W-4 form and the intent for Lawful Money, first step to getting a mistake corrected.

[Snuffy]

Hi motla68,

Did the woman that did this continue to receive paychecks with no federal withholding? I have submitted an exempt W-4 before (not 12 USC 411) and it worked for a month (1 paycheck) then for future months the withholding came back. Curious if hers stuck.

[motla68]

Hi motla68,

Did the woman that did this continue to receive paychecks with no federal withholding? I have submitted an exempt W-4 before (not 12 USC 411) and it worked for a month (1 paycheck) then for future months the withholding came back. Curious if hers stuck.

Yes, it did stick. I last spoke with her about 2 weeks ago. She is now very close to retiring sooner then later from the corporate world, just got her certification in Reiki i think it is called and she will do that part time. Since being a part of the local group she has come into more enlightenment when it comes to money/commerce and said she would do this for free for those who honestly could not afford it and had a great need.
Receive freely, give freely , everyone benefits.

[Chex]

Snuffy "I have submitted an exempt W-4 before (not 12 USC 411) and it worked for a month (1 paycheck) then for future months the withholding came back". How did it come back?

[Snuffy]

Appreciate the feedback motla68.

Snuffy "I have submitted an exempt W-4 before (not 12 USC 411) and it worked for a month (1 paycheck) then for future months the withholding came back". How did it come back?

I may have used the wrong term. By "came back" I meant the withholding resumed as if the W-4 had not been submitted. I don't have my pay stubs with me right now to see if the exact withholding amounts resumed.

[Guest]

I submitted a w-4 to the employer, exempt and with notice of 12 USC 411.

I heard not a peep from Payroll or several weeks - until one day I read an email from Payroll citing State laws and IRS publications that explained that I had no standing to include on the form any information that is not requested by the form.

So I submitted yet another w-4, exempt but without notice of 12 USC 411. Payroll was only concerned that the w-4 was filled out according to law. Everything has been fine for me ever since.

[Snuffy]

Does anyone have thoughts on if being a state government employee ("STATE OF XXXXXX") has any bearing on this?

In addition to my previous information maybe I should have noted I also filled out an "Employee Action Request" form STD. 686. It appears to be the state version of the W-4. Payroll asked for this after I submitted the W-4 (not 12 USC 411). If I recall correctly I received a IRS 3175C letter (no fine) many months later.

Here is a link to a STD. 686 I found on the internet: http://hr.sdsu.edu/pdf/Payroll/EAR.pdf

This is on page 2:

"IF YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM EITHER FEDERAL OR STATE WITHHOLDING, but not exempt from both, contact your personnel office for special instructions."

I am thinking lawful money would be exempt for both.

[Chex]

Whenever somebody is handing you cash, postage stamps or money orders - lawful money of the US - and they want you to sign for it, assume they are asking you for endorsement of private credit. Sign your demand for lawful money rather than an endorsement.

This caught my reading the real news today. Why it was in the NY time today is bewildering.

THE NEW POSTAGE STAMP CURRENCY. - NYTimes.com Published: July 20, 1862 http://www.nytimes.com/1862/07/20/ne...-currency.html

THE POSTAGE STAMP CURRENCY; Statement of City Postmaster Wakeman in Reference to Defaced Postage Stamps. Published: October 11, 1862 http://www.nytimes.com/1862/10/11/ne...e-defaced.htmlhttp://www.ephemerasociety.org/blog/?p=883

[doug555]

This caught my reading the real news today. Why it was in the NY time today is bewildering.

THE NEW POSTAGE STAMP CURRENCY. - NYTimes.com Published: July 20, 1862 http://www.nytimes.com/1862/07/20/ne...-currency.html

THE POSTAGE STAMP CURRENCY; Statement of City Postmaster Wakeman in Reference to Defaced Postage Stamps. Published: October 11, 1862 http://www.nytimes.com/1862/10/11/ne...e-defaced.htmlhttp://www.ephemerasociety.org/blog/?p=883

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Thanks for this post Chex! Now imagine how this same technique could be applied to improve the "Indorsed Bill Remedy" to perhaps provide "certified funds" to settle "obligations of the United States", with the NAME on each bill being an "instrumentality of the United States".

Below is item #4 of the "Indorsed Bill Procedure", revised to incorporate the anti-counterfeiting feature of the 1862 "postage stamp" currency.

4. Use certified copies of #3 as Proof of Contract with US for Indemnification against all claims when indorsing, sealing and returning bills via USPS Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested to CFO as payment (for deposit only to United States), along with above Usufruct Letter (having Trust-captioned header statement). Note: keep copies of each bill and its USPS Form 3800. Place the self-adhesive strip on the very top of this form onto each bill, along with your personal embossed seal, to prove it is an original issue of a lawful money demand in order to prevent the "counterfeiting" of lawful money! This form also establishes evidence of confirmation of delivery of the June 5, 1933 HJR 192 public trust res.

Using this IBR method eliminates the need to "make change", since each bill is PAID, "dollar for dollar", in accord with HJR 192!

[JohnnyCash]

You could try the modified W-4 form where no "employee" agreement is made.

[doug555]

You could try the modified W-4 form where no "employee" agreement is made.

Can you point to one that is filled out. The cite above is a blank form.

Also note Rock Anthony's post at post3972 for additional feedback.

Personally, I do not mind if the "employee" has a contract, as long as 12 USC 411 is honored and the refund is generated accordingly, which it has been for me and for you as you've already attested to in recent posts.

This "refund" is acting like a "savings account" for me... which I "withdraw" every February!