LAW states registration not required

[Frederick Burrell]

CONSUMER GOODS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE REGISTERED!

[EZrhythm]

GREAT POST! I am well aware that consumer good are not required to be registered as I have been traveling with a plate that states that very thing for quite a while.

Here is an experience I had while displaying that plate;

[Frederick Burrell]

Great post EZrhythm. It seems I will giving it a try soon, as soon as I return to the states, as I turned in my plates when I left.

What did you make your plate out of looks good. fB

[EZrhythm]

Another remedy researcher in the area had about ten of them made at a sign shop, kept some and sold the rest. They were made from plastic and engraved.

[Treefarmer]

Another remedy researcher in the area had about ten of them made at a sign shop, kept some and sold the rest. They were made from plastic and engraved.

Nice!
I really appreciate this thread.

I've been thinking on this license issue for years now.
Government "licenses" for common right activities have always chafed me.

What about liability though?
What is your contingency plan if you were to injure someone with your automobile EZrythm?
Do you have any kind of insurance or other way of being able to make good if you accidentally inflict damage on the public roads?

Thank you

[allodial]

A sample USDOT # decal for front and rear of an automobile.


Another.

Sample database snapshot fragments:

LEGAL NAME:
SCHMIDT FAMILY TRUST

PHYSICAL ADDRESS:
PRIVATE 22 MAPLE LANE
NEAR SCHENECTADY, NEW YORK 12345

OPERATING CLASSIFICATION
[X] PRIVATE (PROPERTY)
[X] OTHER: EXEMPT, NOT FOR HIRE

CARRIER OPERATION
[X] INTERSTATE

CARGO CARRIED:
[X] OTHER: NO CARGO.

The information is searchable planet-wide via the Interweb (http://safer.fmcsa.dot.gov/CompanySnapshot.aspx). Law enforcement access is via FMSCA Portal https://portal.fmcsa.dot.gov/EAALogin.form. More information about FCMSA Portal here.

[Treefarmer]

Thank you allodial.
This reminds me: I recall you stated previously somewhere that you use no DL.
Does the DOT not require a DL for a "vehicle" for which they issue a number?
Or is the DOT a different jurisdiction altogether?

[allodial]

Thank you allodial.
This reminds me: I recall you stated previously somewhere that you use no DL.
Does the DOT not require a DL for a "vehicle" for which they issue a number?
Or is the DOT a different jurisdiction altogether?

AFAIK State DMVs are subject to US Department of Transportation regulations, etc. US Department of Transportation is a superior venue to the State DMV. Totally different jurisdiction and venue. If you are not commercial, private, not for hire I am unaware of any driver license requirement.

The USDOT # is not necessarily particular for any particular vehicle unless perhaps its for a vehicle registrant. Its comprehensive for an entire organization. 'Vehicle registration' is also available. It is possible, however, to use the VIN for the legal name.

[Treefarmer]

Here is an experience I had while displaying that plate;

I'm amazed they did not demand to see your DL.
That's always the first thing that cops ask for around here.
I suppose you carry no DL when you travel EZrythm?

[allodial]

I'm amazed they did not demand to see your DL.
That's always the first thing that cops ask for around here.
I suppose you carry no DL when you travel EZrythm?

The license is a permit to be in possession of State property. If you get that then you much more insight ought to follow. As has been related before, to become a cop in State of Pennsylvania a person has to have a Pennsylvania driver license? Why? To take the part of the mandated training for police car operations, you need permission to be in possession of District-State property. Otherwise, how can you 'legally' 'drive' a police car?

Resident != private. Not domestic != State or Federal.

[Treefarmer]

AFAIK State DMVs are subject to US Department of Transportation regulations, etc. US Department of Transportation a superior venue to the State DMV. Totally different jurisdiction and venue. If you are not commercial, private, not for hire I am unaware of any driver license requirement.

I just went to the DOT website.
Curiously they don't say much about themselves and don't even specify which United States they serve.
But they appear to be in charge of a whole host of alphabet agencies.

[allodial]

I just went to the DOT website.
Curiously they don't say much about themselves and don't even specify which United States they serve.
But they appear to be in charge of a whole host of alphabet agencies.

U.S. Department of Transportation works with US Coast Guard and is under the U.S.' Secretary of Transportation. USDOT is over both the FAA and the TSA. The office of the U.S.' Secretary of Transportation is a 'cabinet position' along with the U.S. Postmaster General.

