Has anyone here successfully made their Real Property Private, and EXEMPT from Taxes?

[CommonLawWarrior]

Actually, no, it was not your postings. It was other postings. My take on things that seem far fetched to me: if I need 'this far fetched protocol', the Holy Spirit will confirm this by the mouth of two or three witnesses, combined with Scripture, and will the accompanying peace of God. And if not, I will just Keep Moving Forward. No judgement on anyone, they will stand for themselves on Judgement Day, not me. :-)

[CommonLawWarrior]

Good explanation.

How can it possibly belong to you if you did not create it?

Is there any choice but to take responsibility for your own creation?

I didn't create my car, my dog, my gun, but I paid a consideration for them all. Now I own them all. That's how. I paid a consideration for the Land and structures. When paid in full, I will own it all. Not the State. Conversely, I helped to create my Children. But I do NOT own them.

[David Merrill]

Well, that all sounds plausible. However, what I asked was has anyone DONE it? A wise man once said, Take only the advice of those who have done what you propose to do. Leave all other's advice aside.

Yes. I AM - I Have. I began to post the examples but removed them. Your subsequent post explains to me why.

I didn't create my car, my dog, my gun, but I paid a consideration for them all. Now I own them all. That's how. I paid a consideration for the Land and structures. When paid in full, I will own it all. Not the State. Conversely, I helped to create my Children. But I do NOT own them.

You do not Own them, because you did not Create them. Therefore I Own them. I am Responsible for them. You might Redeem them; but without making demand for lawful money - you spin your wheels because the private credit from the Fed will prove residual ownership. Especially with "your" gun; my Sheriff may take it away if you do not accept responsibility for where you point it. I Created it. I Own it.

That is what I said. I Own everything - at least until you quit warring - Commonlawwarrior.

[allodial]

Basically, if I might translate in part, "in the District" everything is chattel underwriting the money system. So if you think you own in such and such a way you might moreso own it in the sense like someone borrowing it for a long time. If you are in the wrong venue and using the wrong kind of money, you may not get too far, at least not in the direction you may wish to proceed. Stepping back and seeing how things that seem unrelated to your quest are in fact very much related related may seem perplexing or threatening but its altogether an important part of coming clean and staying clean and clear. As in: if you want lasting results, be prepared for necessary (internal) lifestyle changes (a half-assed approach can bring you headaches at the least).

It is very possible to deregister real property. If you care to research the Torrens (Land Registration) System you'll find yourself researching the very property registration system that is oh so popular throughout the U.S. of A. But there is a bigger picture. In some cases, going totally private could possibly deprive you of emergency services (i.e. the county or city might not give much of a possum's bottom if your house burns down after you de-register). However, it is possible to deposit bonds and the like to pay for services. One can still contract with the sheriff or the county police for support. Translation: taking your property off the revenue rolls means == no longer paying for the services so you might want to figure out how to deal with that.

Theory is just talk, and that comes cheap. But I want to learn from someone who has put his full commercial liability on the line to WIN this fight!

That which is known as "allodial title a/k/a "full title" has nothing to do with commercial liability. Commerce is something banks and traders of things others make do. An old friend and former sheriff retired and once asked me how he could go about protecting his real estate interests from the Shady as he grows older. Being a sheriff, he was fully aware of the potential (dishonest or honest) threats that could be posed against his interests. It is very much possible to lock down an interest in land real good.

There are liens and there is also, somehow, acquiring allodial title.

[David Merrill]

Indeed - outlawry; caput lupinum - civil death.

This is why I am addressing the delusion that Commonlawwarrior does not already own everything. He will need to be pointing that gun around unnecessarily and that will frighten somebody and they will dial 911...

You cannot unregister without specifying the new survey. Funny "unregister" and "unfile" have never passed any of the spellcheckers.

e=mc²

That is the same formula for centrifugal (centripetal) force. Sustain sonoluminescence in the water with a complex frequency and you might liberate the hydrogen easily. Then you might understand why Morgan says a glass of water could power Chicago.

If I can create an infinite universe with my mind, the offense to your ego is that you cannot.

[allodial]

You cannot unregister without specifying the new survey. Funny "unregister" and "unfile" have never passed any of the spellcheckers.

Yes perhaps in some venues, they require the specification of the new survey. Some folks have simply applied to subdivide then never came back, which left the a blank spot on the plat map. Another issue is how property is classified an assessor after its paid off (public, commercial, residential, etc).

[allodial]

... the reason that the Senate and Cornell Law have driven irregular legislation and "omitted" the Trading with the Enemy Act from the Bankers' Code. That violence was illegal to begin with. I was having a conversation about the violent murder that took place the day before, out of necessity. So here you can read about it for yourselves out of the guilty conscience of FDR himself:

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That issue of illegality probably points to the limits of exercise of police power (i.e. they have trespassed into the county or 'royal courts' much like a stranger trespassing into part of 'the temple' where they ought not be)). Relatedly, I strongly suspect that the term 'county police' is a somewhat misleading and deceptive term.

