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  • David Merrill
    Administrator
    • Mar 2011
    • 5954

    #1

    own your honor

    Having studied and even put parts to memory I enjoy this "attempt" to translate.


    In the footnotes we find:

    Family names are written before given names as is the custom in Japan. In order to differentiate both names all family names are written in capital letters in this essay...
    Last edited by David Merrill; 10-17-13, 08:08 AM.
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  • allodial
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    • May 2011
    • 2866

    #2
    Very interesting.

    I suspect that at least long ago the household was regarded to be a government or a county or a jurisdiction itself. Thusly, only the husband voted since the household made its decision as a group. Just like you might have New York, New York you might have David, Smith or David; Smith. However, on the other hand, apart from the obvious significance of David William, the use of David William Smith, David W. Smith, David Smith or D. Smith or Smith could be utilized to show a diminished status such as that of a soldier in contrast with an office holder or a sovereign or a free man.

    These days the term "family name" seems to have loaded meanings. Once when asked what my "family name" was, I brought up the distinction between "family's name" vs 'family name" and asked if they were asking my family's name or my family name, the State actor acquiesced. It was clear that they were not asking me the name of my clan or family but using a loaded legal word "family name". It may be that the term "family name" is a term associated with letters patents, charters, diplomas etc (licenses, permissions, grants).
    Last edited by allodial; 10-18-13, 07:56 PM.
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    • shikamaru
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 1630

      #3
      Originally posted by allodial View Post
      Very interesting.

      I suspect that at least long ago the household was regarded to be a government or a county or a jurisdiction itself. Thusly, only the husband voted since the household made its decision as a group. Just like you might have New York, New York you might have David, Smith or David; Smith. However, on the other hand, apart from the obvious significance of David William, the use of David William Smith, David W. Smith, David Smith or D. Smith or Smith could be utilized to show a diminished status such as that of a soldier in contrast with an office holder or a sovereign or a free man.

      These days the term "family name" seems to have loaded meanings. Once when asked what my "family name" was, I brought up the distinction between "family's name" vs 'family name" and asked if they were asking my family's name or my family name, the State actor acquiesced. It was clear that they were not asking me the name of my clan or family but using a loaded legal word "family name". It may be that the term "family name" is a term associated with letters patents, charters, diplomas etc (licenses, permissions, grants).
      Think Roman Civil Law.

      Patriae potestas.

      Now this has all got me thinking. I bet there is the beginning and origin of political representation.

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      • Chex
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 1032

        #4
        Patriae potestas. law, the discipline and profession concerned with the customs, practices, and rules of conduct of a community that are recognized as binding by the community. Enforcement of the body of rules is through a controlling authority. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/332745/law
        "And if I could I surely would Stand on the rock that Moses stood"

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        • shikamaru
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 1630

          #5
          Originally posted by Chex View Post
          Patriae potestas. law, the discipline and profession concerned with the customs, practices, and rules of conduct of a community that are recognized as binding by the community. Enforcement of the body of rules is through a controlling authority. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/332745/law
          Beyond this, patriae potestas was the power of the father over life and death of his wife, children, slaves, and other members of the Roman household.

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