Building without a permit, driving without a license: The Tom Hyland Lifestyle

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  • loveunderlaw
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 315

    #1

    Building without a permit, driving without a license: The Tom Hyland Lifestyle

    Adam sits down with Tom Hyland to get his incredible story of asserting his freedom of movement (driving without a license or registration) in a house that he built himself without a permit.

    Last edited by loveunderlaw; 09-28-15, 10:32 PM.
  • allodial
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 2866

    #2
    I know of someone that went through a similar situation. Judge insisted that he get a license. He went and tried to get one without an SSN, etc, etc (he lacked an SSN). The DMV said he was ineligible. The judge was shown this said replied "Why didn't you tell me that you were ineligible?"
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    • EZrhythm
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 257

      #3
      I remember you sharing that instance a long long time ago on a forum far far away.

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      • walter
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 662

        #4
        you need a SSN for a DL in the states?
        not in canada,
        you need their issued ID for a DL. the BC.
        funny thing is the BC is not meant as ID.

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        • allodial
          Senior Member
          • May 2011
          • 2866

          #5
          Originally posted by walter View Post
          you need a SSN for a DL in the states?
          not in canada,
          you need their issued ID for a DL. the BC.
          funny thing is the BC is not meant as ID.
          The BC identifies the estate. Passport, Driver licenses, State ID identifies the fiduciary. If you don't have a BC or an SSN then you are ineligible. If you dont have a BC in Canada then you tell them that and have them put it in writing that you are ineligible. Alternatively, you can use family birth records or family bible birth entries (certified copy). Lacking residence in the States I am ineligible according to all of the DMVs that I know of--they only issue driver's licenses to residents.

          Originally posted by EZrhythm View Post
          I remember you sharing that instance a long long time ago on a forum far far away.
          Ah the nostalgia.
          Last edited by allodial; 10-01-15, 02:43 AM.
          All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

          "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
          "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
          Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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          • walter
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2012
            • 662

            #6
            He may use one or more of the given names stated in his act of birth.

            1991, c. 64, a. 55.

            56. A person who uses a name other than his or her own is liable for any resulting confusion or injury.

            The holder of a name as well as his or her married or civil union spouse or close relatives may object to such use and demand redress for the injury caused.

            1991, c. 64, a. 56; 2002, c. 6, s. 2; I.N. 2014-05-01.



            ineligible because we don't have a last NAME.

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            • allodial
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 2866

              #7
              Originally posted by walter View Post
              He may use one or more of the given names stated in his act of birth.

              1991, c. 64, a. 55.

              56. A person who uses a name other than his or her own is liable for any resulting confusion or injury.

              The holder of a name as well as his or her married or civil union spouse or close relatives may object to such use and demand redress for the injury caused.

              1991, c. 64, a. 56; 2002, c. 6, s. 2; I.N. 2014-05-01.



              ineligible because we don't have a last NAME.
              Applies to "persons" or "parishioners"? Isn't Quebec a Napoleonic Code jurisdiction?
              All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

              "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
              "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
              Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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              • BLBereans
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2014
                • 275

                #8
                Is not man unlimited in capacity? If a man chooses, a man may act in person, or not, depending upon whether a man decides it is a benefit to do so or not.

                Likewise, a man may choose to operate under a license (or in office) or not. Is a cop called "Officer Smith" when he returns home to his or her family even tough he or she may still be wearing the uniform?



                "License and Registration"

                "I do not understand; I am a man, with my property, going from point A to point B"

                "This car has license plates on it"

                "It also has windshield wipers on it, however, I'm not using those right now either."

                "License and Registration"

                "Is that an order?"

                "Yes"

                "Are you authorized to handle State property?

                "Yes"

                "Then here you go, these are essentially yours anyway"

                "Here is your citation, blah, blah, blah..."

                "Thank you; remember that I will call on your witness testimony, if necessary."

                The rest is a matter of whether one is able to still be a man leading up to and while in court (if necessary) and remain in that capacity throughout the process. If not, you will lose.

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                • EZrhythm
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 257

                  #9
                  Why go through that dialog when you could have this one?

                  "Papers please."

                  "There are no papers, the title has been "junked"."

                  "Don't you think you need to have registration?"

                  "No, not while going to the store."

                  "Are you one of those who doesn't believe you need to be registered?"

                  "No. Not while going to the store."

                  "OK, I won't f#&k with you. Have a nice day."

                  -True story. Plate displayed at the time stated, "PRIVATE PROPERTY - CONSUMER GOODS - NO LICENSE REQUIRED"
                  Last edited by EZrhythm; 10-04-15, 09:30 PM.

