How DO I open a bank account that is not attached to any SS number or State ID?

[jesus victor]

I want to open a bank account that has no link to a SS number and or state ID. Does anyone here know how to do that? I have been redeeming lawful money with my non endorsement for awhile now on a business account. I want to open a personal account now and want to keep it separate from any SS #. Any help is much appreciated.

Jesus Victor

[David Merrill]

I do not think that is possible.

If you want to give it a go please carry an audio recorder, or even one of those pen video cameras. Carry your cash in and tell the customer service rep that you have no SSN. [It does not exist without your verification and approval for its use.]

I recall years ago I heard that banking software would allow no SSN by entering 99999's. That would get you through that screen and to the next screen with the County field. The rep would key upward and find USA or United States of America rather than US or United States and then be able to delete the 999999's and proceed. It was probably a patriot myth.



P.S. Welcome and cool name!

[jesus victor]

So if they do not do it, then I would open a regular account and then make sure to sign my card with "12 USC 411". Correct?

Jesus Victor

[EZrhythm]

This is what I have experienced- The bank will ask for an SS# to which you may show but basically the W-9 form is what gives consent for the banks to share account info with the IRS. You may decline to sign the W-9 and in exchange they will tell you that your account cannot earn interest. No problem! After having the account for a time the bank will send a W-9 form in the mail to which it may be ignored.

[Jethro]

I was added as a signor to an existing account without a SSN. They fussed a bit about it, and had to go up the chain to get the ok, which came through no problem. But even then they had to "threaten" that the "system" might "automatically close the account". That was several years ago and I've had no problems.

I'm about to begin a similar endeavor to open an individual account without a number or a driver license/passport. Instead of that "ID" I will identify myself on my terms via the affidavit of identity I have made public notice. W-9's are for "U.S. persons" and therefore not applicable to me; I'll likely furnish an alternative W-8BEN (for nonresident aliens). I also intend to add verbiage to the effect that all transactions related to the account shall be in lawful money, and that it is agreed the body of law that calls itself "Internal Revenue Code" does not apply. We'll see if it's still America in relation to banks.

[David Merrill]

So if they do not do it, then I would open a regular account and then make sure to sign my card with "12 USC 411". Correct?
Jesus Victor

Yes and demand Redeemed Lawful Money on all transactions.

This is what I have experienced- The bank will ask for an SS# to which you may show but basically the W-9 form is what gives consent for the banks to share account info with the IRS. You may decline to sign the W-9 and in exchange they will tell you that your account cannot earn interest. No problem! After having the account for a time the bank will send a W-9 form in the mail to which it may be ignored.

That is where I was going too EZ.

Since you are depriving consent to lend fractionally on your funds the bank is getting no benefit from your funds. I believe we described it legally as Special Deposit. They are just holding your money and have to hold it separate from the endorsers' funds. So do not expect that they have to pay you interest for no benefit.

I was added as a signor to an existing account without a SSN. They fussed a bit about it, and had to go up the chain to get the ok, which came through no problem. But even then they had to "threaten" that the "system" might "automatically close the account". That was several years ago and I've had no problems.

I'm about to begin a similar endeavor to open an individual account without a number or a driver license/passport. Instead of that "ID" I will identify myself on my terms via the affidavit of identity I have made public notice. W-9's are for "U.S. persons" and therefore not applicable to me; I'll likely furnish an alternative W-8BEN (for nonresident aliens). I also intend to add verbiage to the effect that all transactions related to the account shall be in lawful money, and that it is agreed the body of law that calls itself "Internal Revenue Code" does not apply. We'll see if it's still America in relation to banks.

That is great! I suggest that you supplement your ID with a Certificate of Search from the USDC.

Here is an example:

[Jethro]

Thanks, David. Although a similar search for me would likely turn up a record of a civil case, though I won that case.

How would that benefit me?

[allodial]

Perhaps the State/County/City treasurer nearest you provides some kind of banking services? Also folks are apparently able to open accounts with Matricula Consulars and WSA Passports. Perhaps consider a banking passport?

[jesus victor]

Thanks for the insight. I will let you all know how it goes next week.

[David Merrill]

Thanks, David. Although a similar search for me would likely turn up a record of a civil case, though I won that case.

