I do believe the highest title is a Land Patent

[Guest]

From my research, I have come to find a land patent is the highest form of "title to land" per say. If you have a warranty deed stating the land is free and clear of all liens and debt, you can file for a land patent. It's a little bit different process then most. But from what I know, a land patent is granted by congress themselves and it supersedes state and federal government. After it has been achieved, no lien, or tax can be put on the land. No one has the right to take it away for any reason, and without your permission or the name is not on the "application", no one is allowed to come on the property. Also from my understanding, only congress can revoke it or have it changed in anyway.

This is an informative instruction set I found which explains the process.

https://info.courthousedirect.com/blog/bid/261674/land-patent-faq-part-2-how-to-file-a-land-patent

If I am wrong in any of this information please correct me.
Thoughts on the matter?

[David Merrill]

From my research, I have come to find a land patent is the highest form of "title to land" per say. If you have a warranty deed stating the land is free and clear of all liens and debt, you can file for a land patent. It's a little bit different process then most. But from what I know, a land patent is granted by congress themselves and it supersedes state and federal government. After it has been achieved, no lien, or tax can be put on the land. No one has the right to take it away for any reason, and without your permission or the name is not on the "application", no one is allowed to come on the property. Also from my understanding, only congress can revoke it or have it changed in anyway.

This is an informative instruction set I found which explains the process.

https://info.courthousedirect.com/blog/bid/261674/land-patent-faq-part-2-how-to-file-a-land-patent

If I am wrong in any of this information please correct me.
Thoughts on the matter?

That looks like a quality website at first glance. Land patents are useful in gaining that "highest title" I am sure, as in recordation at a clerk and recorder. That is where the rubber meets the road really - the Torrens System. I wish I had more experience with home property ownership. As I recall most any abstract of title traces back to a land patent signed US Grant.

I think that Internet perceptions and patriot mythology may have been distorting the precept of land patent with allodial title mixed in. Another thing is that after LINCOLN declared the April 15th (1861) Extraordinary Occasion Hiram Ulysses - later known as Ulysses S. GRANT, was signing who-knows-how-many land patents; "U.S. Grant". - A pun called "carpetbagger".

I prefer applying my imagination before Congress by a hundred and fifty years,

[DTBA]

Thanks for the reply!

That is interesting to learn what US Grant actually means. Always thought it meant United States, not the commanding General for the Union during the civil war. Have they adopted the term to be synonymous with United States Grant?

Your right about the patriot mind set. There hearts might be in the right place but, they do not fully understand the methods to accomplish there goal. And from what I've learned here, history is one of the best tools to learn and study to understand those methods of operation.

Interestingly about allodial title to land. My states statutes say that all title to land within the state of Ky is allodial however, they hold right to real estate through eminent domain.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=35393

I have read that land is granted to the people, never sold which is difficult to comprehend. Real estate is anything above the land and therefore can be purchased. If this is true, then how can we claim land without going into debt?

[David Merrill]

Thanks for the reply!

That is interesting to learn what US Grant actually means. Always thought it meant United States, not the commanding General for the Union during the civil war. Have they adopted the term to be synonymous with United States Grant?

Your right about the patriot mind set. There hearts might be in the right place but, they do not fully understand the methods to accomplish there goal. And from what I've learned here, history is one of the best tools to learn and study to understand those methods of operation.

Interestingly about allodial title to land. My states statutes say that all title to land within the state of Ky is allodial however, they hold right to real estate through eminent domain.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=35393

I have read that land is granted to the people, never sold which is difficult to comprehend. Real estate is anything above the land and therefore can be purchased. If this is true, then how can we claim land without going into debt?

I don't know. This is the kind of thing that jumps out at me. I look around and nobody else seems to notice or care. Like Jenny Anne GARNER would quip:

What's in between your ears? (wallet)

Simply put, use responsibly while comprehending relationships. Allodial title is construed in the wrong perceptions of relationship, to government. At least that is why people seem to be squabbling. If the tempers flare up then I presume insecurity. Emotional leads to actual - lack of a bond or secured party - insecurity. People strike out as individuals and think that makes them equipped to own anything.

