Indiana Supreme Court Nullifies 4th Amendment in Favor of Public Policy :

[Trust Guy]

Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

INDIANAPOLIS | Overturning a common law dating back to the English Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Hoosiers have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes.

In a 3-2 decision, Justice Steven David writing for the court said if a police officer wants to enter a home for any reason or no reason at all, a homeowner cannot do anything to block the officer's entry.

"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."

David said a person arrested following an unlawful entry by police still can be released on bail and has plenty of opportunities to protest the illegal entry through the court system.

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_ec169697-a19e-525f-a532-81b3df229697.html

[motla68]

Until people realise that Lincoln's Army is still here and even expanded beyond the borders and the rules of warfare on land still are applicable the beatings will continue.

[Trust Guy]

http://webmail2.centurytel.net/hwebm...in.us%2FmvwQFd

"How The U.S. Became Ensnared Through The Lieber Code In 1863"

Here's a very good summary of the overarching circumstances...
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This is pretty much a summary of Rod Class' Tues 5.10.11 call...
(Recording...http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-48361/TS-487602.mp3

[motla68]

Trust Guy, I know you got a lot of research here that you have spent some time on, you have free will to your opinion, but to me half of it is the same patriot banters I hear throughout most of them patriot groups,,, i.e. " that big evil plaguing the system and non of it is our fault, it is all someone else's fault ". To explain my point here -->>

Some of us are actually asking pertinent questions from government and getting some answers, rather then go to some guru and pay hundreds of dollars for something that turns out is only theory. I am actually really amazed that all this has not thrown up red flags with David and he jump on you like green on peas, when I did put theory on here it must have just been special prized time or something.

We were never a part of what they created, We The People is not us, see this clip from a doc:


I received a document yesterday too ironically and it puts it as " Vital events ", says nothing about the registration of a child. When the parents name the baby it is just a surveyed event, just like military surveys everything else i.e. " high water marks " it surveys other events as well.
I had a friend ask the DMV if they had claim or interest in the vehicle in my possession and this was their reply:


Yep, just another survey held in trust.

So you seen here, the Public Trust is not us either, it is the Treasury being protected a Cesti Que Vie Trust. Here it shows where they have accepted liability for it, one estate at a time, them who have a compact with eachother:



"No private person has a right to complain by suit in court on the ground of a breach of the United States constitution; for, though the constitution is a compact, he is not a party to it." Padelford, Fay & Co. v. The Mayor, City of Savanna, 14 Ga 438.

A man has a right to stay out of their business or interfere with it, he will either be viewed as a peaceful inhabitant or a enemy combatant, those with the banks, it is your choice.


The word "person" in legal terminology normally includes in its scope a variety of entities other than man. See e.g. 1 U.S.C. sec 1. ; Church of Scientology v. U.S. Dept. of Justice (1979) 612 F.2d 417, 425.


Nobody really owns nothing, not you or government or any concoction of trust, it is just held in trust.

" the earth is held in usufruct for the living "
- Thomas Jefferson

See page 2:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BxLUZd1PWAf2MGMwMzljOTQtZGZiZC00MGVkLWFiYmEtZTAyZDVkYWU3NzYw&hl=en&authkey=CMfv6uQO

Are you truly living for the creator of the universe or are you living for you?

[David Merrill]

Some of us are actually asking pertinent questions from government and getting some answers, rather then go to some guru and pay hundreds of dollars for something that turns out is only theory.

my theories. What concerns me is that you demonstrate faith in your distorted projections.

The dots you write of though, they are useful.

I have no issue with Trust Guy, because I, like you read his posts in context of what I know to be true. I project my research and experience upon his posts too. My issue is with your distortions, what you read into his posts. - Mostly that you think I should be all over him for his teaching here when if you would have been honest in your assertions and explanations and if you would have been transparent about your esoterics evolving upon Coresource Solutions, we would have never had any issue to begin with Motla68.

