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If God needs to be put on paper then re-legion is mens rea for the re - venue of God. God is no re species actor of persons thats my journal for that speculative fiction, temple was destroyed God was,nt The Christ over turned the tables in that temple the temple cant overturn that truth rebuilding for a messianic miracle pagans they burnt down a gambling house the messianic truth Christ was the message that's no miracle if u get the message you lose the sickness .
From analysis and research, it was Nimrod (aka Gilgamesh) and his associates who were adepts at devising systems for capturing and binding men to their political structures using deception and "religion", etc. It is suggested that they held themselves out as divine god-kings and were tyrants who devised complex 'religions' to help justify their rule, abuses and systems and that such was and is their "craft" or "the Craft". Get it? Nimrod as a hunter...perhaps even a hunter or snarer of men willing to reduce men to chattel if ever it suited Nimrod's interests--hunter/manhunter. I imagine it might have been rather easy for Nimrod/Gilgamesh to build cities when he could populate them through kidnapping and slavery, eh?
Nimrod as a mighty hunter founded a powerful kingdom; and the founding of this kingdom is shown by the verb with vav consecutive, to have been the consequence or result of his strength in hunting, so that hunting was intimately connected with the establishing of the kingdom. Hence, if the expression "a mighty hunter" relates primarily to hunting in the literal sense, we must add to the literal meaning the figurative signification of a "hunter of men" (a trapper of men by stratagem and force); Nimrod the hunter became a tyrant, a powerful hunter of men... -Source: Commentaries On the Old Testament (by C.F.Keil and F. Delitzsch) translated from German
It is also suggested that Nimrod set and his co-horts set themselves up to be gods over men but while in active rebellion against the Godhead.
Its worth noting that Gilgamesh accompanied by a half man half beast type creature set off to the mountain of God to kill "Huwawah" (or is it "Yuwawah"?). If Gilgamesh = Nimrod (Rebel) then the stories of Gilgamesh would tend to point at Nimrod being an "antichrist" (against the Annointed/Annointing) type who was out to kill God, and, if not God, his people.
Attalus III had little interest in ruling Pergamon, devoting his time to studying medicine, botany, gardening, and other pursuits. He had no male children or heirs of his own, and in his will he left the kingdom to the Roman Republic.
The link between Nimrod and Rome might have a lot to do with what happened to the Chaldean priesthood (the same ones who Daniel would have been familiar with) post Belshazzar: it is suggested that they found refuge at Pergamos/Pergamum (Western turkey, Asia Minor) and set up camp there. What links with Rome and Asia Minor might be obviated thusly: Attalus III bequeathed his dominions to the Romans. Being that Attalus III had no heirs the Chaldean priesthood had to wait for a successor which would be Julius Caesar (born 100BC). Could it be the account of Jesus' "40 days in the wilderness" serves as a record Jesus' rejection of an offer of kingship under the Chaldean priesthood?
In the book Passover & Sukkot (pp. 368, 369) by Thomas H. Perdue, it is explained how Julius Caesar became successor to the Babylonian/Chaldean priesthood and heir to the titles held by Attalus III (i.e. "Supreme Pontiff of the Babylonian Order"). In Revelations the seat of Satan is held to have been at Pergamum/Pergamos. It is suggested by the author or others that the "seat of Satan" (or at least control of it then) was transferred to the control of Rome or the Romans in 133 BCE with kings of Pergamum up to that point taking the place of Belshazzar (as in successors) in the view of the Chaldean/Babylonian priesthood at Pergamum.
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I suppose it depends on what one means by "religion".
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Nonetheless, the eloquent point is in that one of the fascinating things about the article that is the centerpiece of this thread is that the article shows how much "religion" has served to obfuscate the truth about 70 AD.
Mar_10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
Chief Priests = Religion
Scribes = Teachers of Religion
Gentiles = thoughts of carnal mind
Arguing over religion is the death of Christ. Emotional Intellectualism is in the WEST - where Ephraim camps. I don't care one bit for history or literalism, that does not help me in the least bit! That in my opinion is choosing Death over Life. Life is in the Spirit.
So Religion is a grave sickness that some cling to like a Linus Blanket! Once an heir appears those steeped in religion will immediately seek to kill the joy he has found with their institutionalized religion. The little foxes spoil the vine.
