Sky Serpents

[allodial]

For what its worth...

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Sky Serpents
The flying snakes that terrorised America!
Text: Jerome Clark / Images: Alex TomlinsonMore]

Related:

• Baptist Magazine and Literary Review (1841), Volume 33, Pages 143 and 144
• Hidden Realms, Lost Civilizations, and Beings from Other Worlds

[ag maniac]

For what its worth...

What's that in your tagline? --> "No value assured"

On a more serious note, I have no personal experiences w/ supernatural.....but do believe --> "There's more to life than meets the eye"

[walter]

NASA Photo: Huge Snake Creature In The Sky

http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2013/03/nasa-photo-huge-snake-creature-in-the-sky-2441412.html

[walter]

Sky Serpent UFO'S

2:35 he talks about the legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REf4yXL1LCE

[Michael Joseph]

Sky serpents in flight
Afternoon delight....

The dark eyed woman - rising - those who looked upon the Serpent that Moses RAISED up in the wilderness did not die!

Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Honor thy Mother - El Shaddai - Wisdom

H6096
aw-tseh'

From H6095; the spine (as giving firmness to the body): - back bone.

[allodial]

Sky rockets in flight... great song without reference to serpents.

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It might be worth noting that 'reptile' (per etymology) is a general term for a "low order" creeping animal and the idea that "snake" or "serpentine" could have a variety of meanings across language even meaning something that extends or flows in a line or leaving a trail.

[Michael Joseph]

Sky rockets in flight... great song without reference to serpents.

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It might be worth noting that 'reptile' (per etymology) is a general term for a "low order" creeping animal and the idea that "snake" or "serpentine" could have a variety of meanings across language even meaning something that extends or flows in a line or leaving a trail.

that of course would be the lower carnal meaning. The higher meaning of Serpent is Wisdom.

[allodial]

The dictionary meaning and etymology of 'reptile' is 'crawling/creeping' things and that is "carnal meaning"? A rope being described as 'serpentine' is 'carnal'? Etymology is carnal? Interesting.

On the note of etymology. It seems that the Hebrew language is remarkably different from Greek language in that words for very different things can be similar because its more an 'active' or concrete language. Or, at least the way words are thought out is to knowledge very different.



Consider the words "arc", "carriage", "cargo", "circle", "creek", "crack", "race" ..a Hebrew thought root might be along the lines of "it follows a defined path" ("arc"). Perhaps consider for a moment: "Nissan Pathfinder".) So seemingly unrelated things might have similar spellings: things burns when touched or that appear to be on fire or that glow glows as if they were on fire might have similar spelling--but might be rather unrelated beyond the base functional/active and concrete natures.


Seraphim might glows as if afire--things that are aflame tend to be burning or appear to be burning might have similar spellings. A serpent's venom if it gets in your eye or in your blood burns (excruciatingly so I've heard). It might be said that Hebrew words tend to be rather 'active' or 'action oriented'. A serpent's venom burns while Seraphim might appear to be 'burning' or 'aflame' though Seraphim aren't necessarily dragons or snakes. The word 'serpent' at its root is 'burning' or 'aflame'. The word often translated for Sun is in Hebrew similar to the word 'shimmer'...which is a lot like Summer.



For further edification: the word for shepherd is 'roeh' (resh - ayin - heh). Is not a racecar shepherded by its driver (droehver?) around the predefined path/track? You know like he-roe (like Superman or superhero). So if you follow a path, perhaps you shepherd your body. The Good Shepherd keeps those under his care away from dangers, away from snakes--i.e. keeps them on a defined path.

With arc, circle, etc. I allude to the Hebrew word orahh meaning a path followed by travelers. However, I also illustrates is relation to the word for shepherd and now the word for chauffered and chaperone. The 'hh' probably comes off as a hard 'c'. I suppose I can 'see across languages' when I read.

Someone might ask: "Can I borrow your 'it-is-guided'?" or "Can I borrow your I-shepherd-it?"


