Abraham & Sarah Never Happened?

[BLBereans]

While we may not be able to fully know the full scope of God and His complete being, we are His "imagers" and He meets us where, and as, we are. That was the very reason for Him incarnating in the form of Jesus of Nazareth; we needed His intervention and He answered according to our needs.

We are created in His image, which is to say that we are His representatives on earth and our goal is to do as He would do as best we can. We are to fulfill His Will and follow His Way so as to reclaim the lost souls who have been coerced and deceived by the Adversary. Our news is good news and we are to spread that message throughout our lives as emulated by our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ.

We require His saving grace so as to avoid the wages of sin which is death, forever. Man has transgressed and the world is in a state of corruption as a result. We cannot avoid sinning and our only Way out is to accept the generous gift offered as our redemption.

Those who claim they do not sin are fooling themselves and will have to account for themselves in the end. There will be no covering and there will be no concession. That is a position everyone will regret when and if that time comes.

Realize now that YOUR way is the WRONG way and our Lord and Savior has provided cover for you if you will only accept it.

[David Merrill]

What an enjoyable post Michael Joseph!

In my opinion most religions carry only the symbols of the LARGE fishes caught by Peter [the church]. But the true meaning of said Large fishes remain only, at this time, with God's Elect. For a fish is wisdom and the Large Fish [153] have the deeper understandings of the Kingdom of God "couched" or "hidden" in the physical holographic existence.

When I spoke that the Passover Lamb's blood is for identification (on the doorposts) rather than as a sacrifice, using the instruction that if a family was so small they could not finish the lamb in one setting they pool together with a neighbor family, the churchman countered with:

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:

He realized that he made my point for me. We come into the higher priesthood of Melchizedek through election.

A week later he had deduced that it does not matter because Jesus is ultimately the Answer, if not the ultimate Sacrifice. No reason to argue about it...

I find that people think I insult Paul because he spent three years researching with the King up in Damascus, going abroad into Asia Minor to field test how this survival could be misconstrued into a Resurrection (according to Zechariah). Some feel it robs CHRIST of divinity when I see it as opening up the divinity of CHRIST and making it available to all who seek truth, and even those who don't are simply delaying it inside an illusion called time.

Some of your post rings out with the truth that Antipas was caught in adultery with Philip's wife, and supposing Archelaus had died Jesus, the bastard was properly crowned by the Prophet John BAPTIST and would have had a go, had he only overlooked the usury of contracting the kosher coinage (overturning the moneychangers' tables). The first thing Jesus did was convict the sitting Tetrarch and the entire priesthood of high crimes against God. This is a good start but it seems likely Jesus laid low hoping God would come through with some enforcement. Ergo the Book of Mark is actually the Parable of Mark designed to preserve the Crown for Jesus or at least for his Bloodline.

This rendition and interpretation being realistic is much more fascinating to me than supernatural events requiring faith. But then again, I programmed optimum resonance for the naturally occurring isotopes and out came the Names of God and Jesus! So I really don't need a supernatural God. God spoke to me, and told me His Name is in everything.

State Court Prayer.

All in all I actually doubt that I have insulted anybody. If you are faithful I am sure that you are more so now, if anything.

[allodial]

Re: The supernatural
While false teachings and systems based on a 'vain show of religiosity' might convince some men of the supernatural being out of reach, that is not what the Bible teaches. The resurrection is important because it asserts the subordinate mode of the physical realm. There is a big difference between superimposing false, lofty, vain concepts of out-of-reach 'powers' or 'gods' on the Bible and the true supernatural power and holy of a God that is not a far off god. The Bible does not teach of a far off god that must be 'sought' through a tiny pincushion sized hole managed by an 'Elite Religiosity Corps'. The idea of supernatural as in "some far off unreachable notions" is one thing. But that isn't what the resurrection imposes.

Re: Bloodline
The spiritual bloodline is mentioned at Matthew 12:15:

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. --Matthew 12:50

"For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother." --Mark 3:35

The emphasis on or allusion to any physical bloodline is questionable.

1. direct peer in the holy work
2. sister also does the holy work but is covered by the brother, father
3. nurturing, sustaining --the congregation members can act together as a mother to its members (doctrinal milk, meat and water)

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Source: The Kingdom of God, by Alexander Balmain Bruce

By extrapolating, extracting and protecting the nurturing nature of the Father out to some far off, the Christ's assembly would be excoriated of its maternal aspects, the attendees being like schoolchildren set out to compete with each other rather than being those who ought to be eager to nurture and uphold one other with God's help. That is, not only do the underminers seek to distance the Father, they also aim to obscure the maternal aspects--they elected for an impersonal, far off god and so they got it, but also want everyone else to have the same.

[David Merrill]

Re: The supernatural
While false teachings and systems based on a 'vain show of religiosity' might convince some men of the supernatural being out of reach, that is not what the Bible teaches. The resurrection is important because it asserts the subordinate mode of the physical realm. There is a big difference between superimposing false, lofty, vain concepts of out-of-reach 'powers' or 'gods' on the Bible and the true supernatural power and holy of a God that is not a far off god. The Bible does not teach of a far off god that must be 'sought' through a tiny pincushion sized hole managed by an 'Elite Religiosity Corps'. The idea of supernatural as in "some far off unreachable notions" is one thing. But that isn't what the resurrection imposes.