I sure am glad that I don't need any of that ilk. And this offends religionists. Once The Way is known, the taught ones are no longer in need of instruction! There is no longer a ten percent tithe in money! For the taught ones know the ten percent is a tithe of their own vain reasonings. If the people ever get taught, the religionists are out of a job!
For then, behold we would ALL be a Kingdom of Priests. Whereof are states required? Whereof are religions required? Yet this threatens the ego and power and wealth. Therefore, the scribes cling to what THEY THINK they know - and therefore these deliver Christ to their lower mind to put Christ to death at the place of the SKULL. Which is to say CALVARY - Cranium.
I did not say these are who put Jesus to death- these kill Christ. They say "come He is the heir, let us kill him and the estate shall be ours." Our religion will have the corner on the market!
Nevertheless is one is filled with Christ and gains a political following - then that one become dangerous to the religious establishments - and therefore, that one is dangerous to the Control program. Therefore eventually the holy rollers will think to kill the man as well - Religion is grand - isn't it? What a sad joke!
Religion is a gross darkness. By that I mean traditions, history, and intellectualism - these are all vanity. And there is no fruit to be had from these.
There is an accuser in my house - my carnal mind - which tells me that with the knowledge that I have come to possess, I could stake a claim in God and come to rule over many. Some call this Satan or the Devil - which in my opinion is mere weakness. It allows them to point the finger at another so that they don't have to take personal liability for themselves. Fact is, I overcome those weaknesses in Christ thru the Abraham/Sarah aspect of myself. God is with me - I AM.
Therefore, I do not count it robbery to say that I am equal with God for in those moments the Father and I are one! Amen.
From analysis and research, it was Nimrod (aka Gilgamesh) and his associates who were adepts at devising systems for capturing and binding men to their political structures using deception and "religion", etc. It is suggested that they held themselves out as divine god-kings and were tyrants who devised complex 'religions' to help justify their rule, abuses and systems and that such was and is their "craft" or "the Craft". Get it? Nimrod as a hunter...perhaps even a hunter or snarer of men willing to reduce men to chattel if ever it suited Nimrod's interests--hunter/manhunter. I imagine it might have been rather easy for Nimrod/Gilgamesh to build cities when he could populate them through kidnapping and slavery, eh?
It is also suggested that Nimrod set and his co-horts set themselves up to be gods over men but while in active rebellion against the Godhead.
Its worth noting that Gilgamesh accompanied by a half man half beast type creature set off to the mountain of God to kill "Huwawah" (or is it "Yuwawah"?). If Gilgamesh = Nimrod (Rebel) then the stories of Gilgamesh would tend to point at Nimrod being an "antichrist" (against the Annointed/Annointing) type who was out to kill God, and, if not God, his people.
The link between Nimrod and Rome might have a lot to do with what happened to the Chaldean priesthood (the same ones who Daniel would have been familiar with) post Belshazzar: it is suggested that they found refuge at Pergamos/Pergamum (Western turkey, Asia Minor) and set up camp there. What links with Rome and Asia Minor might be obviated thusly: Attalus III bequeathed his dominions to the Romans. Being that Attalus III had no heirs the Chaldean priesthood had to wait for a successor which would be Julius Caesar (born 100BC). Could it be the account of Jesus' "40 days in the wilderness" serves as a record Jesus' rejection of an offer of kingship under the Chaldean priesthood?
In the book Passover & Sukkot (pp. 368, 369) by Thomas H. Perdue, it is explained how Julius Caesar became successor to the Babylonian/Chaldean priesthood and heir to the titles held by Attalus III (i.e. "Supreme Pontiff of the Babylonian Order"). In Revelations the seat of Satan is held to have been at Pergamum/Pergamos. It is suggested that the Seat of Satan then was transferred to Rome in 133 BCE with kings of Pergamum up to that point taking the place of Belshazzar for the Chaldean/Babylonian priesthood at Pergamum.
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I suppose it depends on what one means by "religion".
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Nonetheless, the eloquent point is in that one of the fascinating things about the article that is the centerpiece of this thread is that the article shows how much "religion" has served to obfuscate the truth about 70 AD.
How does some city being destroyed in 70 AD help me in the least bit today? When I began to understand that Nimrod/Herod are aspects of my lower carnal mind then i began to see. Herod will ALWAYS seek to imprison John [who is also an aspect of me]. Why? Because the spiritual impulse will always be arrested by the carnal mind that wants what it wants. And when the desires become too great - Herod will always cut off the head of John so that his, I mean MY, way can be accomplished.