By way of contribution to Trust Guy's additions to our knowledge base, listen closely. [Audio snippet Rule 803 - at the end. - The state district court is enumerated exactly the same as Rules for Courts Martial.]

The reason people will not pay you Motla68 is that you are amplifying useless parts of history - like I said; unconnected dots.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[Trust Guy]

motla,

I dropped Miss. Jeanette’s missive here as another's point of view on the Liber Code ( Lincoln’s Army ), without particular recommendation or endorsement. If David finds it inappropriate, I will be happy to remove the post and be grateful for the remonstrance. I am new to this particular group, after all. Learning parameters.

I find the AIB crew interesting for several reasons. Somewhat unique among all the “Patriot” groups and individuals I have studied / studied with, over these many years. Both those who charge for their “education” and those very few who do not. AIB is among the latter.

The scope and range of their inquires is the widest of any single source I am aware of. As a group, they are chewing on a lot of issues. Stringing a lot together and discarding quite a bit along the way. Still presenting certain misconceptions here and there, from my particular standpoint. Hopefully the Red Herrings will be sorted out and exposed. Such seems to be the organic nature of continuing AIB development.

As example : Statements concerning DUNS listing of various County Agencies and Offices as evidence of Private Incorporation, and extrapolating that to state such “Corporations” as being traded on Wall Street is / was erroneous. I put together some information for them in these regards and expect that “Patriot Myth” was put to rest, as far as AIB is concerned.

However, the DUNS record evidences these Agencies and Offices as receiving Federal Funds, which adds credence to the position these same have placed themselves under Federal Rule paramount. Such action abrogated their Fiduciary responsibility to the County body politic. A Breach of Trust in my eyes, “Liber Code” not withstanding.

Rod’s position on “Admiralty” flags and courts is another area where I feel he could use a lot more insight.

I have found they will generally admit to correction with new information. As individuals, they each have personal areas of interest / agendas / beliefs. Don’t we all.

They are doing in the court system. Right, wrong or indifferent, they are perusing their findings and legal theories in court in order to establish a record, open for others to learn from. Carl’s work in foreclosure, mortgage, title fraud ( Holder in Due Course ) is an example.

I will claim credit for bringing the concept of “Government in Trust” to their attention. As we know, “Trusts” are a pretty nebulous area, easy to misconstrue without study in depth. Even at that, few can rightfully claim expertise, myself included.

>“We The People is not us”.< Correct. I am a member of the Posterity, not one of “The People”. My claim as Beneficiary attaches within the boundaries of an individual (E)State in Union.

On birthing records. As I understand the contention, the Social Security Number attached to a living child is where Securitization comes in.

On DMV claims against individual vehicles. DMV has no right to require surrendering of original Title Documents / Manufacturers Certificate of Origin. However they do so and issue a Certificate of Title. I contend this constitutes Conversion and Taking of Private Property for another use. Our experience in California, making the above charges, resulted in DMV taking a car and pickup VINs out of the computer system. This may not support the contention, but that was the end result ,without suit for Quiet Title.

I submit there is a bit more to the “Public Trust” than the Treasury. On the National level, a lot of Sovereign Power ( Inheritable Intangible Personal Property / Title ) was granted / delegated to the governing body, to be used in benefit of the (E)States. Any claim of absolute power in these regards is pure arrogation.

"It is only by considering the granted powers, in their true character of trust or delegated powers, that all the various parts of our complicated system of government can be harmonized and explained".
- John C. Calhoun, ( 7th Vice President of the United States ) A Discourse on the Constitution and Government of the United States - ( 1851 posthumous )

Your other points are accepted.

As always, I will stand corrected. All the Best, TG

[Trust Guy]

Good Evening David,

Thank You for the Rule 803 clip. Most interesting point.

Let me ponder for a time and see what I may contribute regarding the Lieber Code . Lots of notes to go through. Perhaps a thread on the subject would be in order. “Public Policy” is a big problem for all of us. Military Rule certainly seems to be the order of the day. Rod has a pretty convincing argument, all in all.

