Presumption of federal income - how it begins

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  • JohnnyCash
    • Oct 2025

    #1

    Presumption of federal income - how it begins

    Our experience shows the Federal Income Tax to be an excise on federal things, including private credit of the Federal Reserve, and not a tax on income, or receipts in general. But where does the presumption of federal income come from? where does it begin?

    I'm pleased to present a real-world example of such a beginning. It's found in the request for a Form W-9:


    And it's on the Form W-9 that one certifies: "3. I am a U.S. citizen or other U.S. person"
    Information about Form W-9, Request for Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) and Certification, including recent updates, related forms, and instructions on how to file. Form W-9 is used to provide a correct TIN to payers (or brokers) required to file information returns with IRS.


    I have also noticed that every bank signature card/agreement contains the same Form W-9 language:
  • Goldi

    #2
    That would actually be an I-9, not a W-9

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    • Brian
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 142

      #3
      Another nexus of the presumption is when you fill out the W-4 and paste your SSN# on it and turn it into your employer.

      The real destroyer is the W-2 filled to the IRS which starts as a W-3 sent to the SSA by your employer.

      All of these presume you are being paid in privileged legal tender in order to be valid.

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      • ManOntheLand

        #4
        Originally posted by Brian View Post
        Another nexus of the presumption is when you fill out the W-4 and paste your SSN# on it and turn it into your employer.

        The real destroyer is the W-2 filled to the IRS which starts as a W-3 sent to the SSA by your employer.

        All of these presume you are being paid in privileged legal tender in order to be valid.
        Most people get paid with a check, which is a negotiable instrument. It is apparently presumed that you will bond that check into the private credit system. The tax return of course provides the opportunity to inform IRS that you demanded redemption in lawful money when depositing your negotiable instruments.

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        • Peaceful
          Junior Member
          • Jan 2014
          • 3

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