I mean who wants to live with a guilty conscience?
Otherwise who gives a rats ass about some crusty dude who lives in a cave near the river wearing camels hair, eating locusts and honey? Yep, no allegory there! Must have happened! Please, spare me.
A camel can carry water [truth of God] within its own body thru a wasteland or desert [this carnal life]. Whilst others are dying of thirst [allegorically the truth of God] the camel has enough truth [wise virgins] to sustain.
A locust is a devourer of the field - strips it bare. John devours the devourer. Therefore the John aspect of me, my Higher Mind is not ruled by the carnal aspect of me.
I mean c'mon even if there was a Herod and a John - why do I care even in the least bit? What so that I might be justified in my intellect. Look at me, I'm the great man - I have the great brain - Who cares! What are we gonna do today Brain, we're taking over the world!
c.1200, "state of life bound by monastic vows," also "conduct indicating a belief in a divine power," from Anglo-French religiun (11c.), Old French religion "piety, devotion; religious community," and directly from Latin religionem (nominative religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods; conscientiousness, sense of right, moral obligation; fear of the gods; divine service, religious observance; a religion, a faith, a mode of worship, cult; sanctity, holiness," in Late Latin "monastic life" (5c.).
According to Cicero derived from relegere "go through again" (in reading or in thought), from re- "again" (see re-) + legere "read" (see lecture (n.)). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (Servius, Lactantius, Augustine) and the interpretation of many modern writers connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." In that case, the re- would be intensive. Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens. In English, meaning "particular system of faith" is recorded from c.1300; sense of "recognition of and allegiance in manner of life (perceived as justly due) to a higher, unseen power or powers" is from 1530s.
To hold, therefore, that there is no difference in matters of religion between forms that are unlike each other, and even contrary to each other, most clearly leads in the end to the rejection of all religion in both theory and practice. And this is the same thing as atheism, however it may differ from it in name. [Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, 1885]
I concur with allodial; it all depends upon how one defines "religion". Some come from a position of angry detest due to the legalistic, ritualistic, hypocritical, etc. manner in which most religion is practiced. I for the most part agree, although not as vehemently as some who hurl absolute disgust towards the uniformed and temporarily lost/ignorant souls who are not yet in FULL cognizance of God's truth and knowledge. I reserve that vitriol for those who DO FULLY KNOW and yet choose to deceive and rebel, since that is a direct affront to our Father in Heaven.
Stating that everything in scripture is allegorical is akin to esoterism/gnostcism; these are the same sentiments put forth by this ilk:
material/matter = ALWAYS BAD
spiritual = ALWAYS GOOD
Nothing can be further from the truth. There are those who have never taken on flesh who will perish forever. There are those who were born of flesh who will reign over those who were not.
The end game is a global Eden, an actual Kingdom on earth, whereby our Lord and King Jesus The Christ will reign forever together with man whom God created in His image for that purpose.
Some [literalists] say it's just a part of it, we've got to fulfill the book......
When I sacrifice my strength [vanity] then I am weak - and God is STRONG. Amen. God dwells in you. In ALL. Even the Iraqi people, the Chinese, the Russians - for in reality these are merely named trusts - a societal mask. We are ALL children of the most High God.
When I come to the cave in the mountain - remember Lot- the Higher Mind - then I will ask my Father, the King, if it is okay for me to intercourse with the Holy Spirit - I will ask of Her, my Mother - and she will not withhold that which is good. Try NOT to think about sex and incest - do you see how the lower mind fights against you? Can't you feel it within yourself?
2Sa 13:1 And it came to pass after this, that Absalom the son of David had a fair sister, whose name was Tamar; and Amnon the son of David loved her.
2Sa 13:2 And Amnon was so vexed, that he fell sick for his sister Tamar; for she was a virgin; and Amnon thought it hard for him to do any thing to her.
2Sa 13:3 But Amnon had a friend, whose name was Jonadab, the son of Shimeah David's brother: and Jonadab was a very subtil man.
2Sa 13:4 And he said unto him, Why art thou, being the king's son, lean from day to day? wilt thou not tell me? And Amnon said unto him, I love Tamar, my brother Absalom's sister.
2Sa 13:5 And Jonadab said unto him, Lay thee down on thy bed, and make thyself sick: and when thy father cometh to see thee, say unto him, I pray thee, let my sister Tamar come, and give me meat, and dress the meat in my sight, that I may see it, and eat it at her hand.