How would that benefit me?

The objective is in relation to a Libel of Review. The judgment is a true judgment because the presenter is making a claim without filing first in the district courts of the US. So even if it shows a civil suit there is no cause for the presentment to be binding in law, which sets up the default judgment and lays grounds for successful Refusals for Cause.

[steel_g]

Certificate Searches

Yes and demand Redeemed Lawful Money on all transactions.



I suggest that you supplement your ID with a Certificate of Search from the USDC.
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What other types of searches are available from the clerk? I didn't know clerks offered this type of service i.e. criminal records etc.

[LearnTheLaw]

I do not think that is possible.

If you want to give it a go please carry an audio recorder, or even one of those pen video cameras. Carry your cash in and tell the customer service rep that you have no SSN. [It does not exist without your verification and approval for its use.]

I recall years ago I heard that banking software would allow no SSN by entering 99999's. That would get you through that screen and to the next screen with the County field. The rep would key upward and find USA or United States of America rather than US or United States and then be able to delete the 999999's and proceed. It was probably a patriot myth.



P.S. Welcome and cool name!

It is possible to open an account without a SSN.

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Fortunately, the federal government's presumption about you is also rebuttable. Why? Because the feds are guilty of fraud, among other reasons, by not disclosing the nature of the bankruptcy which they are using to envelope the American people, like an octopus with a suction tentacle in everybody's wallet, adults and children alike. The banks became unwitting parties to this fraud because the Congress has obtained a controlling interest in the banks through the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and their traffic in Federal Reserve Notes and other commercial paper issued by the Federal Reserve banks, with the help of their agent, the private Treasury Department. For further details, read "Return to Constitutional Money" by Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., in the Supreme Law Library on the Internet.

Because this fraud can attach to bank accounts without your knowledge or consent, it is generally a good idea to notify your bank(s), in writing, that the IRS cannot inspect any of your bank records unless you have specifically authorized such inspections by executing IRS Form 6014. The IRS Printed Products Catalog describes this form as follows:

6014 -- 42996R -- (Each)

Authorization ?? Access to Third Party Records for Internal Revenue Service Employees

Authorization from Taxpayer to third party for IRS employees to examine records. Re-numbered as a 4-digit form from Letter 995(DO) (7/77). Changes suggested per IRM Section 4082.1 to help secure the correct information from the third party. EX : E : D Tax Related Public Use

[IRS Printed Product Catalog]
[Document 7130, Rev. 6-89, p. 49]

Make explicit reference to this Form in a routine letter to your bank(s). Inform the appropriate bank officers that they must have a completed Form 6014 on file, with your authorized signature, before they can legally allow any IRS employees to examine your records. Then state, discretely, that you hereby reserve your fundamental right to withhold your authorized signature from Form 6014, because it might otherwise constitute a waiver of your 4th Amendment Rights, and no agency of government can compel you to waive any of your fundamental Rights such as those explicitly guaranteed by the 4th Amendment in the Constitution for the United States of America. (Banks are chartered by the States in which they do business, and as such they are "agencies" of State government.)

For good measure, you might also cite pertinent sections in your State Constitution, particularly where it mandates that the U.S. Constitution is the supreme Law of the Land, as it does in the California Constitution of 1879. Finally, you may wish to state that Form 6014 is not applicable to you anyway, because you are not a "Taxpayer" as that term is defined by Section 7701(a)(14) of the Internal Revenue Code. Therefore, the bank is simply not authorized to release information about you to IRS employees, period!

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The law of presumption:

http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/htm/chapter9.htm

[EZrhythm]

EXCELLENT POST! Although that info doesn't provide what one needs to get by the bank requiring an SSN before they will open an account.

[shikamaru]

EXCELLENT POST! Although that info doesn't provide what one needs to get by the bank requiring an SSN before they will open an account.

Can't you open a non-interest bearing account without an SSN?

[David Merrill]

Can't you open a non-interest bearing account without an SSN?

I think I know where to ask that question!

I have seen a forum for bankers to discuss such questions. There is also a segment of the forum for non-bankers to ask questions of bankers.

Try:

http://www.bankersonline.com/forum/u...Number=1695080


Please start a new thread to keep us informed should your excursions become interesting?