Billing information

[David Merrill]

I just received my RFID Experimenter's Kit from Edmund Scientifics. Interestingly, they also sent a bill for the same amount payable in 30 days. ES would not have sent the item on credit to begin with so I began to think imaginatively about this.

They want me to contest the bill, thus validating the Billing Information. I do not live at the address they sent the bill and the item to. I have no billing information, just a shipping address. They can call the shipping address the billing address for all I care; however I will not validate the information for them.

Bills of Indictment are founded upon Information.

Ergo;


Billing Information.

You might read this into an ongoing saga about Debit Cards and PayPal Loses Faith. Edmund Scientifics, having no faith in the US dollars I sent by Money Order is hoping to connect me to the replacement for gold in the exchange rate (1976) - SDRs - hoping for me to endorse private credit from the Fed, even though the transaction was already paid for completely for them to ship me my product.

Good food for discussion I hope. I just bought a $150 Gift Card that was activated at the counter, and hope to add that to my PayPal Account to free up the $23.80 and buy my stainless steel wallet (RFID Proof) from eBay...

But that may be another thread yet!



Regards,

David Merrill.

[Rock Anthony]

If I'm comprehending this correctly....

You paid for the item via money order, and ES sent you the item, but then also sent you a bill for the amount that you already paid???

So on the one hand, ES acknowledges your payment in the fact that they sent you the item, but on the other hand does not acknowledge payment in the fact that they sent you a bill?

[David Merrill]

Thank you for opening my eyes about that Rock!

I suppose I was writing because it is confusing. I felt that it meant they wanted Billing Information on me. In that my indictment was the payment. You seem to be saying the same thing but much more succinctly - ES has no confidence in the cash for which I paid for the Safeway Money Order - not without my confidence in the Fed.

So they re-bill. A Return of the Bill of Indictment.

What I did was to tear the strip off one end, to verify it was a bill by looking into the folded paper/envelope form. Then I wrote Return to Sender/Not Residing Here.





Even if it is just a clerical mistake, it is very annoying, the potential of a billing cycle when I am so careful to avoid billing by securing purchases in cash - through debit cards and money orders.

[Rock Anthony]

I wonder....

Would the world have made all of the wonderful technological advances absent elastic currency that can be expanded to fund everything in the entire universe?

[David Merrill]

Good question.

I will endeavor to stay the thwarting party with a stainless steel wallet:

However, I am a little befuddled by a warning sticker I found in it.

I let it soak a while in hot soapy water and scrubbed it thoroughly with a fingernail brush! I am a little befuddled yet though; what about stainless steel causes cancer? Do I have to carry it in California to get cancer from my wallet?

Is it the stress when it is empty that causes cancer?

[David Merrill]

Maybe I should have started a thread:

Click Here.


I really should have known. One time while carrying on a Bluetooth earpiece conversation I wrapped my phone in aluminum foil and did not lose the call!

[David Merrill]

I derailed my own thread!

Click Here.



Interestingly, this article evades the obvious objective of the new law.

Garage/Yard Sales.

The real objective, I believe is to gain as much personal information as possible. Can you imagine a strict reading where a property holder selling his things on the front yard cannot accept cash in payment?

[David Merrill]

Three calls later. T-Mobile kept trying to make it clear they would be moving me to a Post-Pay plan, where I would have their credit shoved down my throat. Flex-Pay for years now has allowed me to pay in advance. The last call I took the monolog and it went something like:


I don't care what you call it. If you have to change my Plan that is what you have to do. I am going to continue paying in advance so you cannot construe me as to be applying for credit. The surety is on the bills I give to the T-Mobile sales office in the signature bonds of the Secretary and US Treasurer. That is good money and I am giving it to T-Mobile in advance to you do not get to pretend that just because you will let me slide for thirty days before you shut down my phone, that I requested any credit from T-Mobile. You tell me that nothing has changed - nothing at all and that is good. I don't want you to shut down my phone service just because I am not requesting credit from T-Mobile with this new Plan you are forcing on me! Do you understand?

He agreed and we concluded the call politely.

The other day I got a text:

FREE T=MOBILE MSG: You are eligible to save $4.99/month by removing the control fee on your FlexPay plan when you switch to one of our current plans. Call 611.

