Protection from statue seizure.

[walter]

[george]

hi walter,

does anything indicate that it was "paid in full"? then maybe sell it to trusted friend via a BOS with the agreement to buy it back then do that with a BOS? or go back and ask for them to indicate that (paid in full) on your copy of #1

whadya get?

[walter]

hi walter,

does anything indicate that it was "paid in full"? then maybe sell it to trusted friend via a BOS with the agreement to buy it back then do that with a BOS? or go back and ask for them to indicate that (paid in full) on your copy of #1

whadya get?

I never noticed this before but where it has the "total" right under it has "partial payment" . In both lines it has same number. And then "balance" which is reading $0.00.
Might read partial because of down payment programs others will take.

I confirmed via telephone call recording that even new vehicles are registered to the province they are sent to because the business is registered in that province. Not the registration one does when they got to get insurance etc but its registered to the holding company. The record never gets expunged, they will only stop adding to the record once it leaves jurisdiction and have proof of it leaving.

Called the insurance broker and asked them if I can register with out picture ID? Response was just as I figured, NO.
So now I am writing a letter to the registration authority asking them if I can use the SOLB as ID to qualify. My guess will be NO. Looking for written conformation that I don't qualify for the service

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[george]

well thats interesting that it says "total" but not "total payment" but does say "partial payment" and not "partial" only like it has "total" only. unless that was only your omission here?

I like to see at least "Paid in Full" on the receipt when I buy something and I almost always have to ask for it to be written in nowadays and have never been refused after asking for it. usually its hand written at the last minute but that works for me.

I actually add "Paid for with Lawful Money in Full" on my receipts to others for my goods or services since I deal in cash only. this is something Ive come up with on my own but I think it serves the purpose of "recording my demand".

the first time I did this I put "Paid Lawful Money in Full on Demand" but my customer didnt get it and when I explained it to him, he still found it hard to swallow and it took some time to explain so I just leave out the words "on demand"

why are you insuring it, no warranty? they dont require insurance or registration for dirtbikes here.

great Promo add there "Best in Class" but that wouldnt happen to be because none of the other manufacturers currently offer a 350F? LOL!

that is a nice machine for sure though! Ive not had any KTMs myself but too many other motos (Hondas) to count so I know how hard it is to wipe the smiles off your face after spending any amount of time on them.

[ohiofoiarequest]

Protecting it from seizure by statute...would mean maintaining current and proper tags, etc., no?

1st, I would have bought it in another jurisdiction than whatever one you don't want to claim.

[walter]

why are you insuring it, no warranty? they dont require insurance or registration for dirtbikes here.
Off-Road Vehicle Act
http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/.../statreg/14005

great Promo add there "Best in Class" but that wouldnt happen to be because none of the other manufacturers currently offer a 350F? LOL!
Only one making it is correct but KTM is cleaning up most category's right now.

that is a nice machine for sure though! Ive not had any KTMs myself but too many other motos (Hondas) to count so I know how hard it is to wipe the smiles off your face after spending any amount of time on them.
I was a Honda man also before this bike.

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[walter]

Protecting it from seizure by statute...would mean maintaining current and proper tags, etc., no?

1st, I would have bought it in another jurisdiction than whatever one you don't want to claim.

The new registration of off road vehicle is to access public rats.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/lo...icles-1.866196



The agents want you the public to do their dirty work for them and all they have to do is write up the charge.
Neighbour turning on neighour to make the Crown more money.
That is not protection to me.

[walter]

My ID doesn't qualify.(solb) hahaha
So does that mean I can't exchange my right into a privilege?

I like the second paragraph.
"Customers"
So does that mean I am not one of your customers for not providing usufruct ID?
If I am not a customer then ICBC is acting as a third party interloper.


It also states that transferring into the NAME is not the same as registering in to the NAME.
So who's NAME is the vehicle in if ID is need to TRANSFER it? Remember its a new vehicle.
Has to be theirs.

If so then they are liable for it.
I paid for the equity side of the vehicle as stated in the Purchasers Agreement.
Can I buy the title side?
If ICBC holds title then what consideration to the contract have they given?

[allodial]

A key issue is if the store filled in the information it was your responsibility to is correct it. Likely they got it off the SOLB. The requirement to register is likely for residents. If you are not a resident and live somewhere that does not require registration then it might be sufficient to send them a Notice of Sale or a Bill of Sale showing sale, transfer or assignment to a non-resident.

IMHO, one really has to be one way or another and fully know what one is doing. Fence sitting or dwelling in that border zone can be dangerous--sharp wires that cut.

Re: customer
Customer is the term for someone granted a royal warrant.

