Elites engage in commerce by proxy

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Elites engage in commerce by proxy ....
Perhaps one should give thought to doing the same?

Physiocracy

Precursors

Physiocracy is an agrarianist philosophy which may trace its origins to various sources. During the latter period of the Roman Republic, the dominant senatorial class was not allowed to engage in banking or commerce but relied on their latifundia, large plantations, for income. They circumvented this rule through freedmen proxies who sold surplus agricultural goods.

After the decline of the Roman Empire, de-urbanization led to commerce and trade ceasing to exist throughout most of western Europe. Economies became centered around agricultural manors where warrior-landlords, the Medieval nobility, collected rent from their serfs in the form of their produce. This was the dominant economic system until trade began to return in the Late Middle Ages leading to the rise of the merchant class.

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Latifundium

Latifundia could be devoted to livestock (sheep and cattle) or to cultivation of olive oil, grain, and wine. However, in Rome, they did not produce grain and Rome had to import grain (in the Republican period, from Sicily and North Africa, in the Imperial era, from Egypt). Ownership of land, organized in the latifundia, defined the Roman Senatorial class. It was the only acceptable source of wealth for senators, though Romans of the elite class would set up their freedmen as merchant traders, and participate as silent partners in profits to which senatores were disqualified.

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Slavery in Ancient Greece

Slaves were also employed in the home. The domestic's main role was to stand in for his master at his trade and to accompany him on trips. In time of war he was batman to the hoplite; it has been argued that their actual role was far greater.[47] The female slave carried out domestic tasks, in particular bread baking and textile making. Only the poorest citizens did not possess a domestic slave.[48]

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Cadet branch

In such cases, primary responsibility for promoting the family's prestige, aggrandizement, and fortune fell upon the senior branch for future generations. A cadet, having less means, was not expected to reproduce a family. If a cadet chose to raise a family, its members were expected to maintain the family's social status by avoiding derogation, but could pursue endeavors that might be considered demeaning for the senior branch, such as immigration to another sovereign's realm, or engagement in commerce, or a profession (such as law), academia, or civil service.

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Roman commerce

Whereas in theory members of the Roman Senate and their families were prohibited from engaging in trade,[1] the members of the Equestrian order were involved in businesses, despite their upper class values that laid the emphasis on military pursuits and leisure activities. Plebeians and freedmen held shop or manned stalls at markets while vast quantities of slaves did most of the hard work. The slaves were themselves also the subject of commercial transactions. Their high proportion in society (compared to that in Classical Greece), and the reality of runaways, the Roman Servile Wars and minor uprisings, they gave a distinct flavor to Roman commerce.

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Perhaps you already are and just don't know it?



Imagine for a moment that each State is an agricultural plantation. Tax revenues are the rents maybe?

Physiocracy is an agrarianist philosophy which may trace its origins to various sources. During the latter period of the Roman Republic, the dominant senatorial class was not allowed to engage in banking or commerce but relied on their latifundia, large plantations, for income. They circumvented this rule through freedmen proxies who sold surplus agricultural goods.

Perhaps each State/Estado of the United States is a "latifundia"? What do they call the buildings were automobiles are made? Plants. Hmm interesting--another kind of 'cash crop'?

plantation - an estate (the Spanish word 'estado' is synonymous with state ) where cash crops are grown on a large scale (especially in tropical areas)
Synonym: acres, demesne, landed estate, estate, land - extensive landed property (especially in the country) retained by the owner for his own use; "the family owned a large estate on Long Island"
Synonym: orangery - a place where oranges are grown; a plantation of orange trees in warm climes or a greenhouse in cooler areas

Plantation - a newly established colony (especially in the colonization of North America);
Synonym: colony, settlement - a body of people who settle far from home but maintain ties with their homeland; inhabitants remain nationals of their home state but are not literally under the home state's system of government; "the American colony in Paris"
North America - a continent (the third largest) in the western hemisphere connected to South America by the Isthmus of Panama

plantation - garden consisting of a small cultivated wood without undergrowth

Possibly relevant: municipal trading; social credit; www.ssa.gov.

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That's some way of looking at things .

I'll have to chew on that.

What I was seeking to convey was that a person should engage in commerce through a corporation or trust and not as a sole proprietor.

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Way back then a freeman was one without an estate or plantation, he/she often worked for an estate or plantation until enough resource could be saved to create their own plantation or estate, the age of majority.

Shareholders make elections;

SBOT = Yahweh

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Way back then a freeman was one without an estate or plantation, he/she often worked for an estate or plantation until enough resource could be saved to create their own plantation or estate, the age of majority.

That was not a freeman, at least as defined.
If one is without and working for another, that's servitude. Not freedom.

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It took four bronze sestertii, like the one of Marcus Aurelius as Caesar shown here, to make a silver denarius, the penny of the Bible. Gladiators accumulated sestertii in hopes of buying their freedom.

http://www.coinworld.com/articles/the-price-for-freedom/

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That was not a freeman, at least as defined.
If one is without and working for another, that's servitude. Not freedom.

I offer you to further investigate definitions in greater detail;

Freedom does not mean everything is without labor, freedom is not free.
Boyd K. Packer, a prominent religious educator, said: "Freedom is not a self-preserving gift. It has to be earned, and it has to be protected."
Agreeing to work to take care of ones self and his family is not enslavement.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_%28Colonial%29

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I offer you to further investigate definitions in greater detail;

Freedom does not mean everything is without labor, freedom is not free.
Boyd K. Packer, a prominent religious educator, said: "Freedom is not a self-preserving gift. It has to be earned, and it has to be protected."

