Abraham & Sarah Never Happened?

[george]

hi everyone,

this is a video I found while searching melchezidek on GLP, Ive seen this mans videos before but not too familiar with him. the reason I wanted to share it here is a syncronistic one because he touches on several things that have been discussed here recently.

he says abram lies about sara being his sister and sara was actually his wife. David has been writing about this guilt thing from incest about this but if sara was arbrams wife then that (incest/guilt) doesnt fit.


he also talks about the literal vs allegorical interpretations and shows how the bible has mistake written in so that a keen reader can identify mistakes and in that way realize it is to be taken allegorically instead of literally.

he provides several references to scriptures about these things too.


might be worth a look and some discussion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dH2bWKPoS_U

anyone here more fami8liar with this man in the video?

[allodial]

The Abraham and Sarah story match Ancient (Old Dynasty) Egyptian historical customs very well. Abraham was more than likely royalty (his father was high level in his society). Abraham being royalty is perhaps why the Pharaoh showed him respect. It might be that many of those trying to rip out the significance of the Bible have something sinister in store for mankind, though they pretend to be 'angels of light'.

The guy over at Bet Emet Ministries has far more interesting things to say IMHO (especially because he proves the historicity and gets into nuances of Ancient Egyptian history though he IMHO goes too too far and his words are often 'packed' or 'loaded') although from what I gather he is off in timings and seems fixated on telling his own story. He ignores the evidence of Imhotep (even Hollywood probably knows Imhotep is Joseph and they made a movie to slander or obscure the the truth). (From what I recall he is convinced of Yuya being Joseph rather than Imhotep. That kind of thing helps missive theories seem kosher and compresses time far too much.) In other words, the Bible the Israelites took Joseph's body from where it was kept. To this very day Imhotep's body is missing from the place it was supposed to be. They know so very well they made a horror film about Imhotep (the missing mummy body).

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From Genesis 50, ESV.

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From Exodus 13, ESV.

For fun, ask the guy to prove that Abraham and Sarah would have had a reason to feel guilty? Does the Mosaic law regard marriage between half brother and half sister to be incest? Why would Abraham feel guilty of Mosaic law when the Mosaic covenant was yet given? So he is holding Abraham guilty ex post facto? Abraham was not an Israelite! Nor was he of the house of Judah. Judah was yet born.

What they are doing is like someone in the USA reading the Bible about Abraham traveling in a chariot at the speed of 80 MPH and then looking at their own local speed limit (thousands of years later) at this time and coming to the conclusion that Abraham should have felt guilty because the speed limit is clearly 65 (i.e. projecting the laws of a U.S. State municipality onto Abraham. Oh boy.)

she is indeed my sister, the daughter of my father though not the daughter of my mother, and she became my wife.

P.S. In Egyptian, Abraham would be Mayebre or Mamayebra. Once you dig far enough into Egyptology you might find that most of the lies told are to told to prevent people from seeing that the Bible is relating historical fact. Furthermore, when one regards all of the area from Ethiopia to Egypt to the Indus Valley to have been touched by the same religions beliefs (if you study deep enough the SE Asian martial arts the trail will lead back to the Indus Valley and eventually back to Egypt and Ethiopia...it is said that Egypt and India were provinces of Ethiopia), then it becomes clear why Sarah and Abraham were even known of in Ancient Hindu culture. To say that they never existed is going to be a challenge to prove up against the mighty mountains of historical evidence.

Also, on the note of incest, if marrying a half sister would only serve to amplify sinful nature you definitely would want to prohibit that, wouldn't you?

Also, equating Joseph with Yuya might be a way of "robbing the clock". By "robbing the clock" of a few thousand years (Djoser is said to have reigned around 2600BC as opposed to Yuya at 1350 BC), the calculations for Daniel's prophecy would be thrown off in favor of futurists and Jesus-deniers so that the timings would fail to fit perfectly with Jesus Christ's birth around 0AD.

