 View Post
              Another fun thing to do is next time put it on the dashboard and tell them if they need a benefit to go ahead and take claim to the instruments. Experience cops know better, rookie cops will put you through the ropes of a real entertaining time before they are told to back off by a superior.
              Playing with fire a bit there. I generally don't bait my traps . Just watch where to catch them in their own web .

              As a child I learned the trick of touching a spider from beneath when they are laying out a single line . They scramble back up , gathering their silk so fast it balls them up good . Cruel I know , but I was a child and have since repented .
              Not to be construed as Legal Advice, nor a recommended Course of Action. I will stand corrected.

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              • motla68
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 752

                #67
                Originally posted by Trust Guy View Post
                Playing with fire a bit there. I generally don't bait my traps . Just watch where to catch them in their own web .

                As a child I learned the trick of touching a spider from beneath when they are laying out a single line . They scramble back up , gathering their silk so fast it balls them up good . Cruel I know , but I was a child and have since repented .
                I look at it as more of giving them a way out so they do not have to mess with the paperwork of having to deal with me, warning sign e.t.c, here is your sign. Some mosquito traps kill them, but others like a couple plants I have repel them away without killing them, I put one at the front door and one at the back door, usually no problems throughout the summer of my wife getting bit near the camp anyway.
                "You have to understand Neo, most of these people are not ready to
                be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

                ~ Morpheus / The Matrix movie trilogy.

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                • Anthony Joseph

                  #68
                  I'm confused, I thought you wrote that you haven't had or used a DL in 14 years and yet you write here that several years ago you handed a cop a DL when requested. Also I'm confused that you positively answered to the "Mr. (me)" name on the card, which expresses trust and claim in that name, and the encounter ended in the manner you suggest.

                  Perhaps you can clarify for us further what transpired during that encounter as I am always interested in positive and uneventful roadside encounters while exercising the right of avoidance and inherent immunity.

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                  • Trust Guy
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 152

                    #69
                    Originally posted by motla68 View Post
                    I look at it as more of giving them a way out so they do not have to mess with the paperwork of having to deal with me, warning sign e.t.c, here is your sign.
                    Fair enough .

                    Originally posted by Anthony Joseph View Post
                    I'm confused, I thought you wrote that you haven't had or used a DL in 14 years and yet you write here that several years ago you handed a cop a DL when requested. Also I'm confused that you positively answered to the "Mr. (me)" name on the card, which expresses trust and claim in that name, and the encounter ended in the manner you suggest.

                    Perhaps you can clarify for us further what transpired during that encounter as I am always interested in positive and uneventful roadside encounters while exercising the right of avoidance and inherent immunity.

                    Past tense Friend, I “ran” 14 years.

                    My Mother passed in the fall of 2006. She did not have a Will as everything was done to avoid probate, less executing a written trust. As eldest Son the Estate responsibilities fell to me. I simply could not function efficiently for the surviving family without a bank account and DL to expedite things. There was the property mortgage and outstanding debts to be settled . There were personal effects and stocks to be distributed . Matter of Necessity . The license period here is 6 years. I may well let it lapse again next year , I may take more affirmative action .

                    On the road block : I answered to “Mr. ( me )” because I had already expressed the documents were for his benefit, not mine. Everything on that card can be disputed in court readily enough , although bringing up the Trustee aspect of administrative proceedings usually puts the stopper in place . The car and insurance are not in my name, but he didn’t even look . I doubt the line Officer had a clue , but his body language said something got his attention or caught him off guard . No idea what it would be unless Missouri State Police have had some kind of training in the matter .

                    The rest of the encounter was as stated. That was it for my part. I did have time to observe several cars ahead in line being run . Every adult handed out ID . Every driver had theirs disappear into a patrol car for computer check . Was kind of an assembly line operation. Working 2 - 3 cars at a time on the busy rural highway . One Officer first, then two more . One to take the drivers info up to the computer car and one to talk to others in the car , if any , and do a walk around looking in windows and checking for seat belt use, beer cans , plates . Only need one plate hereabouts, although 2 are provided . Don’t even need to be on the bumper . At least when I last checked . Country folks , especially / farmer ranchers , can make plates unreadable in short order .

                    Forgot to mention there was no computer check on my DL either , like the travelers ahead. The two other Officers coming over were waived away, so Bunny did not get asked to provide ID , or even identify herself . When the line cleared we were waived on through .
                    Not to be construed as Legal Advice, nor a recommended Course of Action. I will stand corrected.