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                  • loveunderlaw
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 315

                    #10
                    Originally posted by EZrhythm View Post
                    Why go through that dialog when you could have this one?

                    "Papers please."

                    "There are no papers, the title has been "junked"."

                    "Don't you think you need to have registration?"

                    "No, not while going to the store."

                    "Are you one of those who doesn't believe you need to be registered?"

                    "No. Not while going to the store."

                    "OK, I won't f#&k with you. Have a nice day."

                    -True story. Plate displayed at the time stated, "PRIVATE PROPERTY - CONSUMER GOODS - NO LICENSE REQUIRED"

                    I love this approach, it works every time And if your rights are violated , then you've got a sure win in court.

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                    • walter
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 662

                      #11
                      Originally posted by allodial View Post
                      Applies to "persons" or "parishioners"? Isn't Quebec a Napoleonic Code jurisdiction?
                      YES it is.
                      Louisiana is also and they have a Civil Code as well.
                      Great info in those Civil Codes.
                      States right in them that we can only use the given names other wise we are liable.
                      Now can you get a DL without a last NAME?
                      No way.
                      So we don't qualify for that benefit right from the start unless we use someone else property.

                      A good question to ask the agency would be can one get a DL with someone else last NAME?

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                      • BLBereans
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2014
                        • 275

                        #12
                        Originally posted by EZrhythm View Post
                        Why go through that dialog when you could have this one?

                        "Papers please."

                        "There are no papers, the title has been "junked"."

                        "Don't you think you need to have registration?"

                        "No, not while going to the store."

                        "Are you one of those who doesn't believe you need to be registered?"

                        "No. Not while going to the store."

                        "OK, I won't f#&k with you. Have a nice day."

                        -True story. Plate displayed at the time stated, "PRIVATE PROPERTY - CONSUMER GOODS - NO LICENSE REQUIRED"
                        Many people can claim "true story" where others may not find the same result doing the same thing.

                        I see claims being made in your responses that cannot be proven as stated. "...not while going to the store..." doesn't seem like the best answer. Also, why "junk" the title? Seems like it may come in handy at some point. The title is not yours anyway; who holds the original?

                        The responses I offered cannot be refuted.

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                        • walter
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2012
                          • 662

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BLBereans View Post
                          why "junk" the title? Seems like it may come in handy at some point. The title is not yours anyway; who holds the original?
                          If title is junked, then the claim is junked.
                          They hold MSO because it was given to them to register.
                          When you junk it they destroy the MSO. Then no one has the original.
                          They destroyed their claim.
                          Then go to a mechanic and get a safety inspection after title has been junked.
                          Now you have a trained professional in their jurisdiction signing off on the safely of the car and the title/claim is no where to be found.
                          Car meets safety standards so no issues there.
                          This fallows the rules of junkyards and importing regulations.

                          Also UCC and PPSA (canada) on car # has some effects.
                          I know of a truck that was sold after it was put on a PPSA and the buyer had to track down the seller after the fact and ask him to remove the PPSA because he couldn't register it. The seller forgot he did it and sold it with it still in place.
                          With that said then can a tow truck drive do anything with your car if it had a PPSA or UCC on it?
                          My thinking is he is screwed because now he can't hold it and collect yard fees and he can't destroy it because he can't junk the title.

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                          • allodial
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 2866

                            #14
                            Originally posted by walter View Post
                            YES it is.
                            Louisiana is also and they have a Civil Code as well.
                            Great info in those Civil Codes.
                            States right in them that we can only use the given names other wise we are liable.
                            Now can you get a DL without a last NAME?
                            No way.
                            So we don't qualify for that benefit right from the start unless we use someone else property.

                            A good question to ask the agency would be can one get a DL with someone else last NAME?
                            The restriction is on adopting the name and particulars of someone (i.e. fraud or identity theft). It has been explained that holding a driver license is akin to holding a U.S. Merchant Marine ID Card but instead you're a member of the State Merchant Marine sailing seas of asphalt. If you look at most any military or paramilitary dress the LAST NAME tends to be the only thing on the breastplate. When a well-known monarch was worked as an ambulance driver he/she had a last name. When he/she stopped (i.e. retired --has nothing to do with age..retiring is exiting the public service) he/she ceased to have a last name. (Elizabeth Mountbatten-Winsdor was the name Elizabeth worked under).
                            All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

                            "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
                            "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
                            Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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                            • Chex
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2011
                              • 1032

                              #15
                              These same royals could also affix to themselves the surname "Spaghetti," if they so desired, but there's nothing statutory about either.
                              "And if I could I surely would Stand on the rock that Moses stood"

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