The redeemed own. But the redeemed are no longer in debt, and therefore are no longer individuals. There are baffling Bible verses about this - quite a few. If you die, you will live. If you give it all up, you will own it all...

The law is always written for the individual. Amazing!!

[DTBA]

The redeemed own. But the redeemed are no longer in debt, and therefore are no longer individuals. There are baffling Bible verses about this - quite a few. If you die, you will live. If you give it all up, you will own it all...

I just read this today and it just clicked in my mind what it meant. Thank you. People want what they want now and get private credit to have it. Issue is, they are a user and not owner. The debt for such desire to have something was never settled. To give up credit and come back to the real realm of "reality".

[DTBA]

I have been reading more about the land patent. Anyone can file for one. But I read an article that stating that it does not supersede state tax which is conflicting to the information on the land patent itself. Looking for verification on this information. Land and property, when purchased or gotten by the endorsement of private credit has to be recorded with the county recorders office and tax assessor. The land or property is then registered as residential, agricultural, or commercial. Not private as private property cannot be taxed. These three forms are all commercial in nature. The land is then used as collateral for government to give loans and then tax is collected due to these loans and private credit. Public debt is tied to the property which is the real reason for tax on that property. The only way to hold true title to it is you have to find out who owns that debt and pay it off so your property is truly free and clear. Then you can register the land as private with the county tax assessor. I will find that article and post it here. I is a interesting read.

http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/work-in-progress/landpatent/landpatent-propertytax.txt

[DTBA]

Another note. I have been reading about the MCO or Manufactures Certificate of Origin for vehicle ownership. By reading the Uniform Certificate of Title Act, link provided below. It states that if the vehicle is held under an MCO, the owner has the right to select the proper jurisdiction for any claim that comes against the owner. Ownership is transfered by the original bill of sales which is the MCO. Therefore, you can indeed own your vehicle. Also, apparently if you buy a car from a dealer, you can ask/demand for the MCO and they will give it to you for a small fee. (Have not verified this but have read if from a forum somewhere.) In Kentucky, to register a vehicle, the application for registration must come with the MCO. Link is provided.

http://www.uniformlaws.org/shared/docs/certificate_of_title/ucota_final_06.pdf

http://lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=5917

[DTBA]

Hello All,

I haven't been on the scene for a while but wanted to inform people of the Homestead Exemption through your local PVA office created by the Homestead Act. I'm researching more about holding property in private form which from what I have found out is just UN-recording it from the County Recorders office as that is consent for it to be assessed for taxation purposes through the Ad Valorem tax roll which is fully commercial in nature according to the Institute for Professionals in Taxation. Ad valorem Tax must pass 4 criteria through the U.S. Constitution Commerce clause to be deemed a valid tax on any commercial act. Just wanting to inform everyone of what I have found so far. Thank you and God Bless!

[DTBA]

Hello Again,

The second thing I researched is the true definition of a motor vehicle as it is not truly defined by my state statutes under definitions. However, I did find the definition in Title 18 Chapter 2 subsection 31 Definitions. Read Definition 6 and then definition 10. Link provided from GPO website https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE...hap2-sec31.pdf and it is Positive Law which is nice. This creates two criteria to meet in order for any vehicle to be classified as a motor vehicle and must be registered. If either fail, then it's not a motor vehicle. Even the Federal Motor Carrier Satefy Administration states in there FAQ that if a CMV is being used for personal use only, there regulations do not apply to the user or the vehicle itself as it's not used for Gain. Link provided read question 5 and guidance that follows. https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulation.../section/390.5

Thanks and God Bless.

[David Merrill]

I recall trying that sort of thing in county court. When I resorted to law dictionaries the prosecutor objected and the "judge" upheld the objection. All the research went out the window at that point.

[Thomas Robert]

Hello DTBA, After you get your land patent and everything done what are the benefits you expect to experience, if any?