It would appear without me demanding or even consenting they will not take me off the FlexPay plan. The first call, when they were threatening to shut down my phone service, I reluctantly consented but they transferred me. So I was talking to a fellow who pretended he knew nothing about all the protests with the girl before him. So we went through Setup and then finally he wanted my SSN. I told him I do not have one and he said no problem. I said, Great! I asked him if he was going to shut down my phone he said No. So I hung up on him.

I am confirming that they do not get to demand billing information until I actively seek credit.

Additionally, when inquiring about cell phone downloading about law enforcement officials, an interesting subject in itself I noted that the FlexPay texts stay on record for two years. The PostPay plan keeps track of my texts for five years. I will try finding that article in my browser History...


The detailed reports about the various cell phone companies was here I believe. Maybe it was one of these links?

[motla68]

Good question.

I will endeavor to stay the thwarting party with a stainless steel wallet:

However, I am a little befuddled by a warning sticker I found in it.

I let it soak a while in hot soapy water and scrubbed it thoroughly with a fingernail brush! I am a little befuddled yet though; what about stainless steel causes cancer? Do I have to carry it in California to get cancer from my wallet?

Is it the stress when it is empty that causes cancer?

Wow, guess you will have to try cast iron next time. ;-)

[allodial]

Perhaps its more of a matter of faith in productivity on the public side vs faith in the private side as the source?

[David Merrill]

Perhaps its more of a matter of faith in productivity on the public side vs faith in the private side as the source?

That makes sense to me but maybe for the wrong reasons.

T-Mobile has been calling again.

Crosstalk:

Yes. This time; guess what? They have brand new Pre-Pay/no questions asked plansFine. I was figuring for having to show ID and give all the credit information and update my new Pre-Pay account. I was dreading that. I do not want my phone shut off or to deal with a check refund since my name is Bogus FAMILY to T-Mobile. So I braced myself for a big principle brawl and went in with my $50 and handed it over. Well the sales tech put it on my still-extant Flex-Pay account and my phone still did not work. Then he figured it out from me showing him the Text and did a PostVoid transaction and required a signature.

[motla68]

I gave up contract phones many years ago, they will nickel and dime you to death on gotcha fees. Seen a recent commercial on television is passing of a mobile pre-paid commercial, someone gets locked in a jail cell and the jailor says will see you n 2 years. Sounds about right.
Started with trackfone, went to straight talk, by the way both of them using the Verizon Network, recently got my son one for page plus communications, has not been long enough yet to give any kind of review yet though on that one. Straight talk just came out with a android phone, have yet to give it a test run, you can only use it on the unlimited plan or above though.
Most of these prepaid services now have extended plans, 3 months, 6 months or 1 year so you do not have to go fill up every month.

It is worth converting over to stay out of the debtor system for phone service anyway.

[Life's-a-Psyop]

David,
Regarding your (I mean THEIR) SSN:

Do you still have the number you were originally assigned, and just choose not to use it?

OR

Did you get rid of the SSN/Account altogether?

If the latter, how did you go about dumping it?

[David Merrill]

David,
Regarding your (I mean THEIR) SSN:

Do you still have the number you were originally assigned, and just choose not to use it?

OR

Did you get rid of the SSN/Account altogether?

If the latter, how did you go about dumping it?

I do not have a Social Security Number.

Think about it.

[allodial]

I do not have a Social Security Number.

Think about it.

So you might appreciate this... this goes back about 2 or 3 years ago. There was an office leasing company that changed management. The guy that ran things before he was savvy about taking tax credits (*ahem*) to pay the leases. However, they went under a management change or something and now... check this out. I went through all the ropes about renting an office, I told the new chic that I wanted to get a total in writing for the entire with their estimates of monthly fees/credits for additional services, damages, use of shared materials, etc--that I intended to prepay. She told me pretty much the following:

ITS HARDER FOR US IF YOU PREPAY!

She said it had something to do with the "home office" or something from what I recall. The gist was that they preferred to have a credit card number to bill each month than to have all $8K or so for the year. Consider how security deposits are accounted for in a program like Quickbooks (Quickbooks actually obscures accounting principles for the 'average Joe'). Prepay means they are owing you. Postpay means you are owing them. Prepay means they have an asset in their hand that triggers a liability to you. Postpay maybe means vice-versa?