It might also be worth noting that the corrupted Egyptian systems came to hate Moses and his God and that hatred may have found its way into those Mystery Schools that follow after the post-Mosaic mystery schools of Egypt.

Related:

• Abraham Son of A Sumerian Oracle Priest
• Meet Joseph aka Imhotep (under Djoser's Reign)
• Was Abraham A Pharoah of Egypt?

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[allodial]

EGYPT, was the first world power of Bible history.

Egypt or Het-ka-Ptah or "House of the Soul of Ptah"...House of the Soul of the Father/Potter?

Related:

• The Memphite Theology
• Genesis 1-2 In Light Of Ancient Egyptian Creation Myths

[Michael Joseph]

hi everyone,

this is a video I found while searching melchezidek on GLP, Ive seen this mans videos before but not too familiar with him. the reason I wanted to share it here is a syncronistic one because he touches on several things that have been discussed here recently.

he says abram lies about sara being his sister and sara was actually his wife. David has been writing about this guilt thing from incest about this but if sara was arbrams wife then that (incest/guilt) doesnt fit.


he also talks about the literal vs allegorical interpretations and shows how the bible has mistake written in so that a keen reader can identify mistakes and in that way realize it is to be taken allegorically instead of literally.

he provides several references to scriptures about these things too.


might be worth a look and some discussion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dH2bWKPoS_U

anyone here more fami8liar with this man in the video?

Bill Donahue is a fantastic teacher. Consider for a moment why is it so important that this man and woman lived? If Christ who is paramount is to be formed in man[kind] then the Scripture is clearly talking about a metaphysical forming. Therefore, while at Galations the Scripture clearly says these things are allegories...that does not mean these folks did not exist. But then it does not mean they existed either.

The question in my mind is why does it matter? Consider the "seat of the soul" is the Pineal in man. Clearly this is a physical application - The Way - which activates this Pine Cone such that the sand becomes rock. Another way to look at it, in my point of view only, is to say I too was once a thought being. In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God and The Word was God. And The Word became flesh. I find myself in flesh.

If you enjoy Bill Donahue, then you will enjoy Joel Goldsmith. Click Here for an example teaching.

As with all things, weigh them in the balance of your mind.

If you want to learn a tremendous amount on Melchizedek,this site - Click Here - may be a help to you. I was amazed how I had read and studied Scripture but that there are levels of understanding. The depth of the Scriptures regarding Wisdom is truly amazing.

Shalom,
MJ

[allodial]

The OT personalities acted out things that we can look back upon and analyze as types and shadows of things to come or things which have already come. Much like a teenager passes through puberty is like crossing a threshold and the same with a making a marriage bond, the very rites of passage aren't necessarily diminished because they have a higher meaning associated with them.

As for Melchizedek, there are quite a few who have made a link between Melchizedek and Krishna. Of course, there are those who point to Shem.

Abraham having been called out was clearly learning more richly what and who he had become. The Sarah and Hagar paradigm is still carried on in the prohibition of saints marrying non-believers. Allegorical does not make something fictional.

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[David Merrill]

hi everyone,

this is a video I found while searching melchezidek on GLP, Ive seen this mans videos before but not too familiar with him. the reason I wanted to share it here is a syncronistic one because he touches on several things that have been discussed here recently.

he says abram lies about sara being his sister and sara was actually his wife. David has been writing about this guilt thing from incest about this but if sara was arbrams wife then that (incest/guilt) doesnt fit.


he also talks about the literal vs allegorical interpretations and shows how the bible has mistake written in so that a keen reader can identify mistakes and in that way realize it is to be taken allegorically instead of literally.

he provides several references to scriptures about these things too.


might be worth a look and some discussion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dH2bWKPoS_U

anyone here more fami8liar with this man in the video?

