Election of Yehovah

[motla68]

me = John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Because it was God the Father speaking to them through the man Jesus.

Yes God the Father manifesting through the man. Jesus was Christed.

"I travail in birth pains till Christ be formed in you."

Sorry for commenting earlier, I later seen that there was no question mark asking for response. Seems you already have your own ideas about it, please continue.

[Michael Joseph]

This fellow is a friend of yours MJ?

He opens here that I am to partake of your thread under his instructions as your pupil?

I find that a big turn-off! Point being that I will not be blessed by your article MJ - this guy's arrogant passive-aggressive style has already put a bad taste in my mouth while reading it. The couple paragraphs I read though, they look interesting!

I take no part in this back and forth. I prepared this presentment for the benefit of ALL who read. I hope you are blessed by it David.

Motla68 and I are friends and colleagues. We share information with each other. I cannot speak to the manner in which this was presented to you David. All I can say is I broadcast this presentment to all who would choose to read it. I Already know that most will not comprehend it; yet there are some that will - and that is the difference.

I remain working in the field. Shalom,
mj

[Frederick Burrell]

Sorry for commenting earlier, I later seen that there was no question mark asking for response. Seems you already have your own ideas about it, please continue.

Question are implied and as do you.

I don't use the question mark. Bad habit.

[Michael Joseph]

Sounds like you are making a case for reincarnation. Works in one age put you in good standing in another. hmmmmm

I soundly refuse this claim of re-incarnation. We all lived in the 1st Age - Yehovah destroyed it because some of his children fell short; yet some did not fall short and were justified in that Age. And we will all live thru the flesh Age and then some will continue into the 3rd Age and some will not.

The mystery will not be seen by all. I accept that fact.

shalom,
mj

[Frederick Burrell]

I take no part in this back and forth. I prepared this presentment for the benefit of ALL who read. I hope you are blessed by it David.

thank you for posting it. i understand your position. fB

[Frederick Burrell]

I soundly refuse this claim of re-incarnation. We all lived in the 1st Age - Yehovah destroyed it because some of his children fell short; yet some did not fall short and were justified in that Age. And we will all live thru the flesh Age and then some will continue into the 3rd Age and some will not.

The mystery will not be seen by all. I accept that fact.

shalom,
mj

Perhaps we need to define reincarnation. I see it as that we/some have live in the past and are living again. Is that not what you are saying by we lived in the first age, or some did anyway, and we/some are living in the second age. There are many definitions of reincarnation. So perhaps defining will help to alleviate any mis-conceptions. fB

[motla68]

David, please read through this and take good notes, I would be interested to hear any of your rebuttal to all this.

This fellow is a friend of yours MJ?

He opens here that I am to partake of your thread under his instructions as your pupil?

I find that a big turn-off! Point being that I will not be blessed by your article MJ - this guy's arrogant passive-aggressive style has already put a bad taste in my mouth while reading it. The couple paragraphs I read though, they look interesting!

I ask you nicely and yet you still belittle my request. Again, if you have no interest in the request then do not respond.
Here let me teach you a good response: " I do not have any rebuttal, but thanks for the blessing MJ ". Make sense?
Thank you in advance.

[motla68]

I Already know that most will not comprehend it; yet there are some that will - and that is the difference.

Is that not the law of nature though in a lot of animal species as well, not all turtles make it to the ocean, not all tadpoles make it out of the pond?
Someone told me recently that when you plant food you do it with the planned intention of the thirds, 1/3 animals will eat, 1/3 goes to the earth and 1/3
you eat for food.

[Michael Joseph]

thank you for posting it. i understand your position. fB

Frederick Burrell you are welcome.

Shalom,
mj

[Michael Joseph]

Perhaps we need to define reincarnation. I see it as that we/some have live in the past and are living again. Is that not what you are saying by we lived in the first age, or some did anyway, and we/some are living in the second age. There are many definitions of reincarnation. So perhaps defining will help to alleviate any mis-conceptions. fB

well, the doctrine of re-incarnation is that we live and we die [in the flesh] and then we come back again and again and again and again, thru the Flesh Age, until we somehow work things out for ourselves. This doctrine is unsupported in Yehovah's Word.

Man[kind] took some form in the 1st Age. I strongly believe we shall take the same form in the 3rd Age; yet I cannot prove it. The 2nd Age is a Test for the Prodigal Son ONLY. The Flesh Age. The Elder shall serve the younger. Did not Jacob cross (X) his arms when giving the blessing. As I said Reader, there are levels.

[Michael Joseph]

Is that not the law of nature though in a lot of animal species as well, not all turtles make it to the ocean, not all tadpoles make it out of the pond?
Someone told me recently that when you plant food you do it with the planned intention of the thirds, 1/3 animals will eat, 1/3 goes to the earth and 1/3
you eat for food.

Of course the Law of Nature supercedes the Civil Law [if you will]. Sodom and Gomorrah were found guilty 430 years prior to Sinai and the giving of the Moral and Civil Law [10 commandments]. These were guilty of Natural Law. And Yehovah will not abide those abominations.

The Promise was given and sealed by the Ever Living long before the Law showed up on the scene. Abraham was not found wanting - in the Promise - not the Law - by Faith. Yet, Abraham was Elect of Yehovah - chosen to be example so that the Gentiles [ethnos or non-Yisra'el nations] could see the operation of Faith. Abraham was with Salvation PRIOR to this Flesh Age because he overcame in the First Age.

I know I plow deep and if it is just too much, then just set my assertions aside and lets move on.

Shalom,
mj

[Frederick Burrell]

mj

I appreciate your post for our edification. I hope you don't mind that I posted some exerts from The voice of Silence. i have found it to be of great value on my spiritual journey and thoughts others may find it in the same Light. Sorry if it is inappropriate. I can remove it and my comments. fB

[Michael Joseph]

mj

I appreciate your post for our edification. I hope you don't mind that I posted some exerts from The voice of Silence. i have found it to be of great value on my spiritual journey and thoughts others may find it in the same Light. Sorry if it is inappropriate. I can remove it and my comments. fB

Here's the thing - oppress no one - please do what you deem appropriate. Remember there are many who overcame in the first age - these are all over the entire globe - in all the races.

I am unfamiliar with that writing; however, I made a promise to one here on this forum that I could and would support my assertion using ONLY the canonized KJV. So I shall attend to my Word. That is not to say that I will not consider the value in that other writing you offer. It's my dime, right? I can spend it how I choose.

Thank you for this however, as it goes to the respect of the thread and I freely admit that many times in my mind I am clearly on topic, others see me as hi-jacking their threads. You do what you feel you need to do. I leave it up to you.

Shalom,
mj

[Frederick Burrell]

MJ Should you find the exerts of interest and would like the book in PDF format message me and I can email it.

[motla68]

Of course the Law of Nature supercedes the Civil Law [if you will]. Sodom and Gomorrah were found guilty 430 years prior to Sinai and the giving of the Moral and Civil Law [10 commandments]. These were guilty of Natural Law. And Yehovah will not abide those abominations.

The Promise was given and sealed by the Ever Living long before the Law showed up on the scene. Abraham was not found wanting - in the Promise - not the Law - by Faith. Yet, Abraham was Elect of Yehovah - chosen to be example so that the Gentiles [ethnos or non-Yisra'el nations] could see the operation of Faith. Abraham was with Salvation PRIOR to this Flesh Age because he overcame in the First Age.
I know I plow deep and if it is just too much, then just set my assertions aside and lets move on.
Shalom,
mj

Keep plowing brother, I might not get it al at the time spoken, but somewhere something will trigger reflection and then I go back to read it again and can see the light of the intention.