The United States Secretary of Transportation is the head of the United States Department of Transportation, a member of the President's Cabinet, and fourteenth in the Presidential line of succession.[1] The post was created with the formation of the Department of Transportation on October 15, 1966, by President Lyndon B. Johnson's signing of the Department of Transportation Act.[2] The Department's mission is "to develop and coordinate policies that will provide an efficient and economical national transportation system, with due regard for need, the environment, and the national defense."[2] The Secretary of Transportation oversees eleven agencies, including the Federal Aviation Administration, the Federal Highway Administration, and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.[2] In April 2008, Mary Peters launched the official blog of the Secretary of Transportation called The Fast Lane.[3] (Wikipedia)

But they appear to be in charge of a whole host of alphabet agencies.

Thusly, the USDOT # is issued by the organization that run the FAA and apparently used to run the TSA until March 25, 2003. Apparently the U.S. Coast Guard was transferred to the US Department of Transportation in 1967 and to the DHS in 2003.

[Treefarmer]

The license is a permit to be in possession of State property. If you get that then you much more insight ought to follow. As has been related before, to become a cop in State of Pennsylvania a person has to have a Pennsylvania driver license? Why? To take the part of the mandated training for police car operations, you need permission to be in possession of District-State property. Otherwise, how can you 'legally' 'drive' a police car?

So, to recap what we have discussed here and elsewhere previously:
We are led to believe by parents, schools, lawyers, clergy, and certain government employees that we must "register" our automobiles with the State DMV or County as the case may be, at which point we have to pay taxes for the privilege, and we receive a "Certificate of Title" in return and a registration plate which has to be renewed every year, at a cost.
Then we need to apply for a DL in order to "drive" our "vehicle."
We also have to have insurance for each of our "vehicles" which is just money down the drain for most of us. (It's nice to have when you actually need it and the insurance company makes good on a claim, which doesn't always happen of course).

But all this is really unnecessary if one wants to travel for private purposes, not transporting paying "passengers" or "cargo" or for any other commercial purpose?
What about accident liability?
What are the options for handling claims arising from accidental collisions and such, in a private setting?

[Treefarmer]

DOT website says:

"Coast Guard and Transportation Security Agency have transferred to the Department of Homeland Security. Older press releases may be found by searching the archives. "

[allodial]

So, to recap what we have discussed here and elsewhere previously:
We are led to believe by parents, schools, lawyers, clergy, and certain government employees that we must "register" our automobiles with the State DMV or County as the case may be, at which point we have to pay taxes for the privilege, and we receive a "Certificate of Title" in return and a registration plate which has to be renewed every year, at a cost.
Then we need to apply for a DL in order to "drive" our "vehicle."
We also have to have insurance for each of our "vehicles" which is just money down the drain for most of us. (It's nice to have when you actually need it and the insurance company makes good on a claim, which doesn't always happen of course).

But all this is really unnecessary if one wants to travel for private purposes, not transporting paying "passengers" or "cargo" or for any other commercial purpose?
What about accident liability?
What are the options for handling claims arising from accidental collisions and such, in a private setting?

Keep in mind as to the variations between one circumstance and another. Are you a resident of any State of the United States? Are you a public citizen of any State of the United States? Is a 'vehicle' still 'attached' to a car note? Is the automobile paid for? How has the State-level registration been dealt with, if any?

As for 'financial responsibility' there a variety of insurance /bonding options available. Afterall, Interstate trucking companies have insurance/bonds no? If you do a random search on the USDOT website, you should be able to find insurance and bonding records associated with most any given USDOT #.

http://li-public.fmcsa.dot.gov/LIVIEW/pkg_carrquery.prc_carrlist

When a 'motor vehicle' is under a car note, so to speak, its likely deemed to be under a lease until its paid off. The so-called 'lender' owns the car. If the lender is a public company like GMAC or w/e...go figure. The insurance required of you is perhaps for protecting GMAC *not you*. Once the note is paid GMAC's lien comes off the title, perhaps at that point there isn't even any need for a State title. Does the State tell you this? Well why would they tell you that and lose out on $$$$$$$$$$$$$? The GMAC folks want you to have State tags so that they can easily find the 'vehicle' easily. If you take the plates off a car with a note on it, they might assume that you are out to commit larceny. Not a good idea, eh? Now if you want the service of having your automobile protected by the State, perhaps you need to make it State property at least partially? However, if you don't want that service....

I've talked with 'DMV heads' and was told that if a car is being sold or xferred to a state/country where registration isn't required, a notice of the sale would suffice to the DMV. Of course, if the 'address' of the "owner" is something like 100 MAIN ST, SCHENECTADY, NY 12345 perhaps that's a lot different situation than for an address of, say: private 100 Main street, near Chicago, Illinois not domestic? A city is public no?

The point is to obviate that there are or can be various layers to all of this.