How DO I open a bank account that is not attached to any SS number or State ID?

[allodial]

Termination at the request of the recipient.

There are 14 Updates appearing in the Federal Register for 20 CFR 416. http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/20/416.1333

Someone I know visited an SSA office and asked if there was a form that existed to terminate the card account, benefit etc. The desk clerk (helpful) searched for any such form. The desk clerk was asked if there was a Form 521 and if there were instructions. Being helpful (I witnessed this) she went to find her manager who insisted there was no such thing..no such for..no way to cancel/terminate the card/account etc. So the next step was to go get the form which was out in the car. Went to the same clerk, showed her the form. She showed sincere surprise, she was asked if there were instructions for the form. She went to the manager. When the manager saw the form (a butchish, redhead female) she could not contain her self. She SHRIEKED "HOW DID HE GET THAT?!" and red-faced, angry and caught in a lie by multiple witnesses scurried back into her office out of sight. So that form must be 'insignificant' right?

[JohnnyCash]

Form 521 won't cancel/terminate the card/account. It's a request to cancel your application for SS benefits. Doesn't apply to most of working America. http://www.ssa.gov/retire2/withdrawal.htm

Thank you for taking time out of your day to address our humble gathering.

[allodial]

Form 521 won't cancel/terminate the card/account. It's a request to cancel your application for SS benefits. Doesn't apply to most of working America. http://www.ssa.gov/retire2/withdrawal.htm

Thank you for taking time out of your day to address our humble gathering.

AFAIK both the card itself and the account are a benefit. To cancel the account, I would suspect that a very direct written cancellation rather than a "request" to cancel might be better. If the form wasn't suitable for withdrawing the card/account benefit I suspect the branch manager wouldn't have been in such a storm.

Related: Withdraw from Social Security

[JohnnyCash]

Let us say ...

Mabel has operated a diner from a building near the road on her property for a long time. It's called Mabel's Kitchen. The business entity started as a sole proprietorship - Mabel Smith d/b/a Mabel's Kitchen. She never registered the DBA (Doing Business As) nor the trade name.

Now Mabel is getting on in years and her children now handle most of the work. Also, much of her business is now coming from catering & online sales of "Mabels" branded products. For these and other reasons Mabel considers incorporating the business but finally decides to form a trust - MABEL'S KITCHEN TRUST - on 2/19/2015.

Now on 2/20/15 everyone arrives at the diner and told the business entity has changed, but she doesn't change the restaurant signage and continues to answer the phone as Mabel's Kitchen. That's the trade name the new trust will continue to use. The business continues to use the old bank account seemingly without any issues.

[allodial]

Sole Proprietorships tend to be associated with Fictitious Name Registrations -> Mabel Smith d/b/a Mabel's Kitchen. MABEL'S KITCHEN TRUST (i.e. the trustee or the trust corpus in action) can file a fictitious name registration showing that it is d/b/a Mabel's Kitchen. If she got an IRS EIN assignment its possible she could have opened the bank account without filing a DBA locally.

The bank and the IRS can be given a copy of the power of attorney effectively given to the trustee/trust over "Mabel's Kitchen" and over any the existing accounts. She can give consent to the use of the trade name intellectual property in writing as part of the trust declaration. The new trust can also establish separate bank accounts. If Mabel never registered the old dba, likely the bank accounts are in the name Mabel Smith unless she managed to get the bank to open it that way--and so still she can do up a power of attorney to the trustee /trust.

It tends to be rather 'universal' that a DBA need not be filed if the 'name' of the business has the name of the proprietor. As in Mable Smith having a company name Mabel's Diner might be exempt from requirement to register a dba.

Mabel Smith will want to be very particular about how she forms the trust (it could be a living trust, revocable, irrevocable trust, etc.) and how real property, intellectual property or other property are transferred to the trust. Real property transfers might be best done by filing in the Real Estate records of the respective county/parish were applicable.

Depending on the way the new trust is established, Mabel Smith could be the senior trustee and appoint a successor trustee.

[shikamaru]

Me and banks...long story. I avoid them. It became clear to me that in the US in the past 20 years or so purpose has been to obstruct/prevent/interfere and spy. In the past say five years I have spent more time teaching branch managers than getting useful services out of them. If I got involved directly it would likely be me talking with bank counsel rather than a teller. Of course, I am for redeeming for lawful money or non-endorsement. Point was -> inkjets can be used instead of stamps to do non-endorsement--using practice/test blanks helps prevent ruining a check. Knowing what color socks I wear probably isn't going to assist with remedy unless you want to be as cool as me. Have you met Shoonra yet?

P.S. Trying psychology on me is LOL. "These aren't are the droids you're looking for."

If you haven't met Shoonra i.e. 'Uncle Bernie' you are in for a treat folks.

Very colorful character to say the least ....

[shikamaru]

Termination at the request of the recipient.

There are 14 Updates appearing in the Federal Register for 20 CFR 416. http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/20/416.1333

A big, big thank-you for this one.

A most excellent find.

[stoneFree]

I've heard that LLC and trust entities are not required to file an annual report. Sounds like an advantage.

[allodial]

I've heard that LLC and trust entities are not required to file an annual report. Sounds like an advantage.

The same might apply to general partnerships (and sole proprietorship. Re: LLCs, might vary from State to State. Also, looking into what constitutes "doing business" might be worthwhile. Because one might believe something is "doing business" in a State when it isn't.