It seems rather clear that the Hebrew etymological sense of the word 'serpent' is more of a focus on the burn (you know like getting 'burned' from a bad deal) from the venom rather than being much of a fixation on its reptilian nature. Venom (whether it comes out flaming or not) is important for a serpent to be able to eat (In the movie Jurassic Park, raptors would blind their prey with their venom). Perhaps that gets to the heart of why people who make rotten, scandalous deals are called 'snakes' (i.e. the victims get burned by the venom (ideas, lies, tongue-stuff of the perpetrator). The perpetrator gets to 'eat' from the takings. However, some people figure it out before its too late. No doubt, such experiences can lead to wisdom. Who on Earth would ever suggest the the 'snake' or 'conman' to be author of any wisdom gained?

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Proverbs 1:7)

(Fear as in reverence.)

Re: Wisdom.
Could it be that wisdom comes from seeing that instead of living waters or life-giving waters flowing out of the Great Dragon's mouth out flows rivers of venom that blind and poison and bring about spiritual and/or physical death? Quite a contrast to rivers of living waters, no? Could it be that wisdom, rather than coming from the snake itself, might instead come from the experience or observations of the undesirable side effects of playing with snakes or other things that burn?

[Michael Joseph]

The dictionary meaning and etymology of 'reptile' is 'crawling/creeping' things and that is "carnal meaning"? A rope being described as 'serpentine' is 'carnal'? Etymology is carnal? Interesting.

On the note of etymology. The Hebrew language is remarkably different from Greek language in that words for very different things can be similar because its more an 'active' or concrete language. Or, at least the way words are thought out is to knowledge very different.

Consider the words "arc", "circle", "creek", "crack", "race" ..a Hebrew thought root might be along the lines of "it follows a defined path" ("arc"). So seemingly unrelated things might have similar spellings: things burns when touched or that appear to be on fire or that glow glows as if they were on fire might have similar spelling--but might be rather unrelated beyond the base functional/active and concrete natures. Seraphim might glows as if afire--things that are aflame tend to be burning or appear to be burning might have similar spellings. A serpent's venom if it gets in your eye or in your blood burns (excruciatingly so I've heard). Hebrew words tend to be rather 'active' or 'action oriented'. A serpent's venom burns while Seraphim might appear to be 'burning' or 'aflame' though Seraphim aren't necessarily dragons or snakes. The word 'serpent' at its root is 'burning' or 'aflame'. The word often translated for Sun is in Hebrew similar to the word 'shimmer'...which is a lot like Summer.

For further edification the word for shepherd is 'roeh' (resh - ayin - heh). Is not a racecar shepherded by its driver around the predefined path/track? You know like he-roe (like Superman or superhero). So if you follow a path, you shepherd your body. The Good Shepherd keeps those under his care away from dangers, away from snakes--i.e. keeps them on a defined path.

With arc, circle, etc. I allude to the Hebrew word orahh meaning a path followed by travellers. However, I also illustrates is relation to the word for shepherd and now the word for chauffered and chaperone. The 'hh' probably comes off as a hard 'c'. I suppose I can 'see across languages' when I read.

[The Hebrew etymological sense of serpent might be more of a focus you get burned by the (you know like from a making a bad deal) from the venom rather than being much of a fixation on its reptilian nature. Venom is important for a serpent to be able to eat. That's why people call people snakes (in reference to getting 'burned'/'serpented' who make rotten, scandalous deals).]

Re: Wisdom.
Could it be that wisdom comes from seeing that instead of living waters or life-giving waters flowing out of the Great Dragon's mouth out flows rivers of venom that blind and poison and bring about spiritual and/or physical death? Quite a contrast to rivers of living waters, no? Could it be that wisdom, rather than come from the snake itself, comes from the experience or observations of the nasty side effects of playing with snakes or other things that burn?

Let's go shoot the bull or chew the fat or that was pie in the sky. Look those terms up and get back to me. Let me know if you need a gun to go hunting.

Flood of waters out of Dragons mouth are lies - carnal thoughts or 1/2 truths - Jacob's spotted cattle. Another idiom.

Fire as it were in the lower minds of mankind must be quenched by messengers from the Higher Mind.