2Sa 13:6 So Amnon lay down, and made himself sick: and when the king was come to see him, Amnon said unto the king, I pray thee, let Tamar my sister come, and make me a couple of cakes in my sight, that I may eat at her hand.
2Sa 13:7 Then David sent home to Tamar, saying, Go now to thy brother Amnon's house, and dress him meat.
2Sa 13:8 So Tamar went to her brother Amnon's house; and he was laid down. And she took flour, and kneaded it, and made cakes in his sight, and did bake the cakes.
2Sa 13:9 And she took a pan, and poured them out before him; but he refused to eat. And Amnon said, Have out all men from me. And they went out every man from him.
2Sa 13:10 And Amnon said unto Tamar, Bring the meat into the chamber, that I may eat of thine hand. And Tamar took the cakes which she had made, and brought them into the chamber to Amnon her brother.
2Sa 13:11 And when she had brought them unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister.
2Sa 13:12 And she answered him, Nay, my brother, do not force me; for no such thing ought to be done in Israel: do not thou this folly.
2Sa 13:13 And I, whither shall I cause my shame to go? and as for thee, thou shalt be as one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee.
Comment: Now don't let that ball get under your glove. You gotta keep your eye on the ball. Get it "eyeball".....continuing....Did you just read that? It says that if Amnon would have just asked David, then David would have allowed him to have sex with Tamar. Now clearly reader this is NOT what it means. This sexual act is an act which ALLEGORICALLY speaks to our minds! Let's see if Herod, I mean Amnon will be satisfied to ask David or will he just rush right in to fulfill his desires.
2Sa 13:14 Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but, being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her.
2Sa 13:15 Then Amnon hated her exceedingly; so that the hatred wherewith he hated her was greater than the love wherewith he had loved her. And Amnon said unto her, Arise, be gone.
2Sa 13:16 And she said unto him, There is no cause: this evil in sending me away is greater than the other that thou didst unto me. But he would not hearken unto her.
2Sa 13:17 Then he called his servant that ministered unto him, and said, Put now this woman out from me, and bolt the door after her.
Comment: Now look carefully at v17, when he was done with her he cast her out and locked the door to his carnal house. Do you see what this is telling you? It means he is barring the way into the upper realms of God - Higher Consciousness. And his servants are his CARNAL THOUGHTS. He justifies himself! Now if you are a female reading this - in the analogy the Mind is male [Jacob] with two wives Leah [emotional nature] and Rachel [spiritual nature]. Amnon is the lower mind who thought to force Tamar/Rachel/Rebecca/Sarah. This results in Religion - and puts to death Christ.
Friends clearly IN THIS ANALOGY David represents the Most High God. Tamar is the Holy Spirit and Amnon is our lower mind! Absalom is our Higher Mind. Haven't you heard, "They THINK to take the Kingdom of God by FORCE". So Amnon rapes his sister, but if he had only ASKED the King, then the King would have allowed it.
Now c'mon if this is not an allegorical story, then God is a sick pervert. Nevertheless many today have their minds twisted in the literal understandings. The carnal mind takes with force. Look around you friend - what do you see? War, violence, hatred - these are all fruits of the carnal mind.
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Do not think that the days of John the Baptist were 2000 years ago - John is an aspect of you. And Herod is an aspect of you. Now is the days of John the Baptist.
Now c'mon if this is not an allegorical story, then God is a sick pervert. Nevertheless many today have their minds twisted in the literal understandings. The carnal mind takes with force.
And after Amnon gets his way - he does not want a guilty conscience so he throws the woman out. Geez, is there no wonder why men have oppressed the woman for ages in their ignorance, they oppress that which was meant for their good. They just don't understand.
For just as Lot was in the "cave of the mountain" which is to say in Higher Consciousness - he too was in intercourse with his daughters - notice IN THAT ALLEGORY - again we see the spiritual women of the house. Else, there we go again, a man of God having sex with his daughters - how Holy and righteous Lot is. ABSURD.
Nevertheless the truth plays out in Nature all around us - thus we are the microcosm and nature the macrocosm. Therefore:
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
So the literal words reveal an invisible truth. I would hate to be a woman in the house of a literalist. By oppressing the woman in my house, I oppress myself!
Speaking to the topic - the Spiritual truth regarding the topic....
