The concept of representation, people, things.

[Gavilan]

I have been searching for a treatise on "representation" of people, things, etc.

It seem that you must have the ability to think in the "abstract" to comprehend that people can be represented as well as things. Michael Joseph has made excellent points that you must have a fundamental comprehension of trusts, and how trusts are derived from relationships. I think that a to understand relationships, you must also have to be able to understand that you can have a relationship through an agent, and as a principal, that agent represents you.

If you have any leads, please let me know.

[Gavilan]

Just notations on my search:
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Things That Represent Other Things

LINK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_%28arts%29

[Gavilan]

Hagar and Sarah

21Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent

http://biblehub.com/niv/galatians/4.htm

[allodial]

#1 Consider that one does not represent oneself, although one may present oneself.
#2 That to symbolize and to represent something or someone may not necessary always be the same.
#3 The etymology of words can be very insightful.



#4 Consider, despite the push not to, to represent someone who is not present being to "make them present" or to "bring them to mind by description".
#5 Then there is the idea of a certificate of title or a drawing or a word or sound being mistaken for the thing itself--the map being mistaken or taken for the territory.

Unabridged dictionaries and etymological references can be very handy and informative.

Related:
Etymology Online - http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?...search=present

[Gavilan]

#1 Consider that one does not represent oneself, although one may present oneself.

Exactly! And that's the games the wordsmiths of the legal society play on people. Like the cliche, "putting the cart before the horse". They have the man represent the person (NAME). So, wouldn't it be an oxymoron to say, "are you representing yourself?"

[allodial]

Exactly! And that's the games the wordsmiths of the legal society play on people. Like the cliche, "putting the cart before the horse". They have the man represent the person (NAME). So, wouldn't it be an oxymoron to say, "are you representing yourself?"

On the surface that quote has a 'cheeky meaning' but further investigation will show that someone who thinks they are representing themselves might be some inept with regard to the subject matter. Also it might be worth considering what they mean by "self" or generally what is a 'self'. Self is somewhat close to 'serf' or even 'slave'.

[David Merrill]

I might "present" myself with an initial 1040 Form - my first ever. Then, subsequently I re-appear, re-presenting myself as my own informant/IRS agent?

I agree with the premise above though. But representing as presenting a second time...

A mammal "presents" herself by a certain posture. Representing could mean presenting to the same male a second time, as a second witness this might be constructing jurisdiction as an appearance?

It might just be that I love mulling things over far too long!

[allodial]

I might "present" myself with an initial 1040 Form - my first ever. Then, subsequently I re-appear, re-presenting myself as my own informant/IRS agent?

I agree with the premise above though. But representing as presenting a second time...

A mammal "presents" herself by a certain posture. Representing could mean presenting to the same male a second time, as a second witness this might be constructing jurisdiction as an appearance?

It might just be that I love mulling things over far too long!

The word terniary is related to the Latin (?) word terni which refers to thrice or three-by-three--something to do with threes. Imagine: a-terni. Man, person, attorney (the third) makes three.

[xparte]

The failing to appear warrant funnies once while not representing or presenting EVIDENCE into the administrative hearing or muted portion of MY own trial or that appearance appearing to be so evident well your here aren't, you.will you be no i will be me the similar appearance is a lawful issue please excuse Me this appears to be a legal issue my business here is done . We will continue without you dam wright you will.warrants are benefit writs lottery adjournments till you not me gets kidnapped 3 clear day,s is all a adjournment is well who can ask for a adjournment a clerk a jp or you and every 3 days you keep asking for adjournment how not guilty plea was entered on your NAME the judge has re venued re presented or presented you as dead a paper warrant hardly when is the last time any one seen a endorsed warrant now oathless bench witch warrant that's not a adjournment a bench warrant is breech adjournment of contract.If you is found guilty without you being present the warrant is issued for the body ME to re present my conviction presented for employee benefits comes with the job 4th july pic or late night nic.I got a 6 month adjournment on a probation order i refuse to re present me or present me as i might be appearing or surrendering to title.I was picked up true name me on traffic issues and after being arrested and printed a trick to establish a criminal identification of you presenting your prints as further evidence of what how my fingers can make a difference in self conviction.dust the car for prints and nothing its you saying i drive with gloves on the same ones we took of to get the criminals prints.They need a DL if its not in the wallet the prints is how you've understood.Sign for your prints my favorite got any red ink. so you need to sign a promise to appear as you been identified or your identifying with that NAME. I said once i sign this its my release yes well the CITY has a warrant for your arrest after i sign that how are you planning on forcing me to stay arrested and how is it i would be in a federal building wanting arrest when im free to go i sign it they lock the door.My chaperone has no paper work its in the car bring it in he cant its a night in the bucket and a promise to appear the order and adjournments .r4c dont leave home without it. PRESENTS REPRESENTS offers legal identification.

[xparte]

Within two monetary systems you is debt Me is gift tithing tribute Gods money is debt free.or start demanding the system that's designed for me. HOW AL becomes the taxpayer words like [him] DA always asks do you recognize HIM is that HIM are you not him. But your here aren't you. FARGIN BASTAGES.

The following statement is made without prejudice to the rights of the above-mentioned taxpayer in any proceedings that may be instituted against him. The facts stated are upon information and belief only.

