Structured Water

[Guest]

Does anyone have any experience, research or opinions about structured water and devices that claim to structure water?

I came across this while researching alternatives to the current filter/softening system on our well water supply. I have done some reading and research about this and was curious if anyone else either uses this technique or has had experience with it.

http://www.naturalactionwater.com/

thanks.

[allodial]

Sound can be used. Spinning water in a circle before you drink it believe it or not passes it through ambient magnetic fields. I know people that unconsciously 'spin' their drinks all the time when they drink. Putting water in bottles that have magnets attached to them in a particular way is a lot cheaper.

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magnetite.htm

http://www.magneticeast.com/agriculture/results.html

http://www.envirohealthtech.com/magdetails.htm

http://www.naaritoday.com/health/alternativetherapies/magnetic.html

My research suggests that what one is dealing with pertains to "surface tension" as in "clustering" relates to surface tension.

[Anthony Joseph]

Sound can be used. Spinning water in a circle before you drink it believe it or not passes it through ambient magnetic fields. I know people that unconsciously 'spin' their drinks all the time when they drink. Putting water in bottles that have magnets attached to them in a particular way is a lot cheaper.

If I recall correctly, "North Pole" water is best (i.e. north poles of magnets face the water on all sides) for growth.

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magnetite.htm

How about a blender? Is that too much violent movement and noise to create structured water or is that the same as "spinning" it?

Here is an interview with a sceptic who installed a unit anyway and saw results...

http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/unveiling-structured-water-roger-dagget-story/9Z2oR47KLvpHH3Vy8MwHtQ

[allodial]

Blender should do. However, the blender might generate its own field. Putting magnets on pipes leading to your water heater or the like will affect the water. You dont really need to buy a $1000 system. Re "north pole" vs "south pole" might want to look into that. It might depend on what is desired.

http://www.decluster.com/science.htm

http://www.decluster.com/science.htm

Albert Roy Davis and Walter Rawls wrote about their experiments with magnetizing water in The Magnetic Blueprint of Life, published in 1979. They were the first scientists to discover that North pole magnetized water has a higher surface tension, and South pole water has a lower surface tension. North pole water strengthens the bonding (contracts) of the oxygen and hydrogen, and South pole water weakens the bonding (expands), if I recall correctly. Magnetic fields change water in other ways too, as revealed by Davis and Rawls.

http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_7585842_diy-magnetic-water-treatment.html

There is/was a site that showed the results of lots of mineral deposits dropping out of a household water system simply from placing magnets against the pipes. If I recall correctly, the north poles faced in toward the water. However, if i recall correctly, it was necessary that the water be allowed to run for a while to allow the mineral deposits to flush out--the water had a color apparently for as long as it took the mineral deposits to flush out.

http://www.ener-tec.com/OurProductLine/WaterScaleControl/tabid/54/Default.aspx

The lower the surface tension, the more 'fluid' and the less 'clumpy' the water is. Naysayers that I've come across like to imagine water to always be pure H2O when obviously the sea and rivers are loaded with minerals, chemical compounds, etc. If one can perceive that the "water" isn't just water, that its solution of ions, elements, etc. then the use of magnets should make perfect sense.

[David Merrill]

I use a fishtank aerator and a welder's magnet:

I blow ozone through the aerator and the water comes through the reverse osmosis filter. I photographed it outside while testing because it is ugly under sinks.

The aerator is held on the side of the blue cooler by suction cups.

when devitalizedform hex-rings and this is much more absorbent into cells.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[allodial]

Awesome system. I utilize a bubbler for making colloidal silver. Still water isn't substantially passing through magnetic fields thus the 'relaxation'.

http://www.wellnessgoods.com/messages.asp

[Treefarmer]

when devitalizedform hex-rings and this is much more absorbent into cells.



Regards,

David Merrill.

How do you measure the Van der Waal radius of your water?

We get our water from a spring next to the cabin.
It gets pumped into a 100 gal holding tank, through a couple of sediment filters (140 & 5 microns). It flows by gravity into the cabin plumbing, which is mostly plastic and some copper pipe for the hot water.

100 gallons lasts between 3 to 7 days around here.
I would like to know what our Van der Waal radius is.

Recently I began to add about 8 oz of baking soda to each tank fill, to mitigate possible radiation contamination from Fukushima fallout. This raised the ph of the water and made it more pleasant for showering.
I don't know about the radiation, I haven't taken the Geiger counter to it yet.

I think the idea of structured water is very nice, but I wonder how a little tubular plastic/metal/composite man-made device is supposed to make water like it's been flowing out of a mountain stream or other God-made structure?

[David Merrill]

How do you measure the Van der Waal radius of your water?

We get our water from a spring next to the cabin.
It gets pumped into a 100 gal holding tank, through a couple of sediment filters (140 & 5 microns). It flows by gravity into the cabin plumbing, which is mostly plastic and some copper pipe for the hot water.
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100 gallons lasts between 3 to 7 days around here.
I would like to know what our Van der Waal radius is.

Recently I began to add about 8 oz of baking soda to each tank fill, to mitigate possible radiation contamination from Fukushima fallout. This raised the ph of the water and made it more pleasant for showering.
I don't know about the radiation, I haven't taken the Geiger counter to it yet.

I think the idea of structured water is very nice, but I wonder how a little tubular plastic/metal/composite man-made device is supposed to make water like it's been flowing out of a mountain stream or other God-made structure?

It is an empirical equation of state which takes into account the finite size of molecules and the attractive forces between them.