[xparte]

[allodial]

The dark eyed woman - rising - those who looked upon the Serpent that Moses RAISED up in the wilderness did not die!

Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
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that of course would be the lower carnal meaning. The higher meaning of Serpent is Wisdom.

In context: the people were murmuring and speaking ill of God and Moses. The serpents bit them in judgment for PUNISHMENT. The reason they were healed upon looking at the brazen serpent IS BECAUSE OF FAITH--has nothing to do with the serpent representing wisdom. The non-living serpent put to death on the pole would more likely represent something like putting carnal mind or carnality to death or in check rather than wisdom coming from the serpent. The serpent as wisdom is error. The serpent's venom led to death even in the Garden of Eden ... it led to death in the wilderness. What isn't super obvious that serpents' venom can cause death. Forbidden knowledge is perhaps forbidden because it can be poisonous?

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived. Numbers 21:6-9

1. LORD says do something.
2. Moses obeys and in faith does it.
3. Moses' faith and obedience has the desired effect.

Seems to me that they are all under Moses' trusteeship. It was ALWAYS FAITH from Abraham through to Jesus Christ. The faith of the high priest can be powerful even when others might lack it.

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. Acts 26:18 (Jesus)

It was Moses' faith or the faith of the onlooker who believed that looking at the brazen serpent would have that effect if they were told. ALWAYS FAITH. The serpents that bit them seem to have been used for JUDGEMENT/DAMNATION rather than wisdom. God in his providence showed that he had power of recall the judgment (left hand). That is what that arrangement was. If you read the whole story, you'll see it was all about faith from end to end. It was FAITH rather than gnosis that saved them! The Brazen serpent was inanimate..so in a sense a 'dead snake' rather than a live one.

For those who don't quite get the point:

1. God said or promised something to Noah.
2. Noah believed it, obeyed, had faith.
3. Noah and others were saved through Noah's faith.

Reiterating:
1. God said or promised something to Moses.
2. Moses believed it, obeyed, had faith.
3. Many were saved through Moses' faith.

Further:
Did gnosis or knowledge save Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden? Adam and Eve were told about tree of knowledge of good and evil and its side-effects. Did they beileve? Did they have faith in God? Did knowing/Gnosis save Adam and Eve or did it cause death of some kind? They knew right? The Serpent came with a lie contrary to God's promise, statement or warning. Who did they have faith in God or the Serpent? Serpent as wisdom is not found in the Bible. How can poison to your mind or soul or affairs be wisdom? While wisdom can be gleaned as an after effect playing with snakes, who in a sane mind can attribute wisdom to a snake, to snake venom or to a snakebite?

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. Proverbs 4:7

Behold , I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Luke 10:19

Behold, I give you power to tread on serpents and scorpions,.... Which may be literally understood, as in Mark 16:18, or figuratively of the devil, and his principalities and powers, and all his emissaries, who, for their craft and cunning, and for their poisonous and hurtful nature and influence, may be compared to serpents and scorpions.

...and nothing shall by any means hurt you. not the most hurtful and poisonous animals, nor the most malicious persecutors on earth, nor all the devils in hell: as the former venomous creatures, when took up in their hands, should not hurt, their bodies; so the other, whatever they might be permitted to do with respect to their lives, and outward estate, should never hurt their souls, and the eternal welfare of them; nor even hinder the work of God prospering in their hands (From Gill's commentaries)

If serpents and scorpions represent wisdom, of what use would be the power to tread or trample on wisdom?

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16:18

Hmm seems very, very familiar (see Numbers 21:6-9 above) for some reason.

Related commentaries re: serpents:

...shall be enabled to give, when such a proof may be serviceable to the cause of truth, this evidence of their being continually under the power and protection of God, and that all nature is subject to him.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for.

[Michael Joseph]

In context: the people were murmuring and speaking ill of God and Moses. The serpents bit them in judgment for PUNISHMENT. The reason they were healed upon looking at the brazen serpent IS BECAUSE OF FAITH--has nothing to do with the serpent representing wisdom. The non-living serpent put to death on the pole would more likely represent something like putting carnal mind or carnality to death or in check rather than wisdom coming from the serpent. The serpent as wisdom is error. The serpent's venom led to death even in the Garden of Eden ... it led to death in the wilderness. What isn't super obvious that serpents venom cause death. Forbidden knowledge is perhaps forbidden because it can be poisonous?