The taxpayer is now 31 years old, and has continuously lived with his wife since his marriage in 1917. He has one child, a son, now nearly 12 years old. Since 1922 he has been the principal support of his widowed mother and his sister and brother, now 19 and 21 years of age, respectively.

Prior to the latter part of the year 1926 he was employed at a salary which at no time exceeded $75 per week. During the years 1926 to 1929, inclusive, he was the recipient of considerable sums of money, title to which vested in him by right of possession only.

Taxpayer became active as a principal with three associates at about the end of the year 1926. Because of the fact that he had no capital to invest in their various undertakings, his participation during the entire year 1926 and the greater part of 1927 was limited. During the years 1928 and 1929 the profits of the organization of which he was a member were divided as follows: one-third to a group of regular employees and one-sixth each to the taxpayer and three associates.

The, taxpayer was at no time the banker for the organization, nor did he, ever actively participate in the conduct of its individual enterprises.

The only attorneys employed by the taxpayer personally during this period were Nash & Ahern, Ben Epstein and Capt. Billy Waugh, all of Chicago, Ill. The so-called bodyguards with which he is reputed to surround himself on the occasion of infrequent appearances in public, were not, as a general rule, his personal employees, but were, in fact, employees of the organization which participated in its profits. Several of these employees stopped at the same hotel with the ,[taxpayer] while he was in Chicago.

That a large force of bodyguards did not continually surround him is established by the fact that on the occasion of his arrest at Philadelphia in 1929 only one companion was with him.

The furniture in the home occupied by the taxpayer while he was in Florida was acquired at a cost not in excess of $20,000. The house and grounds have been thoroughly appraised and the appraisal has been heretofore submitted to you.

There is a mortgage against the house and grounds of $30,000. His indebtedness to his associates has rarely ever been less than $75,000 since 1927. It has frequently been much more.

Notwithstanding that two of the taxpayer's associates from whom,I have sought information with respect to the taxpayer's income insist that his yearly income never exceeded $50,000 in anyone year, I am of the opinion that his taxable income for the years 1925 and 1926 might fairly be fixed at not to exceed $26,000 and $40,000 respectively and for the years 1928 and 1929 not to exceed $100,000 per year. THAT internal market place exchange 10/40 form has a hebrew king for 40 years exemption saul david solomon. demanding a tenth ave freezeout.keep 40 years earnings for a fraction tithing SAM. lawful funnies.

[Gavilan]

I am not having much success with finding research into representation and abstract thinking, but there is more information ready available regarding symbolism. This is a very interesting paper:

http://www.vonsteuben.org/ourpages/auto/2015/9/19/47251608/Symbol%20The%20Basic%20Element%20of%20Culture.pdf

http://marxist-theory-of-art.blogspot.com/2010/10/symbolic-representation-part-2-animals.html

[David Merrill]

That brings to mind the basis of the entire guilt trip, building the Gospel of Pragmatism. Abraham and Sarah were half-siblings. Additionally Abraham allowed Sarah to banish Hagar in negligent homicide, resulting in Ishmael surviving to father a more genetically sound bloodline as twelve Arabic nations.

These may be treated as historical but I prefer the symbology.

[george]

hi Gavilan

I am not having much success with finding research into representation and abstract thinking, but there is more information ready available regarding symbolism. This is a very interesting paper:

http://www.vonsteuben.org/ourpages/auto/2015/9/19/47251608/Symbol%20The%20Basic%20Element%20of%20Culture.pdf

http://marxist-theory-of-art.blogspo...2-animals.html

getting "page not found" from the first link.

from the second link youve posted:

Lacking the advantage of intense intervention from a symbol-using species, our own ancestors had to make the leap to using symbols for themselves. It was probably an uneven process, with flashes of symbol use emerging and dying here and there before it finally became a universal human trait. How it might have arisen is the subject of our next post.

we were just discussing this on Davids latest thread:

In the writings of Israel the ability to read is from one of the Fallen Angels, Semjaza and his followers brought things to man like forging iron, currency etc. Semjaza is better known as Lucifer - who got his start in the Book of Enoch.

but somehow, from following your links ive ended up snipe hunting LOL! or is it snark hunting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snark_%28Lewis_Carroll%29

Im keen to find out what Lewis Carroll was on about with this!


thanks

[Gavilan]

Hello, george!

Been tied up with some heavy reading. Here is a link to a phenomenal site that has given me even more to leads:

http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/sitemap.html

http://www.mindserpent.com

Wish you are well and enjoying life.

[george]

Hello, george!

Been tied up with some heavy reading. Here is a link to a phenomenal site that has given me even more to leads:

http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/sitemap.html

http://www.mindserpent.com

Wish you are well and enjoying life.

thanks for your well wishes and i express the same to you and yours!

wow! that URL looked familiar but it wasnt unless there has been a lot of changes to the site. that is a whole library of some really interesting books and stuff. I started at the beginning before seeing all that, it would take a lifetime to digest at my reading pace.

from the begging it starts off in agreement with the "out of africa" theory which i dont subscribe to but hey, its all hearsay anyway so I wont let that common subscription stop me from reading more from there.

thanks for posting that.

edit: wow! someone has really put some time and effort into that site Gavlin! I'll be spending some hours there for sure.