Simply put - the Ideal Gas Law is PV=T; or PV=nrT. Pressure, Volume and Temperature. r is the Universal Gas Constant. Building on that though, the equation is suggestive of the Ideal Gas Law with two constants found by experimental data. I doubt forming the equation though is what you are after.

At the point in the vortex of the fishtank aerator the water is atomized and the ozone passes through as the gas, like ozone in lightning. As the lightning strikes and the electrical charge builds again, this is caused by the magnetic field of the earth. It does not seem like much to us but think about lightning. As the gaseous water moves through the field there is great electrical potential and moving in the field causes a tendency for current - lightning strikes. The water molecules are energized.

The welder's magnet is set with the north field to the aerator. If I lived in Australia though, I imagine I would reverse that.

[Treefarmer]

It is an empirical equation of state which takes into account the finite size of molecules and the attractive forces between them.

Simply put - the Ideal Gas Law is PV=T; or PV=nrT. Pressure, Volume and Temperature. r is the Universal Gas Constant. Building on that though, the equation is suggestive of the Ideal Gas Law with two constants found by experimental data. I doubt forming the equation though is what you are after.

At the point in the vortex of the fishtank aerator the water is atomized and the ozone passes through as the gas, like ozone in lightning. As the lightning strikes and the electrical charge builds again, this is caused by the magnetic field of the earth. It does not seem like much to us but think about lightning. As the gaseous water moves through the field there is great electrical potential and moving in the field causes a tendency for current - lightning strikes. The water molecules are energized.

The welder's magnet is set with the north field to the aerator. If I lived in Australia though, I imagine I would reverse that.

OK, so how do you measure the Van der Waal radius?
What is the measurement?
Is it measured in degrees?

[allodial]

OK, so how do you measure the Van der Waal radius?
What is the measurement?
Is it measured in degrees?

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae206.cfm

http://futuretechtoday.net/ozone/ozoneStory.htm

[Anthony Joseph]

Blender should do. However, the blender might generate its own field. Putting magnets on pipes leading to your water heater or the like will affect the water. You dont really need to buy a $1000 system. Re "north pole" vs "south pole" might want to look into that. It might depend on what is desired.

http://www.decluster.com/science.htm

http://www.decluster.com/science.htm

http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_7585842_diy-magnetic-water-treatment.html

There is/was a site that showed the results of lots of mineral deposits dropping out of a household water system simply from placing magnets against the pipes. If I recall correctly, the north poles faced in toward the water. However, if i recall correctly, it was necessary that the water be allowed to run for a while to allow the mineral deposits to flush out--the water had a color apparently for as long as it took the mineral deposits to flush out.

http://www.ener-tec.com/OurProductLine/WaterScaleControl/tabid/54/Default.aspx

The lower the surface tension, the more 'fluid' and the less 'clumpy' the water is. Naysayers that I've come across like to imagine water to always be pure H2O when obviously the sea and rivers are loaded with minerals, chemical compounds, etc. If one can perceive that the "water" isn't just water, that its solution of ions, elements, etc. then the use of magnets should make perfect sense.

The idea is to structure the water at every faucet including the outside hoses in order to gain the benefits of structured water throughout the whole house and outer grounds/gardens. I am not keen on spending that type of money either unless there is some merit to the idea and provable results. I am skeptical also about the ability of a 12 inch PVC tube to provide structured water for an entire house. I want to be familar and convinced of the science behind it first and then be able to find a way to get it done.

The claim is that the molecule clusters formed by structured water retain any toxins within it and never get absorbed into our cells. The "bad" gets eliminated and the "good" gets absorbed and used by our bodies.

It also claims to erase the bad "memory" of water since they claim water retains the "pattern" of the toxins or stresses it was subject to even after conventional filtration/purification removes the literal toxins and inpurities.

I am new to this concept so I will be trying to gather as much evidence behind the science of it first and then find a way to implement the process for my whole house.

Thanks to all for the input and interest already received.

[allodial]

Its important to comprehend that water sitting in pipes for a while might get 'devitalized'. If you want well-structured water at every point, you'd need to set up a structuring system at most every point or do some plumbing so that everything comes through a central structuring system. You can put magnets along water-hoses ya know.

Filtering water is different from structuring.

[Anthony Joseph]

Its important to comprehend that water sitting in pipes for a while might get 'devitalized'. If you want well-structured water at every point, you'd need to set up a structuring system at most every point or do some plumbing so that everything comes through a central structuring system. You can put magnets along water-hoses ya know.

Filtering water is different from structuring.

As much as water is used in the house, I doubt there is much "sitting in pipes" occurring. We could also be sure to run the water at all outlets on occasion to avoid that scenario. Since we are on well and septic, that will not cost anything and it may actually be beneficial if the idea of "entrainment" they propose is valid.

I do know that filtering is different from structuring and so far I am beginning to warm up to the structured water idea. More research and study is needed though before I am "all-in".

[Treefarmer]

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae206.cfm
http://futuretechtoday.net/ozone/ozoneStory.htm

Interesting links, thank you; no Van der Waal radius mentioned though.
I have a feeling we won't be measuring it any time soon, as it remains elusive.

[allodial]

As much as water is used in the house, I doubt there is much "sitting in pipes" occurring. We could also be sure to run the water at all outlets on occasion to avoid that scenario. Since we are on well and septic, that will not cost anything and it may actually be beneficial if the idea of "entrainment" they propose is valid.

I do know that filtering is different from structuring and so far I am beginning to warm up to the structured water idea. More research and study is needed though before I am "all-in".

I figure at the least...getting a head around 'soft water' vs 'hard water' and how that relates to 'water tension'. Another related topic... '

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