Allow me to otherwise bow out of this dynamic. I’m not a particularly contentious individual, excepting when dealing with “Authority”.

Be Well, TG

[Michael Joseph]

this AIB call is a lot of hot air from a lot of hot heads who are in FACT doing exactly what the military called enemy combatants. Lets get em - is the call to action.

I mean how freakin' stupid - the estate is in Trust. and how silly would I be to trust in another man. Lets all get behind a leader and follow - HorseCRAP. Study to show THYSELF approved.

Admiralty flag is absolute HorseCRAP. that is Naval War Flag - Navy as Trustee. Naval officer is highest ranking officer at time of war.

Your dime, you listen to this stuff if you want - as for me - what a waste of time.

shalom,
michael joseph

P.S. Lets all study so we can get even. Cause you know its US versus THEM. Look in the mirror if you want to see THEM!

Turn up the speakers as loud as you possible can and listen to this one - The Grudge

The collective Judas puts Yehoshuah on the cross time and time and time again. How many times is enough? I am redeemed I am Son and Heir and Friend to the Ever Living - Who Shall lay any charge upon God's Election? I trust in Yehoshuah. The public estate is in the Military, as Trustee and said estate would not exist except that Yehovah allows it to exist. Yehoshauah became my passover. I am Redeemed.

as peaceful inhabitant trusting in Yehoshuah, my Redeemer

Eden has enough to go around....

Black and White are all I see in my Infancy

I hope you enjoyed this musical interlude. Now back to the regular scheduled programming.

[David Merrill]

Without looking into it thoroughly, I admit; what I see is a judge giving any uniformed officer the benefit of the doubt, that he entered a household under proper exigent circumstances. The article is slanted toward the policeman entering the home illegally.

Admiralty flag is absolute HorseCRAP. that is Naval War Flag - Navy as Trustee. Naval officer is highest ranking officer at time of war.

That is another example of an unconnected dot MJ. If you mean the gold fringe, that is a decoration for indoor flags.

I think it best to reconcile with the truth about the Post Office being turned over to the Navy during the short emergency under the Nixon Administration. Then the Post Office was quickly turned over to the Postal Service when the emergency was over.

I believe you are all three building upon each other and all upon a distortion of the case in the opening post.


Regards,

David Merrill.



P.S. I apologize that I only copied the one page but I was reading the Report for other reasons than the Postal Emergency at the time.

[David Merrill]

I should apologize to the readers who may not be following. The vast majority of the emergency statutes based in the post-1861 'extraordinary occasion' were lifted.

[Michael Joseph]

Without looking into it thoroughly, I admit; what I see is a judge giving any uniformed officer the benefit of the doubt, that he entered a household under proper exigent circumstances. The article is slanted toward the policeman entering the home illegally.


That is another example of an unconnected dot MJ. If you mean the gold fringe, that is a decoration for indoor flags.

Okay I will accept that. I guess my position without going into much elaboration is that if one is endorsing the Federal Reserve System one is showing himself to be in conflict or enemy of the United States. This AIB call just irked me for my own personal reasons. I do not like it when 1/2 truths are parceled out to a congregation trusting in the head talker.

Banking is open to everyone! If you want you can learn to make HUGE gains from the FRS. But then you will be regulated and you may need to register your bank and maybe even do some other things I am unaware of; yet, you could remain without FR Banking via 12USC411.

I think that the proposition that Motla68 and I am making is that perhaps money is not necessary at all. But you will not see me on my soapbox boasting that money is not needed unless I can prove it. With direct experience. And when i get to that point, more than likely i will not share with the masses at large because the Scripture states if a man be ignorant, then let him be ignorant. Study to show Thyself Approved.

By the way, does anybody have a letter I can use to send to the Military! ROFLMAO.....exactly.