The point is, regarding the illegality, the issues surrounding the Dick Act might resonate here. The Dick Act, from what I recall, was passed because they realized that it was illegal for them to send the de jure militia or military overseas. That is because the militia is limited to their county, state or proper jurisdiction. Outside of their county or state (the Federal zone for federal citizens) the militia are mercenaries. It might help to realize that the National Guard was founded as a volunteer civic organization rather than being a de jure militia. That probably allows them to be used as mercenaries overseas bypassing multi-constitutional restrictions. Consider, a group of mercenaries, though mostly made up of men from Canada could easily be mistaken for the Canadian Army. When the Piper comes to collect for that kind of twistage I suspect it will be uber nasty, even for FDR.

Vieira and others hold that the (U.S.) National Guard is not at all any militia per the Constitution and the Organic Laws of the United States of America but instead come under Article I, Section 10, Clause 3 (as Troops or Ships of War) ('territorial militia' or 'territorial mercenaries'?).

Thus: the issue of illegality under TWEA.

Maybe its just a coincidence: after Kennedy, the U.S.S Flag starts flying backwards on Air Force One, Lyndon Johnson Americanizes the war in Vietnam. Does a backwards flag tends to connote illegality?

The Dick Act helped resolve the issue of when the United States government could mobilize the National Guard, but federal authorities were not permitted to order the National Guard to service outside the United States.

[Binbokusai Yagyuu]

I get that. It is registered as 'Real Estate or Real Property' with the county courthouse, done so that the Lender has recourse if you don't pay off the debt.

What I am referring to is PAID FOR property, turned into some kind of 'private property, land patent, or whatever you have to call it' that is NOT subject to property taxes. Has anyone on here DONE this?

Theory is just talk, and that comes cheap. But I want to learn from someone who has put his full commercial liability on the line to WIN this fight!

I may only speak of what passes for law in my STATE--
That said, I am unaware of any Land that was "Registered" in my COUNTY

You may find analogous STATUTES in your area that have to do with the difference between "Filing" and "Recording" a Deed
with concomitant liabilities on both sides

[David Merrill]

There is an oath sworn, to be willingly assassinated/terminated (in horrible ways) at about every major step up the degree ladder, in Masonry.

[allodial]

For some reason Isaiah 14:12 came to mind, re: Vietnam, mercenaries being passed off as de jure armies and the wake of all of that kind of thing.

[David Merrill]

For some reason Isaiah 14:12 came to mind, re: Vietnam, mercenaries being passed off as de jure armies and the wake of all of that kind of thing.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

I'm not seeing it yet.

[pumpkin]

People can own land and structures, free from taxation. But also servants can be unfaithful, liars, thieves and even treasonous murderers.

[David Merrill]

Yes. I know. I do.

[CommonLawWarrior]

Yes. I know. I do.

So, I think, if I have read this thread correctly, you are the one person who has answered my questions in the affirmative.

If that be so, then is all that prior discussion of things that seem absolutely like a foreign language to me, stuff I have to be expert in to effect the goal of owning my own land and structures?

If so, I will be busy.

On a side note: I have paid $15,000 in one year for property taxes. I would think I can get a lot of legal work done for $15,000. What say you?

Thanks for your input, even if I don't understand the majority of it.

Scott

[allodial]

If you're wanting to acquire or perfect full title to land, automobiles, etc. it is very much possible. But as indicated one IMHO would do well to know what one is getting into and the various jurisdictional issues especially if you have a municipal corporation to potentially contend with. I wouldn't expect that anyone will drop a recipe at your feet publicly online even if only because it might not be appropriate for your specific situation.

It would probably help for you to:

* - get familiar with concepts of real property law and personal property law
* - know the difference between equitable title and legal title
* - get familiar with the Torrens registration system generally
* - learn the county land description terms and abbreviations used by the assessor or recorder (i.e. in property descriptions)
* - determine the 'generally accepted' origins and source of title to land throughout Texas generally
* - know the importance of fences, walls and permanent markers (not talking about Sharpies) for preventing confusion, fraud and land theft
* - know the importance of a property survey using stakes and chains and have one done if you haven't
* - determine the geographic coordinates of your property and its corner boundaries and such
* - do a title search YOURSELF even if with help

Also, to keep you from wasting time, I wouldn't put too emphasis on "land patents" except maybe for their significance in doing a title search and tracing a 'ambient title' back to its 'origins' (i.e. understanding the foundations of the local system).

Say you somehow manage to perfect full title to that land, how will you manage transfer or distribution of land to family members during or after your life and how exactly you will organize the possession of the land.

(Concrete is over-rated)

...I have to be expert in to effect the goal of owning my own land and structures? If so, I will be busy.

Probably so.

People can own land and structures, free from taxation. But also servants can be unfaithful, liars, thieves and even treasonous murderers.

Ever seen someone robbed of nearly 500 acres? I have. Imagine that kind of heist! Pro tip: if you have that much land: put a wall or fence around it, a very durable stone wall preferably.