Those who are the Israel of God - are the chosen People - Judah. This is entirely Spiritual. This has NOTHING to do with race, creed or gender. These folks are of [children] the right hand. So that they might produce fruits of joy and happiness in the left hand. Balance.
Otherwise to claim a particular special race of people, is to deny Christ. This is antichrist. For the Scriptures declare that God is not a respecter of men or women.
Therefore Israel and the Church is improperly framed - if one speaks to race and religion - that is perpetually without the Kingdom of God. Therefore so is LITERALISM.
I think it was Jesus who said "My Kingdom is NOT of this world". But who listens to Jesus. Nevertheless men erect their towers of babel and stay upon their own religious creations. It makes it easier to point the finger and thus fulfill the desire to be right.
Therefore one must find balance. The Spiritual truths found in the Higher Realms of God must drop down and manifest in the fleshly realms of this world age - and then change shall come - Real Change. Lies promoted to a desperate public will never effect change for the good. That house is built on sand. Be it religious or political.
Wisdom is known by her children. How you doing friend?
Your points regarding things of the hidden realm being played out on earth are well taken. Who can deny God's Will Be Done, on Earth as it is in Heaven?
That being said; why the leap to deny the material/earthly existence of John the Baptist, Herod, Abraham, Moses, etc.? Would you apply the same logic to yourself? You are NOT really there in the flesh; you are a figment of illusion to all others that gaze upon you with what they ignorantly believe are fleshly eyes.
How do you know for sure these men did not actually walk the earth? Were you there at that time?
Why does the belief that these men actually walked the earth automatically morph into total carnality according to your viewpoint? Why is it essential to adopt a TOTALLY allegorical stance in order to gain wisdom from scripture? Is there not ANYTHING pertaining to life on earth, in the physical realm, that is good in your view?
A gnostic would agree that there is NOTHING material that is good which means: God is a liar and/or we are all under the same delusion that the material/physical universe actually exists.
I myself see BOTH allegorical AND literal elements in scripture - a symbiotic relationship of knowledge and guidance provided to us by the Creator of the Heavens and the PHYSICAL earth.
Your points regarding things of the hidden realm being played out on earth are well taken. Who can deny God's Will Be Done, on Earth as it is in Heaven?
That being said; why the leap to deny the material/earthly existence of John the Baptist, Herod, Abraham, Moses, etc.? Would you apply the same logic to yourself? You are NOT really there in the flesh; you are a figment of illusion to all others that gaze upon you with what they ignorantly believe are fleshly eyes.
How do you know for sure these men did not actually walk the earth? Were you there at that time?
Why does the belief that these men actually walked the earth automatically morph into total carnality according to your viewpoint? Why is it essential to adopt a TOTALLY allegorical stance in order to gain wisdom from scripture? Is there not ANYTHING pertaining to life on earth, in the physical realm, that is good in your view?
A gnostic would agree that there is NOTHING material that is good which means: God is a liar and/or we are all under the same delusion that the material/physical universe actually exists.
I myself see BOTH allegorical AND literal elements in scripture - a symbiotic relationship of knowledge and guidance provided to us by the Creator of the Heavens and the PHYSICAL earth.
Jesus Christ said the Kingdom of God is within me. I believe him. I have not denied the possibility of the physical existence of any of the actors in Scripture - what i maintain is why do i care about some fellas who existed in some city thousands and thousands of years ago. Whether they existed or not does not help me one bit. So I really don't care. But what they stand for Allegorically Speaking helps me today! Wisdom is known of her children! The allegory teaches me about Me. And whether not men existed in some city and did some stuff - well I could care less.
I really don't care if they existed or not. I have put Issac to death - religion and its actors bore me. I am free in Christ. I am Immanuel - and so are you. God dwells within the tabernacle of Mankind. I do not respond to defend against your thoughts that is the beauty - you are free and so am I. Therefore I shall not oppress you and neither you me.
If you need the physical, then so be it. I don't need to think of these actors as physical. I have forgiven my worst enemy, me. I mean, c'mon why do I care one bit about some guy name John? I mean really, like I am to believe for one moment that a bunch of english sounding guys John, Peter, Paul and Mary were walking about in a Hebrew city. Me thinks the names have been changed but the song remains the same.
The hair therefore symbolizes the Spiritual truths descending into the lower nature whereof said truth effect a change. I have no idea what gnostism is and I really do not require another boring religion to appease my intellect. That's what the carnal mind requires - justification.