[DTBA]

That's interesting to know. But then I must ask, if the law cannot be upheld to work as it should then, what is the next step? Do the federal courts do the same thing or, is using a law dictionary to define words and phrases not defined in the documents being tried actually going off course and gives them a valid objection? The way this stuff is written, the color "red" can mean 5000 different things basically. Which is why they use legalize. We all know of the Oath bond dodging and how that process is suppose to work. But if they are holding office unlawfully then can we as a people still hold a claim against them? I'm still an infant on this information but find it fascinating. I've learned and read a lot since the discovery of this website. And look at everything differently now. As you have way more experience with this then I, as I have only been in court twice. Once on the jury, and the other for having a expired drivers license when I was a young man.

Thanks for your response and God Bless!

[DTBA]

I'm not to sure. From what I have found out, the Land patent is suppose to be the highest form of "title" to property and no claim can be made against it if it is a perfected "title". However, in my state, according to the Revised Statues, it says that all forms of title are allodial. Link provided. ( http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=35393 ) But, that states that they hold right to eminent domain on real estate. Real estate is still putting or converting private property to a commercial classification. Real estate is commercial in nature. Extracting my property from commercial realm and holding it in private form means it's not real estate from what I have researched. The land patent is suppose to grant you the land by congress themselves, and congress is outside of the United States corp form of government as they are part of the Republic. They control the United States federal corp. as they created it via the Act of 1871. The only people who can revoke the land patent is congress. Private property is protected under the Republic Constitution for the United States of America. Which brings me to State Citizen vs U.S. citizen. These are two Citizenship's in this country for the two different forms of government. State Citizen is for the Republic, U.S. citizen is for U.S. corp. . Reading the Immigration and Nationality Act, you find that you are born a National and then granted U.S. citizenship. The State citizen can be achieved via the passport through the Post Office. This will correct your status when you fill out the application and check no to U.S. citizen. However, I have not tried this but reports say it works. But then you must fulfill any contracts you have with the U.S. Corp government and get to a clean slate. Then stop contracting with them. Now this turns to Lawful money redemption that has been provided via this site by David and Joseph. This effectively terminates any agreement to operate with private credit with any Bank. But, I have found out it's not just an endorsement on checks. This remedy can be used on all financial documents. Anything that says revenue on it or tied to a revenue agency, this can be used. Very powerful I must say as the federal reserve is so deeply woven into today's government agency's and administrations.

Please note however, I am still only a researcher at this moment. I wish to educate myself to the point of being able to stand firm on my processes and or claims to truly be able to achieve my goals. Then share valid information for others to use. This year is the first year of me filing a lawful money return with the IRS and the fear is still present in my mind. This will be my first step into actually acted on my knowledge. The second will most likely be the passport as a man I worked with who worked at the post office was telling me about filling for a passport and he validated some of the information I researched.

Thanks for the question and response. God Bless!

[DTBA]

I have noticed some information on here about the MCO/MSO for your cars and may have found a valid solution. You can contact the manufacturer of the vehicle and request a duplicate copy of the MCO/MSO through them. They will send you and affidavit you fill out and have notarized and then send it back. It will take about a month to do and get the duplicate but it's a duplicate of the original on the correct paper with security measures in place. Then you can void out the state Title and return it to them.

Thanks and God Bless!

[DTBA]

To add to my post about the U.S. Federal citizen vs state citizen. The documentation that I verified that from was "The slaughter house cases" in Louisiana. link provided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/83/36
Those cases proved the difference between a State Citizen and a U.S. citizen. The State Secretary can sign/issue passports for identification in every state and is done so via the Post Office. However, state citizenship is not a option on the passport application. You must select "other" and then use your Birth certificate or other proof that you are a State citizen. But I put this into question as going back to 1775, when Ben Franklin borrowed money from France to fund the war and then could not pay it back. Which created the first bankruptcy. Then this would explain why some call the U.S. Constitution a bankruptcy document. Meaning that ALL of the procedures fall under bankruptcy law and administration when you look at the big picture of things.

Thoughts?