Related:

• What Constitutes "Doing Business" By Foreign Corporations
• What Constitutes Doing Business In Virginia
• Foreign Corporations: What Constitutes Doing Business Under New York's Qualification Statute?

[stoneFree]

Relarded: Work for years paying 6.2% into Social Security, then terminate your eligibility for benefits so you'll never see a dime of it.

• meh

[stoneFree]

Some argue that corporations, LLCs, are as governmental entities, since their limited liability is the result of government fiat, rather than contractual dealings among individuals. Thus in some ways corporations have more rights than individuals.

Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and The Theft of Human Rights

http://www.objectivistliving.com/for...howtopic=14258

[Michael Joseph]

I can appreciate that response. But consider this one: Ref 508(c)(1)(a) which has a total exception and exemption to the code. Now I would only register in State with this Standing as Officer in Corporation Sole in Church Ministry. So then the Church always remains without the State and the Corporation Sole is the Sole Office as Liason between Church and State. This is the Bridge. So the Corp Sole would Register with the Sec of State regarding Standing but NOT in regard to Incorporation. This is very important. Rather the Corp Sole is incorporated by Authority derived from the Church. And the State registration is merely for keeping the peace. So now a banker will see that the State can RECOGNIZE the Corporation Sole. So now the Church which is Foreign to the State can by and thru its Counsel [appointed within said Church] appoint men to perform tasks for the Ministry. So then the Corporation Sole might issue a LICENSE to a Church Foundation formed to do business in the State. And therefore we see the Corporation Sole as an OVERSEER in ADMINISTRATION and we see the Foundation doing what it needs to do in State but we see the Church without the State.

So then the Foundation applies for a banking account as a Church AFFILIATED ORGANIZATION - ordained and overseen by the Corporation Sole - for the benefit of both Church and State. The foundation would therefore also be foreign to the State as it is subject to Church Law. As it was Ordained by Church Law.

So then the Banker only needs to see that the Corporation Sole has been Incorporated [Under Church Law] and is recognized by the State of [insert Name]. Like I said I have seen this done with my own two eyes.

Shalom,
Michael Joseph

Question:Where do you live?

Answer: Can you hear me?

[Chex]

[(D) An individual, whether U.S. or foreign, who is an employer or who is engaged in a trade or business as a sole proprietor should use an employer identification number as required byreturns, statements, or other documents and their related instructions.] & (g)

Special rules for taxpayer identifying numbers issued to foreign persons https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/301.6109-1

and 26 USC 6331(a) and 26 CFR 301.6331-1, Part 4.

[Michael Joseph]

[(D) An individual, whether U.S. or foreign, who is an employer or who is engaged in a trade or business as a sole proprietor should use an employer identification number as required byreturns, statements, or other documents and their related instructions.] & (g)

Special rules for taxpayer identifying numbers issued to foreign persons https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/301.6109-1

and 26 USC 6331(a) and 26 CFR 301.6331-1, Part 4.

That is right. No man can require of another man to do anything. But if a man takes an office and that office has certain duties and obligations subject to certain liabilities and therefore benefits, then the man who is now in office can be made to perform upon his office.

Consider what happens when one UNDERTAKES on behalf of another. That is a one-sided contract. In my opinion, when one flips a cheque over and issues a "naked endorsement" that is a Nudem Pactum. Therefore in PRESUMPTION the office of TAXPAYER is filled by a Grantee/Trustee.

These offices are understood by Faith. But whereof is Love? Shall it be birthed by Faith? To hear the Religionists today you would think so. But this is not The Way. Faith should be birthed out of Love not the other way around. The system of persons requires a "higher power" to Administrate and promote Justice.

The premise is simple..... "If you give your Word, then perform your Word".

Enter insurance stage left. This insurance is the means to "attempt" to remove the Ever Living God from the midst of government. An improper oath of office is no oath at all and therefore the performance of said office requires the consent of men and women as Grantor's of their good Faith in Trust.

Basically, these bogus officers are independent business operators posing as officers of State being understood by insurance policies. "May I have your business card?"

Best Regards,
Michael Joseph

[allodial]

Some argue that corporations, LLCs, are as governmental entities, since their limited liability is the result of government fiat, rather than contractual dealings among individuals. Thus in some ways corporations have more rights than individuals.

Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and The Theft of Human Rights

http://www.objectivistliving.com/for...howtopic=14258

The 14th Amendment was about giving corporations status as citizens under the guise of giving so-called "negroes" access to citizenship. "negro" and and "necro" refer to 'dead' or 'civilly dead' of corporations, slaves and married women. Generally, brown-skinned people never needed the 14th amendment technically because they always had access to citizenship or nationality in the states of America. However, those who were "born slaves" and agreeably so were the only ones who the 14th amendment would help. But the trick was to malign brown-skinned people, coercing a franchise on people that didn't necessarily need it. Furthermore, it might be that career soldiers and military companies would need the 14th amendment. It might not be a coincidence that standing armies in the U.S. arrived around the time of the 14th amendment.

The reason they are filling roles historically filled by kings might be because they are under the direction of some king or sovereign.

Another thing about corporations...

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. Genesis 1:30 KJV

And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
...
And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life

According to Blackstone and the Congressional Record corporations regarded to be souless. Do corporations eat? The Congressional Record also shows that the Congress only legislates over corporations rather than over living souls.