Searching for “Marriage” In the Fourteenth Amendment

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  • allodial
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 2866

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    Searching for “Marriage” In the Fourteenth Amendment

    By Publius Huldah

    During April 2015, the US Supreme Court heard oral arguments in Obergefell v Hodges and consolidated cases. The questions presented for the Court to decide are:

    1. Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a State to license a marriage of two people of the same sex?
    2. Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage of two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out of state?
    Section 1 of the 14th Amendment says

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law." [emphasis mine]
    " (3rd para up from end) [emphasis mine]
    The Judicial Power of the Federal Courts is Strictly Limited by The Constitution! Alexander Hamilton writes in Federalist No. 83 (8th para):

    " [emphasis mine]


    the 14th Amendment was to protect freed slaves from being lynched, imprisoned, or having their stuff taken away except pursuant to the judgment of their peers after a fair trial! .

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    P.S. Its interesting that in one case an administrative law 'judge' suggested that the price of citizenship or having a license or being a member of the society brought with it the obligation to obey the laws, but yet what the price of citizenship in the United States being adherence to the laws and morals of the several states? The 14th amendment reads at the very first sentence:

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
    They are citizens (subjects) of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. So they if are subjects of the state wherein they reside, what gives the subject and franchisee the right to nullify state law? Its well established that freeborn "Blacks" were participants in early government and that attempts to diminish those rights were unlawful. But where was anyone given the right to engage in practices which undermine the public health?

    The 14th amendment does not read:

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside and if such persons don't like the laws of the state wherein they reside they can appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States to get a license to ignore them.
    In New Zealand and Canada and most everywhere else, "gays" get civil unions or 'civil partnerships' not marriages. But is the MSM attacking New Zealand, Canada and those places? The 14th amendment never granted any right for 'gay marriage'. The right to for two men or two women or 1,000 men and women to merge their estates through powers of attorneys, trusts, estate planning methods and written agreements has never abrogated.
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  • pumpkin
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    • Feb 2014
    • 174

    #2
    States should not be in the marriage license business at all. It is none of the servants fucking business. THAT IS THE WHOLE OF THE PROBLEM. Fix that and it all goes away. Marriage is a fact of the case to be determined as all others.

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    • allodial
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      • May 2011
      • 2866

      #3
      Originally posted by pumpkin View Post
      States should not be in the marriage license business at all. It is none of the servants fucking business. THAT IS THE WHOLE OF THE PROBLEM. Fix that and it all goes away. Marriage is a fact of the case to be determined as all others.
      Quite a few states such as the State of Mississippi are considering removing marriage licenses altogether and going back to the simple county recording system. The issue about gay marriage is really an issue of solidifying and institution of 'equality' of corporations and the civilly dead with the living. SCOTUS is out to enshrine a franchise that further entrenches the treatment of corporations as though they were living souls (writ of mortmain, etc.).

      Publius Huldah made the point that states weren't in the marriage business. Perhaps the Federal Government coaxed it?



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      For you have said: We have entered into a league with death, and we have made a covenant with hell. When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come upon us: for we have placed our hope in lies, and by falsehood we are protected. Isaiah 28:15 Douay-Rheims (identical to KVJ)
      It might be worth noting that when someone joins certain societies (such as those who make a covenant with death) or the military, they might become "civilly dead". If you look at the legal issues surrounding World War I and the issue of sovereign states joining with non-colonies in war--especially in the declaration of war (the subject-ites needed their masters to declare war), it raised flags because the subjects/slaves of one could not legally join with the freeborn or sovereign nations in war activity. A similar thing might hold for residents of municipalities (members of dead corporation) in contrast to associates of a county. "Do you live in the City?"

      There is a lot of lower-level, backroom manipulations going on behind the whole gay marriage thing. Another is an attempt to provoke widespread denial of rights to "Blacks" by wrongly drawing "Blacks" into parity people who have sexual fetishes and exhibitionism problems and figure that "everyone" must be aware of and approve of what they do in the privacy of their own homes. "Its none of our business" but yet they are hell bent on making it everyone's business if they can.

      The terms "black" (as opposed to "Black") and "negro" should be read in parity with 'corporation' because it does not describe anyone freeborn who is outside of a servitude. The term "colored" describes a felon much like "checkered past". (Imagine generations of people being taught to bear false witness against themselves.) The lawyers behind the Gay Agenda are really furthering entrenchment of 'corporate personhood'. Why? Because they know that under Natural Law they are as the dead--dead under the law rather dead to the law. So consider men and women who perpetrate crimes perpetrated under the cover of corporate (probate) law do so because they would be dead under the law so they "make a covenant with death" to avoid the consequences. Point is that behind the scenes of the Gay Agenda (and other such similar things) its to do with revisions to long-standing principles of probate law.

      With Gay Marriage, the ways by which a man or a woman can be robbed of 1/2 his stuff have been at least doubled. Palimony and regular divorce was bad enough. "Gay Marriage" gives probate courts a lot more business.

      So you get this idea of 'equality' is to formulate a system where by the civilly dead are as if equal to the living which is tantamount to a conspiracy to force everyone into slavery. Equity is better then equality. Corporations could not have had their foothold on American soil without the 14th amendment. The conspiracy against rights of "Blacks" or "Moors" was just a lead-in to the 14th which would not have been needed if the conspiracy wasn't there to begin with.

      It must be understood that if someone is a member of a corporation, they are 'civilly dead' and all of the inroads made for 'equality' have been toward dragging the living down to the 'realm of the dead'. Equity is about fairness. Equality is about dragging people down.

      I set out on this ground which I suppose to be self-evident: 'That the earth belongs in usufruct to the living;' that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it... We seem not to have perceived that by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independent nation to another." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:454
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      Note the parallels:

      [1] The same "Gays" that want sympathy and exemption from the sword of the state for the crimes they committed under a state's law have hardly evidenced restraint to threatening to put the sword or violence to someone who disagrees with them;
      [2] The same corporations and corporate bosses who want exemption from the law for crimes they commit regularly have people prosecuted for shoplifting, stealing, etc.--but if they rob millions of billions of $ and of their livelihood and kill animals in the Gulf of Mexico they claim that they "have placed their hope in lies, and by falsehood they are protected". Yet Michael Vick goes to jail and loses his career over dog fighting? But its allegedly OK for corporations to dump radioactive waste in the Pacific or oil in the Gulf of Mexico and cause the deaths of thousands of animals--yet no one gets arrested? If you go to a BP and attempt to steal some gasoline or snacks, what would happen?

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      "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
      "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
      Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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