It is of course my opinion but after spending some time reading the scripture itself and then going over some commentary too. For me, it certainly fits that Abraham is riddled with guilt rather than God being so insecure about Abraham's faith as to be ordering the pubescent Isaac slaughtered like a sacrificial lamb. It explains quite a bit more in that Isaac was reaching puberty, the point in life where he might begin procreating and reproducing the abomination of the incest. Plus Abraham's guilt would be compounded by his allowing Sarah to drive Hagar from the home and to her death by dehydration. - Ishmael, Abraham's genetically sound son survived to sire twelve Arab nations, all of which seem to be holding an inherent grudge against Israel to the day...

In my opinion, Moses is more likely an allegorical figure than Abraham. Sargon would be the origin of the metaphor about surviving in a pitched basket and then rescued from the river to become a leader.


The Gospel of Thomas - Opening Lines:

The Gospel of Thomas

These are the secret words which the Living Jesus spoke and Didymos Judas Thomas wrote.


And He said: Whoever finds the explanation of these words will not taste death. Jesus said: Let him who seeks, not cease seeking until he finds, and when he finds, he will be troubled, and when he has been troubled, he will marvel and he will reign over the All. "Jesus said: If those who lead you say to you: "See, the Kingdom is in heaven", then the birds of the heaven will precede you. If they say to you: "It is in the sea", then the fish will precede you. But the Kingdom is within you and it is without you. If you will know yourselves, then you will be known and you will know that you are the sons of the Living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty and you are poverty.

For fun, ask the guy to prove that Abraham and Sarah would have had a reason to feel guilty? Does the Mosaic law regard marriage between half brother and half sister to be incest?

Yes. The Levitical laws do. The laws about marriage say that the closest man and wife may be is cousins and that is why so many theologians resort to the euphemism that half-sister means cousins, Sarah being the daughter of Lot. The premise is that no body of law can be permanent if it does not agree with natural law.

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Abraham being the father of all Nations. Allegorical speaking too form Royal Bloodlines with incestuous relations is not the service of God. Two seeds one has zero guilt one has too accept guilt building guilt and unbuilding guilt, Abraham reaps what he alone has sewn.

[David Merrill]

wo seeds one has zero guilt one has to(o) accept guilt building guilt and unbuilding guilt

I have not used that wording before. I like it. Building and unbuilding guilt!

I think I have been calling it commercial priestcraft. Thank you more than I can express for a simpler language!

[In Jubilee]

In this video about demigods and demons, did Bill say "I'm not allowed to tell you about that"? this is at to 20 sec mark. If so, who is not allowing him to tell us about demons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-oAykZmfk

[David Merrill]

Somebody in the audience throws something out, a word or concept. Bill says, I don't have to tell you about that. I get the impression it is an inside joke between Bill and the fellow in the audience.

[george]

hi everyone,

thanks for all of your replys, Im sorry I did not comment sooner but alot is happening here and my internet is flakey right now too.

Ive been led to something that I am reading now that was written in 1700:

http://www.passtheword.org/Jane-Lead/warsofdavid.htm#s26

as soon as I started reading I felt the need to share it here! I havnt even finished reading yet either.

thanks

[allodial]

Also here in PDF and other formats: https://archive.org/details/warsdavidandpea00leadgoog.

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All Men and Myths are created equal.Its a property protection racket mystery schools do they hold keys too faith . Mans soul has been created equal only to his potter himself .Bible is a living estimate on a lost people [us] in search of soul. God providing man with a soul. ones inheritance and why only God can rest a soul only Man can torment it.Building cathedrals higher is the our first torment.Truth is built into each soul Hate is built from that truth.Christ was hated each biblical word can be debated yet all truth can be abated.Search is what a soul was intended for, calm down we have eternity.Hey loddial between Hank Williams pain songs Newbury's train songs and blue eyes crying in the rain. Like father like son. Man has inherited the ability to affect his world creatively, for better or for worse.The song and the dance. life cant sell ya both thanx the links and your ability to affect old singers and dancers like me.