Jurisdictional Challenge

[powder]

One thing people often think they MUST do is physically go to court to challenge jurisdiction. This is just fundamentally flawed. Think about it. The person is a fiction and only exists on paper. How can the person do anything? Doesn't your physical presence and GIVING of the name in court then grant general appearance?

Anyway, there was a court case for 'my person' for 'driving while suspended'. A jurisdictional challenge was put into place and the case has disappeared.

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[EZrhythm]

Hey Powder, great to see you post! Yes, I remember you satisfying "appearance" by fax before.

[Treefarmer]

One thing people often think they MUST do is physically go to court to challenge jurisdiction. This is just fundamentally flawed. Think about it. The person is a fiction and only exists on paper. How can the person do anything? Doesn't your physical presence and GIVING of the name in court then grant general appearance?

Anyway, there was a court case for 'my person' for 'driving while suspended'. A jurisdictional challenge was put into place and the case has disappeared.

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More info please; I look forward to seeing your sanitized docs.
I'm interested in learning more about jurisdiction.
Thank you in advance powder.

[powder]

Evidence

Here you go. This document was sent via registered mail and regular mail, see the header in the document. 2010-01-07-Jurisdictional-Questions.doc. At the same time this preacipe was sent to the clerk of the court 2010-01-11-praecipe-restricted-appearance.doc. To which the clerk of the court responded (sent another offer):



This document was printed and signed, placed in the original envelope with their document, and marked 'return to sender'.
2010-02-02-return-traffic-clerk.doc

This document was sent to the prosecutors, noticing them of default.
2010-02-02-Jurisdictional-Questions-Default.doc

[motla68]

Hey Powder, great to see you post! Yes, I remember you satisfying "appearance" by fax before.

Look in local state rules for civil procedure, north carolina has this option in their statutes as well.

[powder]

Look in local state rules for civil procedure, north carolina has this option in their statutes as well.

How can a fiction "really" appear in the court? it can't. Fictions only exist on paper and can only appear.... on paper.

[motla68]

How can a fiction "really" appear in the court? it can't. Fictions only exist on paper and can only appear.... on paper.

Sure they can. All you have to do is bring the Certificate of Person into court and say it's right here. In fact the Swedish government does not call them Birth Certificates they use this exact wording " Certificate of Person ".

[David Merrill]

In Canada as well as America the Crown was overtaken by the same bonding cycle - through the Central Bank of Canada, instead of the Fed.

...the undersigned accepts your oath of office for value, honour and consideration.

Listen to this American do it.

Plug in those numbers to check for yourself. The STATEMENT is an abatement for misnomer and the JUDGMENT is default ten days later.

The IN GOD WE TRUST was on the bail bond. The current bonds on the officials bore the same ever-living God.

Chief Judge Kirk Stewart SAMELSON.
State Attorney General John William SUTHERS.

Sure they can. All you have to do is bring the Certificate of Person into court and say it's right here. In fact the Swedish government does not call them Birth Certificates they use this exact wording " Certificate of Person ".

In Canada, or America that by no means indicates that there is any value in the birth certificate.

[Treefarmer]

Here you go. This document was sent via registered mail and regular mail, see the header in the document. [ATTACH]636[/ATTACH]. At the same time this preacipe was sent to the clerk of the court [ATTACH]635[/ATTACH]. To which the clerk of the court responded (sent another offer):

[ATTACH=CONFIG]633[/ATTACH]

This document was printed and signed, placed in the original envelope with their document, and marked 'return to sender'.
[ATTACH]634[/ATTACH]

This document was sent to the prosecutors, noticing them of default.
[ATTACH]637[/ATTACH]

Very nice, thank you powder, and congratulations on managing your affairs in a competent manner.

[allodial]

She says "My name is JUDGE ........." or whatever. Perhaps she/he/it is confessing to being a 'program'?

[xparte]

This is a success story i am currently trying to Powder for myself the answers and answerers are extreme with this we cant offer legal advice YOU have a warrant for your arrest you will have to address that first well i know where thats going I need a few more private snowballs some senior mailboxes are full and they make the best snowballs on the road to success make room for mine thanx

[David Neil]

[allodial]

One caveat on a jurisdictional challenge is that if you get a case closed, you could re-open it by doing this.

[xparte]

Only a person can challenge if you think thats what you is Court has been noticed that u and the NAME aren't going to be a challenge after all this and appeals just PERSONS cuttin deals never a success being a person of my calamity list

[KnowLaw]

Jurisdictional Challenge

I would be happy to post my brief if anyone is interested in the arguments I made.

Never argue in an administrative court. It engages you in the benefit of discussion which allows a general appearance in that court. That's where you made your mistake.

If you want success, the only way to achieve that is to challenge (not argue) jurisdiction. You can accomplish that with, as David states, an abatement for misnomer, or with a "refusal for cause" and due process challenge, challenging the status of the plaintiff's authority to force his chosen jurisdiction upon the juristic person.