1. LORD says do something.
2. Moses obeys and in faith does it.
3. Moses' faith and obedience has the desired effect.

Seems to me that they are all under Moses' trusteeship. It was ALWAYS FAITH from Abraham through to Jesus Christ. The faith of the high priest can be powerful even when others might lack it.



It was Moses' faith or the faith of the onlooker who believed that looking at the brazen serpent would have that effect if they were told. ALWAYS FAITH. The Serpent was used for JUDGEMENT/DAMNATION not wisdom. God in his providence showed that he had power of recall the judgment (left hand). That is what that arrangement was. If you read the whole story, you'll see it was all about faith from end to end. It was faith rather than KNOWLEDGE or GNOSIS that saved them!

The Brazen serpent was inanimate..so in a sense a 'dead snake' rather than a live one.

For those who don't quite get the point:

1. God said or promised something to Noah.
2. Noah believed it, obeyed, had faith.
3. Noah and others were saved through Noah's faith.

Reiterating:
1. God said or promised something to Moses.
2. Moses believed it, obeyed, had faith.
3. Many were saved through Moses' faith.

Faith is only for the one who does not know.

[allodial]

Faith is only for the one who does not know.

If you fail to believe what you know or in what you are told then what good is it? If someone truthfully were to say that there is a blazing comet falling from the sky headed for your house and you laugh and mock them. All the knowing would do you little good (i.e. in that case the equation might be knowing + doubt + zero works/action resulting in death, loss or injury). If you were to look through a skylight and see this ball of fire drawing closer and closer, but you simply shrugged and laughed "Its an illusion. Its not real." All the knowing still would not save you.

Without faith in the subject matter, knowledge might be like dust (for a scientist, a gardener, a pilot, an engineer, a baker, etc.). In the Garden of Eden story, what was the serpent destined to feast on? Who was the serpent destined to be at enmity with? The seed of the woman (the "Isaacs").

Adam and Even *knew* about the consequences of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. They KNEW. Did knowing save them from the consequences?

Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. John 9:41

Perhaps serpent venom in the eyes or perhaps in the mind could cause blindness. Even Jesus in his mercy and compassion left a door open for the Pharisees. It takes humility sometimes to admit to blindness, error, insanity, not being as wise or intelligent as one might like to believe oneself to be--a humility that can be very much worth it in the end.

[Michael Joseph]

If you fail to believe what you know or in what you are told then what good is it? If someone truthfully were to say that there is a blazing comet falling from the sky headed for your house and you laugh and mock them. All the knowing would do you little good (i.e. in that case the equation might be knowing + doubt + zero works/action resulting in death, loss or injury). If you were to look through a skylight and see this ball of fire drawing closer and closer, but you simply shrugged and laughed "Its an illusion. Its not real." All the knowing still would not save you.

Without faith in the subject matter, knowledge might be like dust (for a scientist, a gardener, a pilot, an engineer, a baker, etc.). In the Garden of Eden story, what was the serpent destined to feast on? Who was the serpent destined to be at enmity with? The seed of the woman (the "Isaacs").

Adam and Even *knew* about the consequences of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. They KNEW. Did knowing save them from the consequences?



Perhaps serpent venom in the eyes or perhaps in the mind could cause blindness. Even Jesus in his mercy and compassion left a door open for the Pharisees. It takes humility sometimes to admit to blindness, error, insanity, not being as wise or intelligent as one might like to believe oneself to be--a humility that can be very much worth it in the end.

Those who know and do anyways are discoursed hereinafter:

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


The sensuous carnal nature [Ishmael] is always at war with the spiritual nature [Issac]. But if you must have an external serpent then so be it.

Regards,
MJ

[BLBereans]

Faith is only for the one who does not know.

Do you claim to know all there is to know? If not, you must still have faith, no?

Can anyone here claim to know enough as to discard faith? Please, make yourself known.