FOR ME - the Scriptures come ALIVE when i see into the Spiritual. A bunch of girls and boys doing stuff is quite boring to me. Along comes a Superman who can walk on water, yeah right. Sure he did....Whether he did or not - why do I care one bit? I don't. But when I come to understand the allegory and what it means TO ME, then I too can walk on water. And not just me but all of us.
For we are all equipped with the same hardware just exactly like the man Jesus had. Now I tell you this day that I am doing better than Jesus. And with great gasps the audience screams blasphemy. Well friends, lets see what Jesus said. I think I will obey Jesus and I really don't care one bit for the religious control mechanisms which seek to keep me in slavery.
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Clearly religion teaches that we can do better than Jesus, right? No? I wonder why? I have made the blind to see. I have made the lame walk. Can religion do these things? Not in a million years! Religion seeks its own comfort, its own power, its own control, its own period.
For she [religion] says:
Pro 7:7 And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,
Pro 7:8 Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house,
Pro 7:9 In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:
Pro 7:10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.
Pro 7:11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:
Pro 7:12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)
Pro 7:15 Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.
Pro 7:16 I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt.
Pro 7:17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.
Pro 7:18 Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves.
Pro 7:19 For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:
Pro 7:24 Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.
Pro 7:25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.
Pro 7:26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.
Pro 7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
Comment: Go to her [religion] if you want. I shall attend to the Dark Saying found in the Bible. I run from her house she is death.
Pro 1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.
Psa 78:1 Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.
Psa 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
Psa 78:3 Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.
Who can understand the Parables [Allegory] and the Dark Sayings? Their physical eyes blind the spiritual eyes. Eat of the fruit says emotional intellectualism [Eve] so she gave to the Mind [Adam] and he did eat and his spiritual eyes closed and his physical opened.
Jesus Christ never opened up his mouth except that he spoke in a parable.
Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house:
Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God. So why do I care about some dudes walking in some desert dry land. Plainly put - I don't. I want the TRUTH - I don't really need the "free fish sandwich" [5 loaves - 2 fishes].
From my perspective Mind proceeds matter. Religion today, just like the Jewish Church, is seeking their hero to come and extinguish Rome. There is nothing new under the sun. Funny how Elijah didn't wait. He withstood the 450 lawyers. Which is to say the servants of the Carnal Mind - Ahab is Lower Mind; Jezebal is Emotional Intellect which births the children of desire.
Or, I could be fleshly and cheer a man who - FOR MY SIDE - killed 450 men. Go Elijah. Kill those infidels - they deserve it. Elijah, Elijah, he's our man...Go Elijah....Hooray for Elijah. Those guys deserved it. Elijah must have been Christian. Yes, I am sure of it!
Dogs of war and men of hate
With no cause, we don't discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone
Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather 'round and haggle
For hard cash, we will lie and deceive
Even our masters don't know the web we weave
Dogs of war - Pink Floyd
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So the Christian Bible says it is okay to kill the heathen and the Muslim Bible says its okay to kill the heathen....and perhaps, maybe perhaps - both readers are incredibly blind to the Allegorical meaning - which is to say the Carnal Mind must be subdued and brought into submission to the Higher Mind.
I'm just sayin' - but you call the ball. Therefore don't trust me or any other man. Hey READER who do you think will win the war ISLAM or CHRISTIANITY? Let's kill them all in the name of our God! ABSURDITY.
Pro 7:26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.
Pro 7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
Of course the physical city of Jerusalem lies in ruin and therefore physically speaking what does that say about the human mind? For the gates represent the 12 aspects of thought and the hidden 13th - Dinah the virgin.
The male dominated religion always harp on the sons of Jacob - Dinah the virgin it seems has been forgotten. Shechem/Amnon will always seek to take Dinah/Tamar by force!
The kingdoms of the world [carnal mind] thought to take her by force. What is new under the sun? Nothing.
Same song different names.
The blessing is in the hand of the doer. Faith absent deeds is dead.
It's obvious to any reader that you don't. Is that the point?
You say, "Along comes a Superman who can walk on water, yeah right. Sure he did....Whether he did or not - why do I care one bit? I don't."
We get it, you don't care; but why the non-committal and contradicting statement, "Sure he did....Whether he did or not". Sounds a bit like you are unwilling to make a firm stand either way yet you deride those who do if they do not choose the direction in which youlean.
I too am just sayin'...