Let's begin. Shall we?
I did not imply that freedom was without labor.
If some strongman is deriving usufructus from you as some sort of tribute or is directing your labor that is a form of servitude, not freedom.

Besides, we are talking about the status and title of freeman.

Agreeing to work to take care of ones self and his family is not enslavement.

The kind of work one does is available to them is often determined by class.

"Freedom" was earned after an allotted time, or until the person demanding "payment" was satisfied – this was known as indentured servitude, and was not originally intended as a stigma or embarrassment for the person involved since many of the sons and daughters of the wealthy and famous of the time found themselves forced into such temporary servitude.

An indentured servant would sign a contract agreeing to serve for a specific number of years, typically five or seven. Many immigrants to the colonies came as indentured servants, with someone else paying their passage to the Colonies in return for a promise of service. At the end of his service, according to the contract, the indentured servant (male or female) usually would be granted a sum of money, a new suit of clothes, land, or perhaps passage back to England. An indentured servant was not the same as an apprentice or a child who was "placed out."[/I]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_%28Colonial%29

Thank-you for the cite. However, if you believe indentured servitude makes one free or a freeman, I need to take you back to basics so that you can clearly distinguish servitude from liberty.

Let's look at how some of your ancestors defined free man:

Hannah Arendt traces the origins of the concept of freedom to the practice of politics in ancient Greece. According to her study, the concept of freedom was historically inseparable from political action. Politics could only be practiced by those who had freed themselves from the necessities of life, so that they could attend to the realm of political affairs (political freedom)

Roman law also embraced certain limited forms of liberty, even under the rule of the Roman Emperors. However, these liberties were accorded only to Roman citizens. Still, the Roman citizen enjoyed a combination of positive liberty (the right to a trial, a right of appeal, law and contract enforcement) and negative liberty (unhindered right to contract and the right to not be tortured). Many of the liberties enjoyed under Roman law endured through the Middle Ages, but were enjoyed solely by the nobility, never by the common man. The idea of unalienable and universal liberties had to wait until the Age of Enlightenment. (Liberty)

Baron is a title of nobility. The word baron comes from Old French baron, itself from Old High German and Latin (liber) baro meaning "(free) man, (free) warrior"; it merged with cognate Old English beorn meaning "nobleman".[1] The mediaeval Latin word baro, baronis, was used originally to denote a tenant-in-chief of the early Norman kings, which class developed into feudal barons who held their lands from the king by the feudal tenure per baroniam and were entitled to attend parliament. (Baron)

FRANK c.1300, "free, liberal, generous," from O.Fr. franc "free (not servile), sincere, genuine, open, gracious; worthy" (12c.), from M.L. Franc "a freeman, a Frank" (see Frank). The connection is that only Franks, as the conquering class, had the status of freemen. Sense of "outspoken" first recorded in English 1540s. (Source)

freedom, condition of a freeman," from liber "free" (see liberal)

The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure it is right. [Learned Hand, 1944]

Nautical sense of "leave of absence" is from 1758. To take liberties "go beyond the bounds of propriety" is from 1620s. Sense of "privileges" led to sense of "a person's private land" (mid-15c.), which yielded sense in 18c. England and America of "a district within a county but having its own justice of the peace," and also "a district adjacent to a city and in some degree under its municipal jurisdiction" (e.g. Northern Liberties of Philadelphia). (Source)

LIBERAL late 14c., from O.Fr. liberal "befitting free men, noble, generous," from L. liberalis "noble, generous," lit. "pertaining to a free manSource)

Given the definitions above, you can see that a freeman was associated with the elite, nobility, the organic class and their posterity (sound familiar??), or the warrior/conquering class.
Their members were freemen. Everyone else was subject with a disability of one sort or another.

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Class? Enslavement starts in ones mind when one thinks in terms of living in boxes.

Freeman is one that is free to choose to contract or not contract, restrain himself or not restrain. It goes beyond just not being imprisoned or jailed.

Strong's Exhaustive concordance:
Liberty = Freedom

This is not 1540 or 1944, we live in 2011.

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That's some way of looking at things .

I'll have to chew on that.

What I was seeking to convey was that a person should engage in commerce through a corporation or trust and not as a sole proprietor.

Proprietor is awfully similar to the word propraetor ain't it? Propraetor pretty much means for (pro) the praetor. If a birth certificate is a corporate charter document then there is your corporation. William BLACKSTONE apparently regarded states to be corporations.

Latin, from prō praetōre one who acts for a praetor

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Class? Enslavement starts in ones mind when one thinks in terms of living in boxes.

Class. If you prefer, try the term ESTATE.
Start with Bouvier's Law Dictionary (1856) concerning the term ESTATE.

And you make a classical mistake concerning SERVITUDE.
Slavery is A form of SERVITUDE, not the form.
There are a wide variety of forms of servitude of which slavery is but one.

Freeman is one that is free to choose to contract or not contract, restrain himself or not restrain. It goes beyond just not being imprisoned or jailed.

And you miss the boat yet again.
The name of the game is SERVITUDE in ALL its forms both great and small.

Strong's Exhaustive concordance:
Liberty = Freedom

Another error.
Ask a seamen on shore leave if he has freedom or liberty and if the terms are synonymous.

This is not 1540 or 1944, we live in 2011.

It's your prerogative to remain in ignorance of the etymology of terms if you so chose.