Is a bank required to have adequate cash (FRN) on hand to cash out a large check?

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  • keith
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2018
    • 7

    #16
    forgive me for not putting those critical pieces of info in the post. no i do not have a bank account and it is boss's bank. i have been getting paid through this same bank now in the same process i've used for years now until recently (about a month ago) when i was refused payment. i did clearly ask them to provide what law made it compulsory for me to provide an SSN. if no recent changes to law then i am thinking i am dealing with an over zealous "patriot fool" or am i being foolish to not give in as my wife would call it? i do have reservations with doing so, in fact the owner of bank asked me
    " what do you do when your doctor asks for your SSN?"
    to which i replied "its none of his business", his surprised look was one for the ages. is this just conditioning on their part? or is this really lawful?

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    • lorne
      Banned
      • Apr 2015
      • 310

      #17
      Cashed this one a week ago or so at a bank where I had no account. If I don't have the SS card on me ... then I can honestly say: I don't have a SSN. If the check is made out to LEGAL NAME then I can provide IT's SSN and still owe no tax on the income because I've redeemed lawful money. LEGAL NAME only used the Federal Reserve system as fiscal agent of the government to demand U.S. notes in the form of FRNs - lawful money. By law. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/411

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      • keith
        Junior Member
        • Jul 2018
        • 7

        #18
        ok thanks for the responses, so i am to go ahead and supply SSN since the name on check is to B_-_-_-_ Keith B_-_-_-_-_ lower case (if that means anything)? i am not too familiar with trust law so i will spend some time studying these topics in the future. i have read some of te posts in that area but they seem so cryptic for my shallow mind to comprehend but i will sure give it a look.
        thanks again

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        • marcel
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2015
          • 317

          #19
          The larger issue is ... will you endorse private credit (of the Federal Reserve)?

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          • keith
            Junior Member
            • Jul 2018
            • 7

            #20
            marcel, no i do not , i do not have a stamp i just write my demand. have been since mid year 2012 with no bank account. but as far as SSN goes and agencies asking for same, is it not a violation of privacy act ( 42 usc 408 (8) )

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            • David Merrill
              Administrator
              • Mar 2011
              • 5949

              #21
              I know you are asking Marcel but I want to comment.

              It is you who violates your own privacy. The Congress has approved that State agencies can use the SSN for ID purposes. So it is the State agents who have the burden of collecting it. But you will find the State agents will not grant a privilege or license if you refuse to give it over.

              I was told once that you can reverse the metaphysics if you set the Driver License card on the dashboard where the officer can reach it and say, "You can TAKE it if you need to USE it."

              But I have never tried this. And I drive very carefully so that I never am stopped.
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              • keith
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2018
                • 7

                #22
                i agree with you that state agencies are allowed to ask for SSN, are banks state agencies? i have renewed my driver license in the past couple of months and while filling out the paperwork in the SSN box i left it blank no questions were raised over that. although i more than likely have furnished SSN when i was 15yo when i originally got DL so thats probably why it wasn't an issue. if this bank is a quasi state agent should i ask for the agents proof of bonding and oath of office? if they dont have such then they are not the state agency required to be furnished a SSN, correct?

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                • David Merrill
                  Administrator
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 5949

                  #23
                  An easier paradigm is that the State is a member bank of the Fed.

                  I have shown many times that the regulation and requirements to be a state or member bank is very lax.
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                  • keith
                    Junior Member
                    • Jul 2018
                    • 7

                    #24

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                    • David Merrill
                      Administrator
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 5949

                      #25
                      I assume that you made a Demand above the "Endorsement" line. That is all that is required by law.

                      What I suspect is going on is that until you feel redeemed you are not. When you feel redeemed you are, or will be. But then that assumes the existence of time and redemption entails the collapse of time. Check into A Course in Miracles and you might get that part. However Albert was much more concise.