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                    • Anthony Joseph

                      #70
                      Thank you for the clarification.

                      I am still amazed that the mere statement, "This is for your benefit, not mine. May I help you ?" rendered and effected the response you shared with us. Good for you and perhaps I will add that verbiage to my statement to LEOs, "I do not present or offer you this DL card as identification but only for competency purposes". I see no harm in adding that speech as I agree with the premise and truth of it. I will be interested in the response I get when speaking those words in addition to what I usually declare.

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                      • Trust Guy
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 152

                        #71
                        AJ,


                        I credit above all the Hand of Providence. My little prayer for safe passage my be routine, but it is still heart felt .

                        I have no idea why the reaction was such. Maybe he had been in court to watch a Trust and Benefit savvy individual the Judge wouldn't deal with. "I waive the Benefits and offer their return" , is also a pretty Proceeding stopping statement. What can a Judge do not to spill the beans that the pompously vaunted "Benefits of Law" have just been given up as quickly and easily as they attempt to get you to abandon your right / benefit against self incrimination ? ( contrived from Bill items I , IV & IX ) "Do you understand these rights?" no = aggravated cop / yes = waiver / silence is golden .
                        Last edited by Trust Guy; 05-21-11, 11:34 AM.
                        Not to be construed as Legal Advice, nor a recommended Course of Action. I will stand corrected.

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                        • David Merrill
                          Administrator
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 5949

                          #72
                          It is possible to construct elaborate mental models around our heritage. It is my hope that anybody reading can pick up the syllables of their true name, and their family surname, translate them into biblical Hebrew and get a "horoscope" reading and even interpret the numerical equivalent to find an insight into your purpose in Life that would inspire.

                          A great book about this is Eric Temple BELL's Numerology (1933). He wrote a comprehensive treatise about how many different constructs will fit patterns in our psychic archetypes. One feature of his book is the Beasting Parties that BELL would hold for the university mathematics students. BELL found it worth pondering that the students could always find a 666 equivalent for some acceptable variation of any student's name but Eric Temple BELL.

                          My own pattern (Planet Merrill if you will) seems anchored in reality in Milestone Park, Brooklyn and connects to an annointing upon one of my ancestors by high Mason George WASHINGTON himself, right there at the Manor - which is not a true manor after all.

                          However, author Harold D. Eberlein states: "there never was a duly and legally constituted Van Pelt Manor and this appellation has no defense whatever on any historic grounds.
                          Therefore technically Van Pelt Manor has never been subjected properly to British Rule and Fealty.

                          I have described this in detail elsewhere in these forums but in a nutshell it describes a factual wet-ink perpetual inheritance and it is no surprise that there is a land plot preserved on the Van Pelt Manor lot for monument.



                          Now I wonder how anybody would explain the 12' prison fence facing the public park?



                          The placard is located near the middle of the park on the right.




                          I am mentioning this because other people must have noticed similar things about themselves and their families, political histories and financial heritage; and their own objectives and behavior - I am sure. I feel that some of the seemingly subjective conjecture that people try attributing to divine intervention can be mapped out in a profound memory drawn into a double helix found in every one of our cells; a mathematical Fourier Transform of profundity.

                          Calling it divine providence or divine intervention is just like a technician claiming a background signal is noise, rather than everything. If pulling comprehensible patterns from the matrix is too much of a headache, we just tend to dismiss it as noise whereas if we would just go the extra mile to understand the mathematics a little - then we might find that the divine providence is much more reproducible than we suspected.

                          The prime biblical example, for me anyway is that Daniel found his claim to fame as a prophet for a simple subtraction; figuring for Darius that it was time for the Jews to return to Israel from Jeremiah's Letter. Had Daniel not done the mathematics, it would seem that history may have completely forgotten the both of them.



                          Regards,

                          David Merrill.
                          Last edited by David Merrill; 05-21-11, 02:38 PM.
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                          • Richard Earl
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 119

                            #73
                            When are you moving in? Is the survey reduced down to the mere volume of the pole?

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                            • David Merrill
                              Administrator
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 5949

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Richard Earl View Post
                              When are you moving in? Is the survey reduced down to the mere volume of the pole?

                              I have wondered about camping there for three days.
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