Can God die

[Frederick Burrell]

There is only one thing that won't be forgiven, what is it.

Faith is good but experience surpasses faith. I cannot convince you of who I am but I can encourage you to experience it for yourself. Know thyself and unto thyself be true.

Once you experience Self then the meaning of scripture becomes clear as another is Christed.

I travail in birth pains until Christ be formed in you. Frederick Burrell

[Michael Joseph]

There is only one thing that won't be forgiven, what is it.

Faith is good but experience surpasses faith. I cannot convince you of who I am but I can encourage you to experience it for yourself. Know thyself and unto thyself be true.

Once you experience Self then the meaning of scripture becomes clear as another is Christed.

I travail in birth pains until Christ be formed in you. Frederick Burrell

My Opinion:

not allowing the Holy Spirit to speak at the at the trials - before Fake Jesus and his minions = Unforgivable sin.

only the Elect can commit it.

Thank you for participating on this thread.

[David Merrill]

Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Not that I would wish imprisonment upon any man;

This passage shows a nearly consistent validation from Inside though. You watch the inmate go to court armed with this passage and when he comes back, he is often acquitted or his case is dismissed.

[Axe]

There is a reason, yet the KJV readers will Never see it.

I hear you say.

I like Enoch stand before the Ever Living and say "I want to know". And the Angel told Enoch, because you want to know, I will show you.

Seems to contradict yourself.

Is not the same revelation available then by your logic available to those readers of the canon?

Truth is truth. How it is revealed to each soul is unique.

My belief is not that one should not read anything else. Rather it is based on an assurance from Him
of Truth. That assurance is only available from one source.

This is not to say that all other sources are false or even unreliable, but when betting eternity with God
on a belief, I will only take as Truth that which was promised by Him.

Original sin permeates the entirety of this world and all in it. This world has a delegated ruler, but he
is not my master. He is the author of confusion and the father of lies. Therefore the "student" takes
a great risk by "accepting for value" anything from the god of this world.

There is only one work that is assured and promised to be free from this corruption.

One does not have to worship Satan to lose eternity with God. One only has to be on ANY OTHER
path than the one God has explicitly set forth.

Truth is universal. One may have to believe for a time, until science is able to show or
explain it. That it can't be proved today, does not mean it won't be proved tomorrow.

The very existence of the Bible codes supports my thesis. Taken from the original Hebrew of the Tora.

Again a simple matter of science not being "up to speed" with what God has already laid forth to
follow.

Satan had sex with Chavvah (Eve) and produced Cain.

Sure it's in there. It's called the serpent seed doctrine and it doesn't hold water.

This doctrine states that the representation of the "tree" is Satan, and Eve "ate of the tree"
being "had sex", and that explains why God speaks to her the way he does when dispensing
the Curse of Adam.

The only problem is that people who believe that leave out the one small peace of text that
tears the whole thing down.

"and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

So... what, after Eve had sex with Satan then Adam did too? C'mon.

The Gnostics should not be studied in the context of Salvation simply because they are inconsistent
and all over the place.

From the book of enoch which you quoted;

The story says that Satan refused to bow to Adam due to pride. Satan said that Adam was
inferior to him as he was made of fire, whereas Adam was made of clay. This refusal led to
the fall of Satan.

Not so surprisingly some of these are clung to by the sons of Ishmael. All go to the overthrow
of God's Holy Mountain, Satan's obsession.

No, I will not consider these with equal weight as the Holy Scriptures if I bother to consider them at all.

"Studying" such things in my opinion does not make one "enlightened", it simply garners more confusion.

Who is the author of confusion? I'll wait.

Not unlike the reason most of us are on this forum.

Through "words" or lack thereof that have imprisoned us where we are today. Who is so cunning to devise
such an empire as this? Only one with the motive, ability and opportunity.

[Axe]

There is only one thing that won't be forgiven, what is it.

Matt. 12:31-32 Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come

[Michael Joseph]

I suppose to each his own. I shall, in the coming days, attempt to address this issue in the Garden, going to the Hebrew and the Greek Texts. However, initially I shall point the student to Gen 5 and ask where is Cain in Eth-ha-aw-dawm's Geneology?

Furtheremore, I shall ask the reader - did Eth-ha-aw-dawm and Chavvah put fig leaves over their mouths or over their groin? And, why in the world - would their be any mention of the womans conception? Yet, i will not just go to the KJV, I will go to the text that that version is based upon and let us decide.

The claim is that the serpent's seed doctrine is false. Let us see.

I agree that all matters must be tested to see if they stand or are found wanting. So let us test this particular matter to see - if Scripture can support the Serpent Seed doctrine or not.

The canonized version asks the question - paraphasing - who shall search the Word of Truth to its depths to reveal its mysteries - Here am I. As are you.