                      In other words I project into your question that Redemption is an inherent birthright (redundancy, I know).
                      Last edited by David Merrill; 08-06-18, 03:23 PM.
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                      • keith
                        Junior Member
                        • Jul 2018
                        • 7

                        #26
                        thank you david, i did make my demand, but my reservations (providing SSN) are probably not worth the trouble i am giving them, i just dont know for sure what the bank is doing with the number. are my apprehensions unfounded? i have been reading the identity posts lately and on this journey there are some confusing aspects to identity, i know who i am, so does owner of bank. which is why i am reluctant to provide SSN for identification where in SSA says not to use it for such. and thank you again for your insight and i will look at a course in miracles

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                        • David Merrill
                          Administrator
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 5949

                          #27
                          Originally posted by keith View Post
                          thank you david, i did make my demand, but my reservations (providing SSN) are probably not worth the trouble i am giving them, i just dont know for sure what the bank is doing with the number. are my apprehensions unfounded? i have been reading the identity posts lately and on this journey there are some confusing aspects to identity, i know who i am, so does owner of bank. which is why i am reluctant to provide SSN for identification where in SSA says not to use it for such. and thank you again for your insight and i will look at a course in miracles
                          A Course in Miracles is a great work if understand William was dosing Helen with LSD. So you are looking at Helen's superconscious mind written in her customized shorthand, through her religious upbringing. My observation is that the reading groups develop into great group therapy though. Albeit I have never opened my book outside the group reading, I have never really sought anything but reverse engineering the work as MK-ULTRA/CIA work product.

                          Helen (the Voice of Jesus) makes many references to the "time collapse" and this makes sense with Einstein's Theory of Relativity. There is also reference to this "reality" being a dream, or maybe more an illusion. This makes sense to me in terms of Schroedinger's Wave Equations, probabilities and dead cats. But I view it more like various balances of sleep neurochemistry - dopamine, serotonin, melatonin and DMT, dimethyltryptomine. There are others but these are the ones I recall easily and can orchestrate to surmise that this waking reality state is a mutually agreed upon holographic construct creating a medium where time has a purpose about remembering, remedy and redemption. Which brings us back to states of mind playing together in the language we apply - numero-linguistics.

                          I do not think the bank is "doing" anything with the number except utilizing it as an identifier. That you "give" the number and "Date" of Birth - date being a gift, is the outward sign of trust. In other words if you do not trust banks, then you might be trusting your mattress and a good handy gun. Or you might have a private trust, with a trustee managing your wealth for your benefit.

                          With a failed judiciary you might notice the Albany Remand is purposeful:



                          It was much more convincing to have the church there, an irrevocable trust. So I imagine the clerk of court took a look at the tiny url provided - lienglobal.

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                          You can get on the OCC email bulletins to evaluate how safe your money is with the bank. I am not suggesting you trust the bank, just that a lot of people do without incident. When it comes right down to it, honor is the binding component for civilization and getting out of elastic currency might be the finish, not just a good start.

                          In all cases/trusts the good trustee is always looking out for the best interest of the beneficiary.
                          Last edited by David Merrill; 08-07-18, 08:59 AM.
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                          • Chex
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 1032

                            #28
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                            • marcel
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2015
                              • 317

                              #29
                              Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
                              Or you might have a private trust, with a trustee managing your wealth for your benefit.
                              Yes, that's what I did. Created a private trust with another trustee to do the banking. No need to provide SSN; in fact the bank didn't even ask me while I watched the banking Trustee make the deposit.

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                              • David Merrill
                                Administrator
                                • Mar 2011
                                • 5949

                                #30
                                Fine then; I am just taking this where my interests lie.

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                                My experience tells me that the real hurdle here is getting insurance for yourself as a member bank. Not becoming one. I have shown many times here an image of how the requirements are very lax, becoming a member bank. I believe simply endorsement of private credit works. But you have to follow all sorts of guidelines from the OCC to be insured against a run on your cash in the mattress, or theft while you go to the grocery...
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