Sky Serpents

[allodial]

The sensuous carnal nature [Ishmael] is always at war with the spiritual nature [Issac]. But if you must have an external serpent then so be it.

Your affinity or need for serpents isn't mine. I'm unaware of 'must having' any serpents. Jesus wasn't equated with the serpent. Its the method by which faith was used for deliverance that would run a parallel. The precedent was set for that type of faith-activated intercession with the wilderness story. The point was not to equate Jesus with a serpent.

In the wilderness, they asked Moses to pray for them--they didn't pray themselves. (Related term: Intercession, mediation.)

Also in one thread that you put the Isaacs (the church) to death and yet now you say Isaac represents "the spiritual nature". Puzzling.

[Michael Joseph]

Your affinity or need for serpents isn't mine. I'm unaware of 'must having' any serpents. Jesus wasn't equated with the serpent. Its the method by which faith was used for deliverance that would run a parallel. The precedent was set for that type of faith-activated intercession with the wilderness story. The point was not to equate Jesus with a serpent.

In the wilderness, they asked Moses to pray for them--they didn't pray themselves. (Related term: Intercession, mediation.)

Also in one thread that you put the Isaacs (the church) to death and yet now you say Isaac represents "the spiritual nature". Puzzling.

Yes Isaac was birthed not in the flesh but I was willing to put to death my religion and it was restored unto me with understanding.

Mostly I hear from religionists goes a bit like this: ribbit, ribbit

I am sorry it puzzles you. Thank you for caring about me.


Shalom
MJ

[BLBereans]

"The Higher meaning of Serpent is Wisdom"

From the writings of Annie Besant...



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[allodial]

Lucifer to knowledge was the name or title given to a Babylonian king or perhaps to a king of Tyre. It has been suggested that thematically Babylonian kings and/or the king of Tyre were alluded in texts that are said to refer to Lucifer or Satan. It is said that back in the days of Jericho and Joshua, systems of "god kings" where imposed in some areas such that these "god kings" would hold themselves out in place of God and aiming to rule over people in that way--even making up their own religion or history to go along with. From what I gather, Lucifer or one or more kings of Babylon or Tyre attempted to usurp a position. If someone attempts to take on a position of authority that they aren't ready and their taking that position could have disastrous effects, then a higher authority might set out to thwart such. Jericho had a meaning like "temple of the moon". The kings in those days were actually holding themselves out to BE GOD rather than point to God. You can get an idea of their doctrine from the way Nebuchadnezzar acted, he wanted them to BOW DOWN TO HIM. Rather than the king pointing to God or pointing to Christ, the king thought himself to be all in all. It might be best to see the Morning Star as like an "office".

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:4-5

Adam was also in the Garden. So was Eve. So was the serpent. The serpent suggested that they "shall be as gods" should they eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. And interestingly enough the King of Tyre claiming to be God. Did the king of Tyre maybe eat some fruit from the same tree?

It doesn't seem that the brazen serpent was a type of Jesus. It was made by Moses. It was crafted out of bronze/brass. The whole matter demonstrated priestly intervention and faith as a means of salvation. Remember, the Israelites had spent time in Egypt and just maybe were influenced by idol worship so perhaps God was aiming to work with them out of mercy. They didn't pray to God --Moses prayed and Moses responded with faith.


Even if the Golden Calf symbolized something, worshiping the symbol wasn't the point was it? I got the impression of a type of probation period being in effect. People busily exalting and profiting from legalism miss that point!

From analysis, in the book of Joshua, Jericho seemed more like the embodiment of a religious system. I just don't get why people try to flake everything out into mere symbolism. Shall we simply say the beheadings in the Middle East are merely symbolic--that they aren't really cutting people's heads off? But instead saying "That it represents the higher mind being free of the lower natures?" Seriously? Shall we pretend that real world child sacrifice and child trafficking is all some 'Gnostic allegory' to ponder but that its not really, really babies being burned alive or murdered ritually among other things? Was the brown-skinned male who got hung from a tree for saying hello to a pale-skinned female back in the 50s that hanging on a tree just an allegory--it didn't' really happen its just "symbolic": "Nah it didn't really happen its just symbolic of the 'carnal natures' being raised from the mundane with the intervention and assistance of 2nd and 3rd day pre-carnal creations and Natures which help bring his foundations to a higher plane giving them wings (symbolized by swaying feet) so that he may travel loftier paths." Umm...seriously?


The story of Joshua & co. taking Jericho seems to be more about putting a type of religious system to an end. God wasn't being mean. He afforded approximately five hundred years of patience and mercy. He was putting an end to terrible tyranny: slaughter of innocents and filthy, vile and nasty things men did because they set out to exalt themselves above all else and hold themselves out as God all in all and in there excuses themselves from restraint on doing things that were terrible. Blocking the exits and ensaring captives so that they could fill their bellies with souls? Such self-ordained "god kings" may have been casting shadows, causing blockages where they ought not? Maybe God was seeking to put an end to such depravity?

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? Ezekiel 33:11

All of the apologists for darkness and vileness seem to fail to point this: that God doesn't take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked. Vlad the Impaler took pleasure in what he did according to the record. These serpents aren't symbolic of wisdom, they are archetypes of those who have some engrossed in the carnal and who have shut off God while claiming to be gods and who embark upon embracing the vilest of depravities while holding themselves to be a law unto themselves. From observation, some of the modern day two-legged dragons take pleasure in what they do too. They try to make God to be a "bad guy" while aiming to conceal what they really are up do when they suspect no one else is looking. I'm not talking about things done consensually, but the injurious things they do to innocents and to the righteous. My observation has been that they grow bored in their own company and so seek victims to ensnare.