As to parables: can it not be interpreted as to mean the necessity of Jesus to articulate His gospel to the multitudes by using analogies which they could better understand in their own historical/cultural context? Why does speaking in parables have to mean hiding the truth - secrets? The apostles knew without the need for explanation/clarification; they were chosen and had understanding of these things by direct revelation unlike the yet untaught multitude. Isn't that the reason for preaching? Isn't that the correct method of preaching; to reach others in ways they can understand? Parable = Analogy.
As to greater works: can it not be interpreted that the greater works would be the worldwide spread of the gospel; the birth, life and death of Jesus The Christ? Couldn't it mean that while Jesus' ministry was only local, the greater church's ministry will be worldwide; something Jesus did not accomplish while on earth?
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine
It's obvious to any reader that you don't. Is that the point?
You say, "Along comes a Superman who can walk on water, yeah right. Sure he did....Whether he did or not - why do I care one bit? I don't."
We get it, you don't care; but why the non-committal and contradicting statement, "Sure he did....Whether he did or not". Sounds a bit like you are unwilling to make a firm stand either way yet you deride those who do if they do not choose the direction in which youlean.
I too am just sayin'...
As to parables: can it not be interpreted as to mean the necessity of Jesus to articulate His gospel to the multitudes by using analogies which they could better understand in their own historical/cultural context? Why does speaking in parables have to mean hiding the truth - secrets? The apostles knew without the need for explanation/clarification; they were chosen and had understanding of these things by direct revelation unlike the yet untaught multitude. Isn't that the reason for preaching? Isn't that the correct method of preaching; to reach others in ways they can understand? Parable = Analogy.
As to greater works: can it not be interpreted that the greater works would be the worldwide spread of the gospel; the birth, life and death of Jesus The Christ? Couldn't it mean that while Jesus' ministry was only local, the greater church's ministry will be worldwide; something Jesus did not accomplish while on earth?
Well I guess that is fair enough. What exactly is the Gospel that Jesus taught? It certainly was not about himself. After considerable study I have found that Jesus taught concerning the Kingdom of God and specifically concerning The Way of the Kingdom. Now why pray tell, do you think Religion has that backwards?
I mean to hear the religionists go on one would think that Jesus came to give witness of himself. But lets just see if we can see what Jesus said concerning that fact.
Joh_5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Clearly Christ did not ordain the church in Jesus' day. In fact it was the State sponsored religion. Well let me see, yep as I look around nothing has changed. A watered down white washed gospel concerning God knows what is taught. A Gospel that glorifies Jesus. And in fact Jesus specifically instructed the Disciplined Ones - do not worship me.
Well lets just see if the undisciplined ones are to understand the mysteries of the kingdom shall we? You know, the ones right, those who worship Jesus and do not in any way shape or form walk in The Way of God according to the gospel of Jesus which is the Kingdom of God.
Mat_13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Well friend unto you it is given to know too. However religion blinds the spiritual eyes and as such many remain without.
Specifically, unto the personage known as BLBEREANS, If you feel derided it is a self indictment. I have derided noone. I will not yield to religion. I just have a different perspective. I can see zero reason why any man should be lifted up before my eyes. In fact we are commanded to do just the opposite and yet folks lift up Jesus in direct disobedience to the Top Ten.
The Kingdom of God is come. Well now shall we get a better handle on this gospel that Jesus taught. You know the one that should be preached - but is not.
Mar_1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Comment: Well, dadgumit, I wonder did Jesus just say the Kingdom of God is at hand? I wonder what the religionists are waiting for? Death perhaps? Is everyone asleep or did you just realize dear reader that Jesus said "the time is fulfilled" - that is PAST TENSE. And then comes the Kingdom of God is AT HAND - that is NOW. Not later - that is right now!
Luk 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Entering into what? The knowledge of the Kingdom of God specifically concerning The Way of God.
Mal 2:7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
Mal 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
Comment: Priests causing many to stumble at the law is an understatement of understatements.
Mal 2:9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.
Comment: The Law of course is spiritual - but of course religion has made it fleshly and physical.
Rom_7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
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Jer 12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.
Eze 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
Eze 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
Eze 13:10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:
Comment: And according as I am commanded - I shall say - RELIGION SHALL FALL>
Eze 13:11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.
Eze 13:12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?
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Concerning religion:
Eze 13:21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
Comment: v 22 is religion 101 - just believe - in what - who knows.
Eze 13:23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
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