Re: ID
If your ID doesn't show you to be a resident, that is likely the key issue. Also, they seem to simply indicate that they want two forms of ID. In the USA at the U.S. post office, an insurance card can suffice as additional ID. A credit card could also suffice. From a very learned and informed perspective I add: certificates of title and driver's licenses tend to be restricted to residents of a state/province. Meaning the ownership or suretyship for the MOTOR VEHICLE VESSEL is a state/provincial office. Now it is possible to register through the normal process and maintain arm's length. As I have mentioned on other threads, the SF97 issued by the U.S. government (GSA) when an automobile is sold at auction is equivalent to an MSO and it is a very interesting process to study (see military auction forums) because U.S. government vehicles are sold and are treated as vehicles NEVER registered and Form SF97 is equivalent to an MSO.

If you say you are taking it out of jurisdiction, they might presume that you are taking it to a jurisdiction where registration is required. If you don't live in any such jurisdiction IT WILL BE UP TO YOU TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY PAPERWORK that a foreign DMV would provide. Take a look at Missouri's Notice of Sale.

Also, even if they did not provide you a bill of sale, you can make up a certificate or affidavit of ownership.

P.S. "Autoplan" sounds very 1984.

[walter]

A key issue is if the store filled in the information it was your responsibility to is correct it. Likely they got it off the SOLB. The requirement to register is likely for residents. If you are not a resident and live somewhere that does not require registration then it might be sufficient to send them a Notice of Sale or a Bill of Sale showing sale, transfer or assignment to a non-resident.

The store only filled in their sections and left the ones for me to fill up blank. The store never saw or asked for ID.
"The requirement to register is likely for residents."
Thanks for pointing that out. I forgot about that.
All their ID requirements are for residents.


I noticed in their wording that they say a "Canadian Driver License" is valid ID.
Yet there is no such thing. All DL are provincial issued. Canada does not issue DL.


Criminal Code of Canada

Defects and Objections
794 (1) No exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification prescribed by law is required to be set out or negatived, as the case may be, in an information.

(2) The burden of proving that an exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification prescribed by law operates in favour of the defendant is on the defendant, and the prosecutor is not required, except by way of rebuttal, to prove that the exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification does not operate in favour of the defendant, whether or not it is set out in the information.

R.S., c. C-34, s. 730.


This is the point I am trying to make here about qualifying.
If I don't qualify then I can use that as a lawful excuse.
Then the burden of proof falls back on the crown to rebut that I do qualify.
How can they do that if their ID is not being used by me?

[xparte]

without lawful excuses no employee has one The burden of proving that an exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification prescribed by law operates in favour of the defendant is on the defendant, and the prosecutor is not required, except by way of rebuttal, to prove that the exception, exemption, proviso, excuse or qualification does not operate in favour of the defendant, whether or not it is set out in the information.they did the collection of evidence mixed with some presumption as to your willingness, competence, soundness or unsoundness of mind: driver's license applications, evidence of bank accounts or checks written, credit card accounts, high school diplomas, college degrees, employment, residence, etc. the BODY your BODY is that body of evidence that corrects the flawed identification employee ID.HOW [you] did the purchase pervects juristiction over internal revenue services employee bennifts CRA agents .Does payment insure perfected debt the mammamon trail 9/10nths of dead law is possession Walter the money is possessed cleanse the notes laundry the contract take the serial # of the bike and search its title and then buy for a buck weld the lonnie on the bike true bill of sale paid with lawful money .Now i am being as ridiculous as the purchase was identified buy a DL or employee. well the bail out buy outright from oneself with a lawful coin lawful excuse and dead estate sails . The tax is for resident and identification of a tax payee salvage.can you find a lawful way to make a legal payment never just like hydro bill its a bill a manufacturer's statement its already been paid buy who.legal advice who owns the bills

[walter]

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/eminent+domain

Eminent Domain

The power to take private property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property.

This is how they can take property we hold.
We to need to "reconstruct" this relationship.
The Nation is holding it in Trust for the public's best interest.

[xparte]

Does a public person vote as a private person,secrete ballots standing votes X marks the beast in penciled lead. Is incarnation prohibiting me from voting. EXPROPRIATION squatting government authority operating Trust for the public's best interest .Becoming peacekeepers first stop must be foreign with diplomatic EXPROPRIATION.9/10ths what were the odds rigging the outcome is for us the outriggers the gatekeepers are foreign .Keeping private property is just not answering the door.

[walter]

Does a public person vote as a private person,secrete ballots standing votes X marks the beast in penciled lead. Is incarnation prohibiting me from voting. EXPROPRIATION squatting government authority operating Trust for the public's best interest .Becoming peacekeepers first stop must be foreign with diplomatic EXPROPRIATION.9/10ths what were the odds rigging the outcome is for us the outriggers the gatekeepers are foreign .Keeping private property is just not answering the door.

The right of suffrage; the right or privilege of voting in public elections. Such right is guaranteed by the Fifteenth, Nineteenth, and Twenty-fourth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

This is under the franchise definition.

[shikamaru]

The right of suffrage; the right or privilege of voting in public elections. Such right is guaranteed by the Fifteenth, Nineteenth, and Twenty-fourth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

This is under the franchise definition.

A synonym of voting is the elective franchise.