Point well taken - i accept your chastisement.

shabbat shalom,
mj

[Michael Joseph]

I should apologize to the readers who may not be following. The vast majority of the emergency statutes based in the post-1861 'extraordinary occasion' were lifted.

I think there exists a war on terror; a war on drugs; a war on... [insert topic].

[motla68]

The reason people will not pay you Motla68 is that you are amplifying useless parts of history - like I said; unconnected dots.

I am not going to address the other stuff and go those rounds with you again, but where is your bona fide proof of claim that I ever asked anyone to pay me?

[David Merrill]

Dear Admin;


My compliments! This form and format is quite complimentary to collecting quotes and making a coherent point in the thread. Thank you.

Until people realise that Lincoln's Army is still here and even expanded beyond the borders and the rules of warfare on land still are applicable the beatings will continue.

You tried that - remember? Shall I go back and find the thread?

Okay I will accept that. I guess my position without going into much elaboration is that if one is endorsing the Federal Reserve System one is showing himself to be in conflict or enemy of the United States. This AIB call just irked me for my own personal reasons. I do not like it when 1/2 truths are parceled out to a congregation trusting in the head talker.

Banking is open to everyone! If you want you can learn to make HUGE gains from the FRS. But then you will be regulated and you may need to register your bank and maybe even do some other things I am unaware of; yet, you could remain without FR Banking via 12USC411.

I think that the proposition that Motla68 and I am making is that perhaps money is not necessary at all. But you will not see me on my soapbox boasting that money is not needed unless I can prove it. With direct experience. And when i get to that point, more than likely i will not share with the masses at large because the Scripture states if a man be ignorant, then let him be ignorant. Study to show Thyself Approved.

By the way, does anybody have a letter I can use to send to the Military! ROFLMAO.....exactly.

Point well taken - i accept your chastisement.

shabbat shalom,
mj

You would seem agreeable with remedy. I become wary when somebody tries to tell me - while that is cited predominantly on the face of the R4C.

I got a message from a new member because they were afraid to confront your religious views. You impregnated confrontation with "numbskull". That tells me that you are unsure yourself - if you have to pre-insult anybody who does not share your views Michael Joseph. - That anybody who disagrees is already a numbskull...

But then I would not really know since I stopped reading what you had to say at that sentence. I just told the new member to post and enjoy it here like others. The only reason Motla68 was banished for a short spell was that he tried to hide the remedy. People can be arrogant - like you are - and pretend they have the proper interpretation and context of Scripture; that if we cannot read your mind and improve ourselves without you expressly teaching (which has drawn many complaints against Motla by the way) then we can flap about in the manure of our own ignorance. The Bible says we deserve so much, right?

Quit coming off so high-horsed as to speak down to us Michael Joseph, and start giving us examples, images and support any claims with links, current events, source documentation and soforth.

We have a new Downloads Area. Check it out!

I am not going to address the other stuff and go those rounds with you again, but where is your bona fide proof of claim that I ever asked anyone to pay me?

[David Merrill]

All in all; directly on topic I agree;

If I came across a policeman in my home, I would not have the same Make My Day rights against him as I would have against a civilian-type of intruder. The policeman is engaged in a certain trust backed by a fungible fidelity bond - his oath of office. In civilized society, I can be presumed to have already accepted the officer's oath of office for value - the trust. Therefore if my demands for an Affidavit of Probable Cause or an indictment/search warrant are not properly answered, then I can bill the municipal state for recourse.

I suppose that I should apologize because I react in such a way to hyperbole and sensationalizing all that - by saying that the court is protecting an officer's right to intrude illegally. I see it as protecting police officers. A police officer can enter a home under exigent circumstances - that must be explained on the Affidavit of Probable Cause.


Regards,

David Merrill.



P.S. That was a fascinating thread by the way - http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ull=1#post1687

It really does get into the heart of the matter of removing one's self (person) from the theater of war.