Thank you for engaging. And we shall attempt to discover some of the Truths in Scripture.

Searching for the Truth.

[Axe]

Thank you for engaging. And we shall attempt to discover some of the Truths in Scripture.

Wonderful. I very much look forward to it.

What better way to invest my time.

[Axe]

Searching for the Truth.

Job 40:2 Shall he that contends with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproves God, let him answer it.

[Michael Joseph]

I suppose to each his own. I shall, in the coming days, attempt to address this issue in the Garden, going to the Hebrew and the Greek Texts. However, initially I shall point the student to Gen 5 and ask where is Cain in Eth-ha-aw-dawm's Geneology?

Furtheremore, I shall ask the reader - did Eth-ha-aw-dawm and Chavvah put fig leaves over their mouths or over their groin? And, why in the world - would their be any mention of the womans conception? Yet, i will not just go to the KJV, I will go to the text that that version is based upon and let us decide.

The claim is that the serpent's seed doctrine is false. Let us see.

I agree that all matters must be tested to see if they stand or are found wanting. So let us test this particular matter to see - if Scripture can support the Serpent Seed doctrine or not.

The canonized version asks the question - paraphasing - who shall search the Word of Truth to its depths to reveal its mysteries - Here am I. As are you.

Thank you for engaging. And we shall attempt to discover some of the Truths in Scripture.

Searching for the Truth.

For the edification of the readers find a study regarding the events that took place in the Garden of Eden from God's Word. You may find some of my opinion inserted yet, it was the intention of this Study to lets God's Word speak for itself.

The study is too large to post in text format so I apologize in advance for the use of the Adobe Acrobat digital file.

The Garden.pdf




Yehovah be blessed forever and ever.
shalom,
mj

[Frederick Burrell]

You must realize that the living God speaks to us today just as in days gone by, through many forms and guises. It is the purity of the seeker and the willingness to put aside prejudice that one comes to a true understanding of the ways of God. For in God we live move and have our being.

The law is perfect and all fall short of perfection under the law, forgiveness transmutes the law and it is through forgiveness that one enters a state of grace. This is the essence of the life and teachings. Frederick Burrell

[Frederick Burrell]

For the edification of the readers find a study regarding the events that took place in the Garden of Eden from God's Word. You may find some of my opinion inserted yet, it was the intention of this Study to lets God's Word speak for itself.

The study is too large to post in text format so I apologize in advance for the use of the Adobe Acrobat digital file.


Biblical Study of the Events that took place in the Garden of Eden



Yehovah be blessed forever and ever.
shalom,
mj

The Garden

You must understand that the garden of eve story is but the turning point of spirits journey into form. In the beginning Adam, based on his awareness after eating of the forbidden fruit, was as an animal, living in harmony with nature, having no awareness of death and not tilling the ground for sustenance. It is only after the fall "quote unquote" that he gains these awarenesses. In the natural order there is no good or bad, and now he has knowledge of this also. I am suggesting it all part of the plan. If so what is the final eventuality of this journey. I might suggest that it is the partaking of our place in the natural order of thing on a conscious level. A realization of the oneness of all life, as an expression of the divine.

Animals exist in harmony, but without choice. We have the choice of return. The conscious choice to live within the laws of the divine because we consciously recognize the path of harmony, and once again residing within the lawful order of the universe out of a realization that it is in our best interest to do the will of the divine. Conscious participation rather than one of thoughtless existence. Words are so inadequate, sorry.

Frederick Burrell.

[Michael Joseph]

Thank you Frederick Burrell: Ha Satan said if you partake of this "Tree" it shall open the eyes. Yet at a deeper level we see it closes the Spiritual eyes and opens the Physical eyes.

The Central Nervous System is the backbone of the body - It allows the Flesh man to know his world. The knowledge of Good and Evil - Tree.

The Spiritual - Bethel/Jacob; the Physical - Ai/Esau


Abram was traveling South from Shechem to Moreh. On the West was Bethel on the East was Ai.

Shechem - bending of the back
Moreh - [place of] Teaching
Bethel - house of God
Ai - A heap or waste

if you consider the direction of travel...

Bethel would be on his Right and Ai on his left. Since God is Spirit and Spirit goes to Intellect, by analogy, Bethel is on Right side of brain - Spiritual Man
Ai is on left side of brain - Fleshly Man


Yet we seek at-one-ment with the Ever Living Self Existing One. Pitching our Ark with the atonement or a-tune-ment. Recognizing the three decks [1st, 2nd, 3rd and a window at the top for the Zadokite Priest]; standing as a Hebrew - Pharoah too - with arms crossed - recognizing it is better to "fish" from the right side of the boat - crossing over as the Flesh man is controlled and the Spiritual man Controls - a true Hebrew.


Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Accepting knowledge in effort to become a Priest before the Ever Living and to pass said knowledge to my Posterity.

However, I reject that Eth-ha-aw-dawm was as an animal. There were other living flesh - races - hunters and fishermen - who went forth and took dominion. What, this one who named the domestic farming animals is now as one of them? I cannot accept that assertion. Furthermore, this is The Man that held the DNA that Messiah sprang forth from. This is the special Man whom Yehovah selected - Talk about Election - for a special purpose - Nehemiah vigorously protecting the seed line - DNA - bloodline:

Neh 13:25 And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves.

Yehovah created animals, plantlife and manking and said it was good. And on the seventh day he rested; and later he made Eth-ha-aw-dawm and put him in the Garden.

I wrote of Satan's first attack on the blood line. There will soon be a second. And I will attempt to address that attack shortly.

Shalom,
mj


P.S. I have heard the fairy tales that Eth-ha-aw-dawm ate some Mushroom - and this somehow connected He and Chavvah to their Flesh Senses. This is such trite non-sense. What of all the men and women created at Gen 1:27? These at 1:27 were without Law given by the Creator. Therefore they are all innocent. In fact, the first law was given to Eth-ha-aw-dawm and to Chavvah. Do not eat or touch the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Yep, I can remember last week talking to an Oak, a Cedar and a Dogwood - funny though they did not talk back. I suppose they lack knowledge.

Yet these other peoples know what is right and wrong by looking at nature. As we can today. And remember Yehoshua went back to the time of Noah to free the prisoners. I wonder why the time of Noah - could it be that is when the Covenant was made and laws were given to Mankind?

Satan wanted his Elect - his Seedline in the World to carry out his Plan - they call it the Great Work. And it shall not stand. Because their one world political system which preaches peace peace peace shall receive a deadly wound to its head - but before that "who shall make war with the beast" - how can one make war with a global political/governmental system that is unified in its effort to obtain peace? Yet, that deadly wound will occur and all out war will ensue. Yet the battle will be set in array; they shall gather around the City - Jerusalem; yet, then, He shall come in Peace and Flattery to seduce even the Elect of Yehovah, if possible.


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I am for peace; yet it is a means to an end. And why do I need to be confederate with another to achieve peace - what of, oppress no one?


I also reject the notion that the Garden is a turning point of Spirits into form. Clearly Scripture indicates that Eth-ha-aw-dawm was fashioned from the dust of the ground.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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So Therefore, I shall ask you to define "Spirits". To help me better "comprehend" your perspective.

[Metheist]

And we shall attempt to discover some of the Truths in Scripture.

Who is with authority to show us the truth in scripture?

[Michael Joseph]

Your question is rigged.

Authority: Comes from Yehovah
To Show: Is rigged - because it can nullify choice.

Yet, I appreciate the way you frame your question as it puts the Response in a Box. This style can be very effective in say cross-examination.

My perspective is I can know God absent a KJV - just by observing nature and by observing other men. Because, if I go to Scripture, I learn Yehovah dwells with Man's Spirit. Therefore we may edify each other Mentally [Spiritually speaking].

So "To Show" I reject. It is the responsibility of each Man[kind]. And that responsibility is a choice.

We shall attempt to discover - is a long way from Authority to Show, wouldn't you say? ROFL....i know you get what I just did.

Please however continue your thought process.

[Metheist]

Your question is rigged.

Unh-huh...

Authority: Comes from Yehovah

Is there evidence of this that will withstand the fire of cross-examination? (Ideally, Yehovah on the stand, in his own "person")

To Show: Is rigged - because it can nullify choice.

Is choice important?

Yet, I appreciate the way you frame your question as it puts the Response in a Box. This style can be very effective in say cross-examination.

My perspective is I can know God absent a KJV - just by observing nature and by observing other men. Because, if I go to Scripture, I learn Yehovah dwells with Man's Spirit. Therefore we may edify each other Mentally [Spiritually speaking].

So "To Show" I reject. It is the responsibility of each Man[kind]. And that responsibility is a choice.

We shall attempt to discover - is a long way from Authority to Show, wouldn't you say? ROFL....i know you get what I just did.

Please however continue your thought process.

My thought process is that truth discovers us. And God, if he actually wrote anything, is incompetent for allowing men to control it and use it to manipulate others through said purported writings of "God."

A Control Freak God, who will kill those who oppose him, allowing man to take the purported words of God, and kill in God's name, effectively controlling said words of God, is truly a schizophrenic God (IMO).

But, while I love the contradictions IRL, because they make the cracks easy to see, contradictions in the spirit are most egregious and offensive... ("God" forbid the cracks could be seen in the constructs of religion)