I have met a few Theosophists and, sadly, with such encounters such came undeniable proof that two-legged serpents really do exist--the hatred for God, the disdain for purity and innocence, the terrible things they did to children all because they exalted themselves to status of supreme being in their own heads--add in a sense of entitlement from "Racial Supremacy" or the like and I had never encountered such who could be so befitting of being referred to as "depraved monsters" (even their own family members swayed in terror by them).

Advocates are members of the Faculty of Advocates and have status akin to that of Barristers in England & Wales. The Faculty of Advocates was founded in 1532 as an independent body of lawyers. They have usually been solicitors in private practice or in public office prior to calling to the Scottish Bar.

The period of training an Advocate undertakes is called 'Deviling". This is a period of at least 9 months where the Advocate in training (Devil) attends formal training seminars, shadows practising members of Faculty and is required to pass numerous Faculty exams in order to be deemed fit to call as an Advocate.

Two hands of God were referred to in the NT: the left and the right. Relevantly, the person holding the office of a County Prosecutor might outside of his workplace be your best friend. But once he dons the mask of the office of Prosecutor or Judge Advocate, might not be so friendly? That role he plays might have its place. But if that same prosecutor decides to become a law unto himself and make his own rules while ignoring higher authorities--well consider Nebuchadnezzar aiming to get the three boys to worship him and failing that to burn them alive. Oh but "nooooooooooooooooo--that doesn't happen", "no one ever does that"--"its only symbolic".

Just as examples: As for the roles of Adversary, Prosecutor or Devil and those who embody such roles, how can anyone change the purpose and intent of the office into something else? Even the modern day prosecutor doesn't write books on how to stay out of jail, he is aiming to profit from putting folks in jail or from collecting revenue.

Per Ephesians chapters 1 and 2 Jesus and the saints are seated at the right hand. From scriptures, one might infer the Tree of Life to be at the right hand of God. If so, then where might the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil be? If you have a garden full of plants and one causes death to eat thereof: can it be anything other than poisonous?

From what I recall, certain of the "Native Americans" had a notion of good and evil coming from separate emanations or branches of creation.

On the extreme, the serpent aimed to feast on its prey. The underlying theme seems to be about kings who would go so far as to believe themselves to be God all in all and through and through to the extent of great tyranny (reminiscent of King of Tyre, no?) and injury even to the saints (Nebuchadnezzar tried to burn three of them. Only symbolic? Tell that to the Syrians who won't worship Bashar Hafez al-Assad).

P.S. The Hebrew word (Nahesh) translated to serpent in Genesis sounds a lot like Nagas. The term "Nagas" is suggested to have been used as a title used for KINGS or SERPENT KINGS.

P.S. #2 The Hebrew word translated 'dust' in Genesis might also be translated as 'rubbish'.

[george]

seems similar to other hearsay Ive encountered about the fish falling from the sky. (also FWIW LOL)

related to that story is the Tiamat collision theory, suspended animation of lifeforms (frozen) in something like an asteroid belt or comet trail and when it nears earths atmosphere, the frozen life forms re-animate while falling from the sky.


there is large granite formations that have natural bowl shaped indention's scattered on the surfaces that form small ponds during extended rainy seasons but remain dry for years at a time until then.

I have first hand knowledge of this phenom. with no water source other than excessive rain, small fish appear in these spots of water later in the wet/warm season from seemingly no where!

Ive seen this only twice in my lifetime when the conditions were perfect for it to happen. its quite incredible. I dont think they fall from the sky but it may be from dried eggs or something similar that stays as residue when the water all evaporates.

these places go for years without enough rain to form the small ponds, then if we get excessive spring and summer rainfall amounts. the small fish are back!

Im sure I could make an explanation for this phenom using only the bible if I had a good enough reason too ;-)

[stoneFree]

The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

- Matthew 10:24

[Michael Joseph]

Yes Isaac was birthed not in the flesh but I was willing to put to death my religion and it was restored unto me with understanding.

Mostly I hear from religionists goes a bit like this: ribbit, ribbit

I am sorry it puzzles you. Thank you for caring about me.


Shalom
MJ

Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

[allodial]

Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

...for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

An exhortation to being shrewd/cunning in a dangerous circumstance. Doesn't make serpents any special source of wisdom. Its like saying "you know how those two-legged snakes are when it comes to being mindful of their own interests or objectives...in this dangerous setting be shrewd and mindful as they are but yet be harmless as doves because they will set out to turn any and everything against you."

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Wisdom and light are shed forth on both the just and the unjust.

[Michael Joseph]

An exhortation to being shrewd/cunning in a dangerous circumstance. Doesn't make serpents any special source of wisdom. Its like saying "you know how those two-legged snakes are when it comes to being mindful of their own interests or objectives...in this dangerous setting be shrewd and mindful as they are but yet be harmless as doves because they will set out to turn any and everything against you."

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Wisdom and light are shed forth on both the just and the unjust.

Exactly an allegory as it were. This is why i condemn religion. It is tribal in its nature. Wars are fought and are being fought over whose war God is right. it is a grave sickness. Reference The Secret book of James. Jesus talking.

In absurdity of literalism- the talking snake said to Eve "hey Eve baby wanna get it on"?

Shalom
MJ