I like that. Thank you Allodial.

[xparte]

Trying to hold my fears..
All my memories hunting me,
my future, my past... colliding together in one.
Wondering what could happen, what should I do to make it go away?
I wonder in sorrow, I feel so weak,
desperate to be just me as others see me..
My faith holds me as reality won't let me rest
faith is this all could end sometime
but in my darkness moments, not yet darkest
alone I am not anymore to just let go of me..
My emotions are Crying out-loud but just make me feel weaker
Truly,i wish they,de just let go of me..
The best of you will come,
time will dictate your path in our world
your future in already written,
simply believe that all that happens and
have a reason to be as it is now in your heart.
Each path have to go on a separate way,
we know the truth but can't hide it anymore,
Faith in others, we need to go our way..
Broken heart, empty heart..its not you its
Just me..Christ /as best i can define my gospel without knowledge of Me i will never find you .

[David Merrill]

Beautiful!

That covers some important mental explorations about separateness.

[allodial]

Ah, it might be most inappropriate to fail to mention that the Egyptians of the Exodus period were said to have seen Moses as practicing sorcery, witchcraft and to be evil. It is interesting that similar views would be had concerning Jesus the Anointed/Christ by those who opposed him. Could some parallel or relationship exist between those who Moses encountered as hostile to Israel and those who Jesus encountered as hostile. On that note, begs the question: is are the terms 'Herod' and 'Pharaoh' somehow related or even synonymous?

Of course those who see a "true god" as being impersonal and disinterested in the physical realm(s) might also completely shun the idea of a "true god" intervening in "goings on" in physical realm(s). Now if their view of the physical realm is based on the idea of 'matter' being evil, then I suppose that their view of an "impersonal god" would make sense. I'm not sure how matter can be evil being any more than a pair of sunglasses or a rock could be evil.

[xparte]

Let us make him in our own image well separateness.

[xparte]

what let us image was God going for the evil one the good one lonely one sad one, is Christ painting a picture with his the only true image of God Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness why we know his first creation fell short of this image or like us cant live up to Christ's image either so heaven had a war with its image or ours .

[BLBereans]

what let us image was God going for the evil one the good one lonely one sad one, is Christ painting a picture with his the only true image of God Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness why we know his first creation fell short of this image or like us cant live up to Christ's image either so heaven had a war with its image or ours .

Interesting question. I guess it all depends upon how you define "image" and if you believe there exists a supernatural being, higher than us, who is our Creator.

In my opinion, we were made in his likeness or "image" in that we have the choice to do evil or not. God makes choices and ALWAYS chooses good and righteousness. He gave us that ability as well, to choose, yet we are a bit lower than Him as creation must be by definition. Therefore, the fact that we choose unwisely or choose to go against His Will does NOT mean God is at war Himself. He is NOT a programmed robot and neither are we - choosing to love and be righteous makes those things relevant.

Like a loving Father, He is patient and loves His children even when the wrong choices are made. Only willful defiance and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable since that is an eternal choice to do as YOU will rather than do as He Wills. That choice is tantamount to allegiance to one's SELF and to be at the service of the Adversary with knowing and willing intent - choosing another master/god.

[xparte]

Our image is eternal i believe Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness Gods first creation externalized man to give external existence or form to.
"elements of the internal construction were externalized onto the facade that pharoes popes kings are that image Im asking what does {let us make means mankind in our image, in our likeness} could it mean following graven images willful defiance of the being demoted into mankind God had a democracy in heaven mankind is the better image only in Christ . Adversary giving effect and facade is as far as it goes God lets his thoughts known as ours are only choice. BLB willing intent not Gods will.I am convinced mans adversarial effect is on himself and mankind. God has no Adversary so we created one for ourselves .I appreciate your patience BLB, as my image is my own Adversary with Christ no two thieves are the same its that worst enemy image sale .

[DEfiat]

I know a guy whose teenage boy was showing interest in a certain teenage girl. The father objected and discouraged a relationship. The son persisted and saw no reason he shouldn't date the girl. Finally the father shared his big secret with his son: he had fathered some children out of wedlock and the girl was his half-sister.

[David Merrill]

It makes me wonder - Was it love at first sight?

[allodial]

I know a guy whose teenage boy was showing interest in a certain teenage girl. The father objected and discouraged a relationship. The son persisted and saw no reason he shouldn't date the girl. Finally the father shared his big secret with his son: he had fathered some children out of wedlock and the girl was his half-sister.

Many a time has this happened. A half sister and half brother are highly attracted to each other and don't even know why--get married, etc.

[xparte]

Abram living in the house of Shem being taught the law of God. So Abraham knew God's law very well and would have known it was improper for him to marry his sister. Sarah was actually Abraham's niece. Leviticus 18 does not prohibit the marriage of a man and his niece. So it is helpful to remember how Abraham understood the word sister when reading the following.And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.Lot is called Abram's brother. So one might suggest that in Abram's day the word brother could be understood to also include nephews. Let me suggest that the same is true for the word sister.And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram's wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughters of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah.Jasher 12:44
And at that time Nahor and Abram took unto themselves wives, the daughters of their brother Haran; God being Abrams Dad thus Sarai was daughter of his father God. Sons of man did this took daughters unto themselves as wives that union needed a flood? can some one tell me what the word us or who the word US is in reference too let us make mankind in our image?